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steveofbradenton
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 11, 2015 14:59:41 GMT -5
If we are targeting young starters with lots of team control, why not Julio Teheran. It is quite amazing that he has had 3 full seasons in the majors already. For some reason there had been some rumors at the trade deadline in July of Atlanta maybe considering moving him. He is not yet 25 and is signed to a nice extension thru 2020.
Atlanta needs everything at this time, so maybe we could put together something that would appeal to the Braves for this young stud. He definitely regressed some this year as his consistency and stats went the wrong way, but he still has some nice figures. In 201 innings he gave up 189 hits and had 171 K's. His walks increased by 22 in 20 less innings and he gave up 27 bombs (5 more than the year before). Teheran was outstanding in 2013 and 2014, and I could see him roaring back next season.
Trade: Miley, Sandoval, Owens, and Chavis for Teheran and a prospect like Max Fried.
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Post by shane on Oct 11, 2015 16:24:38 GMT -5
If we are targeting young starters with lots of team control, why not Julio Teheran. It is quite amazing that he has had 3 full seasons in the majors already. For some reason there had been some rumors at the trade deadline in July of Atlanta maybe considering moving him. He is not yet 25 and is signed to a nice extension thru 2020. Atlanta needs everything at this time, so maybe we could put together something that would appeal to the Braves for this young stud. He definitely regressed some this year as his consistency and stats went the wrong way, but he still has some nice figures. In 201 innings he gave up 189 hits and had 171 K's. His walks increased by 22 in 20 less innings and he gave up 27 bombs (5 more than the year before). Teheran was outstanding in 2013 and 2014, and I could see him roaring back next season. Trade: Miley, Sandoval, Owens, and Chavis for Teheran and a prospect like Max Fried. I like Teheran, but don't see him as an ace. Last year, though his ERA was 2.89, his SIERA was 3.68, significantly higher. This can be credited to a BABIP of only .265. His swinging strike rate (10.8% this year) is good, but not incredible, ranking him 22nd in baseball. His Z-Cont% (percentage of times contact was made when the ball was thrown in the zone), was also top 20 in baseball. He doesn't strike a lot of guys out (20.3 K%), but maybe that will change since he misses a decent number of bats. Last year he had the 6th highest FB% in all of baseball (43.8%). This year, he went down all the way to 36.2%. This can be attributed to his HR/FB increasing drastically, from 8.1% last year to 13.0% this year. Additionally, his BB% went all the way from 5.8% to 8.7%, going from a pretty decent number to one that was tenth worst in baseball. However, he is young and has a great contract, but I see his ceiling to be about a 3.50 ERA guy, pretty good, but not worth mortgaging the farm over. If they could get him without giving up any really solid pieces, I'd do it.
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Post by pokeefe363 on Oct 11, 2015 17:22:25 GMT -5
Love the idea of Teheran. I doubt though that the Braves would go for the deal you proposed unless we are eating a lot of salary. Sandoval doesn't seem like a fit for them either way.
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steveofbradenton
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 11, 2015 17:38:24 GMT -5
If we are targeting young starters with lots of team control, why not Julio Teheran. It is quite amazing that he has had 3 full seasons in the majors already. For some reason there had been some rumors at the trade deadline in July of Atlanta maybe considering moving him. He is not yet 25 and is signed to a nice extension thru 2020. Atlanta needs everything at this time, so maybe we could put together something that would appeal to the Braves for this young stud. He definitely regressed some this year as his consistency and stats went the wrong way, but he still has some nice figures. In 201 innings he gave up 189 hits and had 171 K's. His walks increased by 22 in 20 less innings and he gave up 27 bombs (5 more than the year before). Teheran was outstanding in 2013 and 2014, and I could see him roaring back next season. Trade: Miley, Sandoval, Owens, and Chavis for Teheran and a prospect like Max Fried. I like Teheran, but don't see him as an ace. Last year, though his ERA was 2.89, his SIERA was 3.68, significantly higher. This can be credited to a BABIP of only .265. His swinging strike rate (10.8% this year) is good, but not incredible, ranking him 22nd in baseball. His Z-Cont% (percentage of times contact was made when the ball was thrown in the zone), was also top 20 in baseball. He doesn't strike a lot of guys out (20.3 K%), but maybe that will change since he misses a decent number of bats. Last year he had the 6th highest FB% in all of baseball (43.8%). This year, he went down all the way to 36.2%. This can be attributed to his HR/FB increasing drastically, from 8.1% last year to 13.0% this year. Additionally, his BB% went all the way from 5.8% to 8.7%, going from a pretty decent number to one that was tenth worst in baseball. However, he is young and has a great contract, but I see his ceiling to be about a 3.50 ERA guy, pretty good, but not worth mortgaging the farm over. If they could get him without giving up any really solid pieces, I'd do it. Some how I'm not getting the message across that I'm not trying to trade for an ace. I'm trying to upgrade the staff period by looking for upside that is young and affordable.
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Post by blizzards39 on Oct 11, 2015 17:44:34 GMT -5
I want nothing to do with him. Has always had bad results away from Turner Field. I got a pretty good feeling he would get chewed up in the AL east. Unless we can get a true ace, or somebody that has that potential, I think we should not overreact to trying to address the rotation. I don't think this guy has that potential.
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steveofbradenton
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 11, 2015 17:45:51 GMT -5
Love the idea of Teheran. I doubt though that the Braves would go for the deal you proposed unless we are eating a lot of salary. Sandoval doesn't seem like a fit for them either way. Olivera may or may not be their 3rd baseman. How about something really out there and include the idea of bad contract for bad contract. I think we could use a left handed bat. Nick Swisher is a switch hitter, but better from the left side. If Shaw doesn't work out, Swisher may play some 1st and a little outfield. I know.....I know.....Swisher is on the down side but he has been a solid clutch hitter and good club house presence, and does not have lots of time on his contract. Can you see how BAD I want to get rid of Hanley and Panda?
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Post by telson13 on Oct 11, 2015 20:34:19 GMT -5
Teheran would make a great #3 (because he's more like a 2), but only if the Sox could get him dealing from minor league excess and a guy like Miley, IMO. He would be a clear, but not huge, upgrade. If the Braves bit on Castillo+ salary relief, Johnson, and a prospect like Vhavis, that'd work too. They have a *lot* of holes...they might be one of the rare times a team takes two dimes and one or two nickels for a quarter.
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Post by blizzards39 on Oct 11, 2015 22:09:03 GMT -5
Teheran would make a great #3 (because he's more like a 2), but only if the Sox could get him dealing from minor league excess and a guy like Miley, IMO. He would be a clear, but not huge, upgrade. If the Braves bit on Castillo+ salary relief, Johnson, and a prospect like Vhavis, that'd work too. They have a *lot* of holes...they might be one of the rare times a team takes two dimes and one or two nickels for a quarter. Not so sure Teheran is an upgrade over Miley. Looking at FIP, xFIP, BB, K, HR in his carear and they are very similar. Last season Miley was actually quite a bit better. One would think that Teheran would have more velocity, but he doesn't. Factor in that Teheran has a fairly negative home road split and I just don't think he is better. Both are controlled for three more years. The only thing is if one believes that Teheran has not reached potential and Miley has. But unless he vastly improves, he is more of a 4/5, not a 2/3.
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Post by nomar on Oct 12, 2015 9:53:14 GMT -5
His trade value would be higher than his talent level, so he's a no go in my opinion.
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Post by dmaineah on May 17, 2016 11:00:26 GMT -5
A good target for this years trade deadline
2016 25yrs Salary $3,300,000 2017 26yrs Salary $6,300,000 2018 27yrs Salary $8,000,000 2019 28yrs Salary $11,000,000 2020 29yrs Salary *$12,000,000 ($12M Team Option, $1M Buyout) Earliest Free Agent: 2020
This is his 6th year in the league & his 162 game averages are;
30+ GS, 3.42 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, 212 IP, 182 Ks, 2.6 BB/9, 7.7 K/9, but he does give up the long ball averaging 25 per season.
Atlanta is in total rebuilding mode and its needs are many. I think they would require a strong package with some Major League ready talent for him.
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Post by jimed14 on May 17, 2016 12:25:05 GMT -5
He gives up the long ball in the NL, so how do you think he does in the AL East?
I'm not paying the price for someone who would be worse than he is now.
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Post by sibbysisti on May 17, 2016 13:19:00 GMT -5
No need for him at this point. Kelly ready to join rotation for a weekend start following a good tune up at Pawtucket. E-Rod to follow. Porcello settling in as a #2, joining Price and a surprising Wright in the rotation. Buchholz still a question mark but he's healthy and deserves a few more starts.
Fredi Gonzalez replaced as manager, so Braves may want to see how the team responds.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 18, 2016 8:11:08 GMT -5
A good target for this years trade deadline 2016 25yrs Salary $3,300,000 2017 26yrs Salary $6,300,000 2018 27yrs Salary $8,000,000 2019 28yrs Salary $11,000,000 2020 29yrs Salary *$12,000,000 ($12M Team Option, $1M Buyout) Earliest Free Agent: 2020 This is his 6th year in the league & his 162 game averages are; 30+ GS, 3.42 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, 212 IP, 182 Ks, 2.6 BB/9, 7.7 K/9, but he does give up the long ball averaging 25 per season. Atlanta is in total rebuilding mode and its needs are many. I think they would require a strong package with some Major League ready talent for him. All depends what the cost is. I have a feeling like the Braves would want another Miller like haul and I'm not coming close to paying that price. He's a good pitcher signed to a great contract and he could replace Buch long term.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 18, 2016 8:16:07 GMT -5
He gives up the long ball in the NL, so how do you think he does in the AL East? I'm not paying the price for someone who would be worse than he is now. You can say the same thing about any pitcher from NL going to AL East. He currently has the best HR rate of his career and is projected to give up 21 HR this year in 205 innings. He gave up 4 HR in first 3 starts and 1 HR in his last 5 starts. He looks to be pitching better then he ever has this year.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 18, 2016 8:26:10 GMT -5
No need for him at this point. Kelly ready to join rotation for a weekend start following a good tune up at Pawtucket. E-Rod to follow. Porcello settling in as a #2, joining Price and a surprising Wright in the rotation. Buchholz still a question mark but he's healthy and deserves a few more starts. Fredi Gonzalez replaced as manager, so Braves may want to see how the team responds. We aren't getting a starter now, but once we get to July, unless Buch turns things around, Kelly shows us something or ERod pitches like he did last year, we could use another starter. That's assuming Porcello and Wright can continue to pitch at a high level, which isn't a given as both are pitching at career high levels. When you have what looks like the Majors best offensive and an elite bullpen, you can't let the rotation keep this team from a Championship.
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Post by jdb on May 18, 2016 8:36:56 GMT -5
I don't think he's the type of pitcher I trade one of the big five chips for. I'd rather go out and get an Ervin Santana to be a solid 3 or good 4 and save Swihart for a better pitcher.
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Post by sox fan in nc on May 18, 2016 9:04:24 GMT -5
I don't think he's the type of pitcher I trade one of the big five chips for. I'd rather go out and get an Ervin Santana to be a solid 3 or good 4 and save Swihart for a better pitcher. IMO he's not Shelby Miller & would not require a haul like they got for Miller. Not sure what it would take, but I'd definitely attempt to get him. I do not sense we are deep enough @ SP as we were in April. I have no confidence in Owens/Johnson/Elias at this point. Buch will be gone after this year (if not sooner). Espinoza/Kopech are a few years away. F/A classes are thin the next 2 years. Whether it's a Santana type or Teheran, I feel we need 1 more "capable" starter.
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Post by telluricrook on May 18, 2016 9:42:02 GMT -5
No need for him at this point. Kelly ready to join rotation for a weekend start following a good tune up at Pawtucket. E-Rod to follow. Porcello settling in as a #2, joining Price and a surprising Wright in the rotation. Buchholz still a question mark but he's healthy and deserves a few more starts. Fredi Gonzalez replaced as manager, so Braves may want to see how the team responds. We aren't getting a starter now, but once we get to July, unless Buch turns things around, Kelly shows us something or ERod pitches like he did last year, we could use another starter. That's assuming Porcello and Wright can continue to pitch at a high level, which isn't a given as both are pitching at career high levels. When you have what looks like the Majors best offensive and an elite bullpen, you can't let the rotation keep this team from a Championship.
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Post by telluricrook on May 18, 2016 9:43:20 GMT -5
No need for him at this point. Kelly ready to join rotation for a weekend start following a good tune up at Pawtucket. E-Rod to follow. Porcello settling in as a #2, joining Price and a surprising Wright in the rotation. Buchholz still a question mark but he's healthy and deserves a few more starts. Fredi Gonzalez replaced as manager, so Braves may want to see how the team responds. We aren't getting a starter now, but once we get to July, unless Buch turns things around, Kelly shows us something or ERod pitches like he did last year, we could use another starter. That's assuming Porcello and Wright can continue to pitch at a high level, which isn't a given as both are pitching at career high levels. When you have what looks like the Majors best offensive and an elite bullpen, you can't let the rotation keep this team from a Championship. "elite bullpen"?
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Post by jrffam05 on May 18, 2016 10:10:10 GMT -5
We aren't getting a starter now, but once we get to July, unless Buch turns things around, Kelly shows us something or ERod pitches like he did last year, we could use another starter. That's assuming Porcello and Wright can continue to pitch at a high level, which isn't a given as both are pitching at career high levels. When you have what looks like the Majors best offensive and an elite bullpen, you can't let the rotation keep this team from a Championship. "elite bullpen"? Correct
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Post by sox fan in nc on May 18, 2016 10:47:25 GMT -5
Agree....deeper than NYY. IMO maybe not as good as KC, but top 3 or 4 in MLB.
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Post by welovewally on May 18, 2016 11:51:28 GMT -5
This rotation needs help.
Michael Chavis, Marco Hernandez & let them choose 1 from Owens/Johnson/Elias
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Post by jdb on May 18, 2016 12:39:36 GMT -5
I don't think he's the type of pitcher I trade one of the big five chips for. I'd rather go out and get an Ervin Santana to be a solid 3 or good 4 and save Swihart for a better pitcher. IMO he's not Shelby Miller & would not require a haul like they got for Miller. Not sure what it would take, but I'd definitely attempt to get him. I do not sense we are deep enough @ SP as we were in April. I have no confidence in Owens/Johnson/Elias at this point. Buch will be gone after this year (if not sooner). Espinoza/Kopech are a few years away. F/A classes are thin the next 2 years. Whether it's a Santana type or Teheran, I feel we need 1 more "capable" starter. I think he and Miller are pretty similar but Teheran is locked up for an extra two seasons. The conversation starts with either Swihart or Benny then add more.
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Post by larrycook on May 18, 2016 20:29:49 GMT -5
Isn't Teheran a fly ball pitcher?
How would that work in the al east?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 18, 2016 22:56:45 GMT -5
Isn't Teheran a fly ball pitcher? How would that work in the al east? Actually he's been a ground ball pitcher the last two years.
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