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Post by jimed14 on Oct 25, 2015 9:45:19 GMT -5
Granted the 1st base coach effectively functions as a secondary equipment manager to collect the various arm,elbow, shin, etc pads. However, Amaro has no coaching experience. How often do teams appoint coaches at the major league level to a coaching position with no experience? I don't think it's that difficult. When was the last time anyone complained about a first base coach?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 25, 2015 10:24:54 GMT -5
The most anti-saber GM in the game fails spectacularly and has to take a job as a first base coach? Yeah, sure showed us... There are times when you post that I really don't know if you get my context or if I am understanding your context. The irony is not on his failure, it that statisically driven people are now saddled with the poster boy for anti-analytics on our team. Did you miss that? He may not have been a good GM, but I would hope that people realize the guy grew up in a baseball family and had 8 years career...which is probably 8 years more than the sum total of the brilliant analysts on this website. Saddled? He might as well be sitting in the corner with a dunce cap on. Rubin Amaro having to take a job as a first base coach is a victory for analytically inclined fan. And yes, he had a career as a player. Something that you'll notice is true of fewer and fewer GMs these days, because the skills it takes to play baseball are almost entirely unrelated to the skills it takes to run a baseball team.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 25, 2015 10:49:27 GMT -5
Saddled? He might as well be sitting in the corner with a dunce cap on. Rubin Amaro having to take a job as a first base coach is a victory for analytically inclined fan. And yes, he had a career as a player. Something that you'll notice is true of fewer and fewer GMs these days, because the skills it takes to play baseball are almost entirely unrelated to the skills it takes to run a baseball team. That's fine. Again....saddled is just a word....maybe poorly chosen, but the context is that him being on the team is an irritant to certain folks...which is funny to me, in a non-sadistic way. I may just lose my humor if he is as bad on the field as he was in the office.
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Post by theburn on Oct 25, 2015 11:05:33 GMT -5
So that makes three executives with GM experience that the Red Sox have hired this year.
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Post by humanbeingbean on Oct 25, 2015 13:53:33 GMT -5
Well, maybe he wants to win really badly, and would take whatever position is available to do so. That's gonna be happening here. We should cast his failures as a GM aside and hope he does a good job. Doesn't do any good to mock the guy anymore.
As others have noted, he's surrounded by players he's coveted for a while now. I think it's pretty cool that he'd take this job, whether or not it was due to there being a total lack of FO jobs available to him. I hope he establishes a good relationship with the players and gets an opportunity to start anew.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 25, 2015 14:05:35 GMT -5
...That's fine. Again....saddled is just a word....maybe poorly chosen, but the context is that him being on the team is an irritant to certain folks...which is funny to me, in a non-sadistic way. I may just lose my humor if he is as bad on the field as he was in the office. Jerry, I think that's your context, and you're welcomed to it. If you feel the perceived irritant is useful as the basis for your posts, then have at it. I like numbers as well as anyone, and I honestly didn't even think of that when I heard about his possible hiring. He overvalued his players, but I don't think statistics had much to do with it. He held onto the aging talent too long, even as the drained farm system held little hope for quick recovery. He didn't know how to sell high. Admittedly that's difficult, but it's not something he's going to have to worry about for a while, certainly not if the Sox hire him as a coach
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Post by notguilty on Oct 25, 2015 14:08:07 GMT -5
I for one don't like this hire, or perhaps more precisely, what it may mean. I generally don't like giving views on people getting fired or anything like that. Everybody is trying to make a living.
The thing I don't like about this is just the circus potential. Anything that detracts from this team focusing on winning games, to me is a problem. There's an "all eyes on Ruben" potential for distraction here that this team could do without.
Not the end of the world. Just not a step in the right direction IMO.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 25, 2015 17:35:06 GMT -5
There has to be someone in the Red Sox organization who could benefit from big league experience over a retread like Amaro, right? If I were Hazen or Farrell I would be wary about guys like Wren or Amaro going behind my back to talk with DD.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 25, 2015 17:49:17 GMT -5
The guy is 50 years old, so I'm not sure that "retread" is all that appropriate.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 25, 2015 18:53:29 GMT -5
What would everyone's reaction be if this was Bobby V and not RAJ?
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 25, 2015 19:08:08 GMT -5
What would everyone's reaction be if this was Bobby V and not RAJ? Genocide?
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Post by klostrophobic on Oct 25, 2015 21:26:27 GMT -5
How many runs a season do you saber (sic) guys think a first-base coach can influence over the course of the season? Do you think the Red Sox found the next moneyball—exploiting—inefficiency a la catcher framing from the last couple years? I don't care what you saber guys say, I'm very excited to have a former baseball player (you saber guys haven't played at the MLB level, fwiw) and GM who was part of a World Series organization part of the fold, holding a stopwatch at first to let David Ortiz know if he should steal or not.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 26, 2015 6:29:27 GMT -5
How many runs a season do you saber (sic) guys think a first-base coach can influence over the course of the season? Do you think the Red Sox found the next moneyball—exploiting—inefficiency a la catcher framing from the last couple years? I don't care what you saber guys say, I'm very excited to have a former baseball player (you saber guys haven't played at the MLB level, fwiw) and GM who was part of a World Series organization part of the fold, holding a stopwatch at first to let David Ortiz know if he should steal or not. There are also former baseball players who are saber guys. I really don't know what your point is about that. Is your argument that Amaro was a better GM than Billy Beane because he played in the majors? I hit a double off Mike Mussina in high school. Does that mean I know more about baseball than you? Sounds like a ridiculous appeal to authority to me. First base coaches probably don't make any game decisions of note. They collect all the body armor and gloves and yell "balk!" to make the ump call it. Maybe he can prevent a few hidden ball tricks from working too. The batters typically decide on their own if they're going to stretch a single into a double. The main thing a 1B coach needs to do is either work with the outfielders or infielders in practice. I assume Amaro would work with outfielders because he was one.
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Post by jmei on Oct 26, 2015 7:44:19 GMT -5
How many runs a season do you saber (sic) guys think a first-base coach can influence over the course of the season? Do you think the Red Sox found the next moneyball—exploiting—inefficiency a la catcher framing from the last couple years? I don't care what you saber guys say, I'm very excited to have a former baseball player (you saber guys haven't played at the MLB level, fwiw) and GM who was part of a World Series organization part of the fold, holding a stopwatch at first to let David Ortiz know if he should steal or not. There are also former baseball players who are saber guys. I really don't know what your point is about that. Is your argument that Amaro was a better GM than Billy Beane because he played in the majors? I hit a double off Mike Mussina in high school. Does that mean I know more about baseball than you? Sounds like a ridiculous appeal to authority to me. First base coaches probably don't make any game decisions of note. They collect all the body armor and gloves and yell "balk!" to make the ump call it. Maybe he can prevent a few hidden ball tricks from working too. The batters typically decide on their own if they're going to stretch a single into a double. The main thing a 1B coach needs to do is either work with the outfielders or infielders in practice. I assume Amaro would work with outfielders because he was one. You are bad at sarcasm.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 26, 2015 7:54:47 GMT -5
We need to think big picture here, everyone. The downside of being a bad first base coach is what? Like, I'm not sure we'd even notice, right? But the upside of Amaro redeeming himself as a good field coach is that Philly fans everywhere are apoplectic. And isn't that what matters most?
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Post by jrffam05 on Oct 26, 2015 9:15:45 GMT -5
Like most of you, I laughed at first when I heard this. There is just too much irony. But as much as I dislike RAJ as a GM (so much that it made me not like him as a person), I won't call this a bad move off the bat. Maybe the experience he had in the FO gives him an advantage in the clubhouse, and he can help bring a big picture message to the team. The cons are obviously his recent track record as a GM and his lack of experience managing. I also think a guy at the top of an organization often loses sight of the details, which may not translate well to coaching.
Absolutely shocking that Cafardo broke the news on this. I wonder who his source is? After being his mouthpiece for a while, I hope this doesn't turn into RAJ feeding Cafardo BS from the club house that gets over exaggerated.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 26, 2015 9:39:40 GMT -5
P.S. - In commemoration of Ruben Amaro joining the Red Sox and pigs everywhere flying, I am now Heisenberg, Walt or simply "the Chemist." Just to confirm, you're django, yes? FWIW, we're not big fans here of posters changing their handles without contacting staff first and having a reason, although it's not like you've been tricky about it or anything, so you're fine. Going forward, we'll probably add something to that effect to the Ground Rules. EDIT: I also wanted to make clear that django was not banned, which might be a misconception some may have based on that user's account being deleted.
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Post by soxfanatic on Oct 26, 2015 9:52:23 GMT -5
Pete Abraham @peteabe 3 min. #RedSox officially name Ruben Amaro Jr. as 1B coach. Officially confirms @nickcafardo report from Saturday.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 26, 2015 9:54:27 GMT -5
Sean McAdam @sean_McAdam 8s9 seconds ago Red Sox make it official: Ruben Amaro Jr. names first base coach, OF instructor
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 26, 2015 9:56:31 GMT -5
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Post by trotnixonforever on Oct 26, 2015 9:58:17 GMT -5
Granted the 1st base coach effectively functions as a secondary equipment manager to collect the various arm,elbow, shin, etc pads. However, Amaro has no coaching experience. How often do teams appoint coaches at the major league level to a coaching position with no experience? Teams hire managers with no coaching and management experience all the time. Not saying that's smart, but it's been happening a lot recently. So hiring a 1B coach with no coaching experience doesn't seem to be a stretch from industry practices. I'd rather the Sox hire someone else for the job because of the side show distraction, but I don't think he can do as much harm as hiring Wren to be in the FO so this seems to be the least of our worries.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 26, 2015 11:36:10 GMT -5
Who knew the name Rueben Amaro Jr would bring such proclivous levity?
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Post by sox fan in nc on Oct 26, 2015 13:36:49 GMT -5
Like most folks here, I don't think this is going to be good or bad either way. I do wonder what exactly he can offer to be a competent "outfield/baserunning COORDINATOR" which would be his main job. I also feel for the guys down in Pawtucket/Portland busting their you-know-what's to simply get a shot at a position like this. Gedman, McMillan, ect.....It seems like they are putting in their time with the bus rides, ect.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 26, 2015 13:50:53 GMT -5
"Coordinator" is just another word for coach, FYI. For example, the traveling position coaches in the development program are called "infield coordinator," "catching coordinator," "pitching coordinator," "outfield and baserunning coordinator," "hitting coordinator" and so forth when that really means "traveling _______ coach." There really isn't much "coordinating" that goes on in those positions in the sense you'd think of it in the day-to-day usage of that word.
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Post by soxfanatic on Oct 26, 2015 14:02:16 GMT -5
What also shouldn't be lost here is the fact that Amaro speaks Spanish fluently. That can only help when he's teaching Rusney.
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