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Gordon Edes leaving ESPN to be Red Sox historian
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 10, 2015 13:26:55 GMT -5
Pete Abraham @peteabe 2m2 minutes ago Fenway Sports Group announces it has hired @gordonedes as the #RedSox historian. He leaves ESPN for the job. Congrats to Gordon.
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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 10, 2015 13:35:27 GMT -5
Glad for him. I missed him when he left the Globe and was replaced by Cafardo. Not sure how big a job " Red Sox Historian" is, but I'm sure Gordon will do it well.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Nov 10, 2015 14:04:39 GMT -5
Sounds like a cool job ... he'll probably get to write a lot of long-form stuff, which is always better than churning out blog posts. Good for him, although he's one of the better daily reads now.
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Post by radiohix on Nov 10, 2015 18:01:03 GMT -5
Happy for the guy. But just curious: Wasn't he behind the collaboration between Soxprospects.com and ESPN Boston?
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Post by nomar on Nov 10, 2015 19:23:50 GMT -5
Well deserved. Congrats Gordon
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Post by TearsIn04 on Nov 10, 2015 20:18:04 GMT -5
Dick Bresciani received a lot of credit for bombarding HOF voters with stats and information on Jim Rice. Gordo's first assignment should be to run the "Tiant for HOF" campaign.
Let's hope John Henry complements this good hiring with a GREAT firing.
Globe sports editor: "Umm, Dan, you need to go to HR right away. We have someone to escort you there."
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Post by burythehammer on Nov 10, 2015 20:26:15 GMT -5
I don't know him personally but Gordon is one of the few local media members that's both a respectable journalist and comes off as a genuinely good guy. Best of luck to him.
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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 10, 2015 20:26:35 GMT -5
Dick Bresciani received a lot of credit for bombarding HOF voters with stats and information on Jim Rice. Gordo's first assignment should be to run the "Tiant for HOF" campaign. Let's hope John Henry complements this good hiring with a GREAT firing. Globe sports editor: "Umm, Dan, you need to go to HR right away. We have someone to escort you there." O'Shaughnessy takes a contrarian view on many Boston sports issues, but his opinions are well thought out and insightful. I don't always agree with him but his columns always generate interest and participation on both sides. His book, with Terry Francona, is required reading for those who seek the truth in Terry's unfortunate departure from the Red Sox. He's not a company man nor a suck up which I find refreshing. Edit: Don't get your hopes up. It isn't happening.
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 11, 2015 0:45:04 GMT -5
Gordon's simply point-blank the second best thing to happen to regular Red Sox coverage in this city after Gammons. Always fair, always open-minded, always thoughtful, and always informed. Congratulations to him, and he'll do a great job as Sox historian. Dick Bresciani received a lot of credit for bombarding HOF voters with stats and information on Jim Rice. Gordo's first assignment should be to run the "Tiant for HOF" campaign. Let's hope John Henry complements this good hiring with a GREAT firing. Globe sports editor: "Umm, Dan, you need to go to HR right away. We have someone to escort you there." O'Shaughnessy takes a contrarian view on many Boston sports issues, but his opinions are well thought out and insightful. I don't always agree with him but his columns always generate interest and participation on both sides. His book, with Terry Francona, is required reading for those who seek the truth in Terry's unfortunate departure from the Red Sox. He's not a company man nor a suck up which I find refreshing. Edit: Don't get your hopes up. It isn't happening. I've been reading Shaughnessy since he began, and, no his opinions on baseball aren't thought about at all, let alone well thought out. I cannot recall myself ever thinking that his opinion on a non-obvious topic was correct, let alone insightful. This is a guy who wrote a devastating negative take on Dwight Evans' HOF worthiness, the argument entirely consisting of his having a lower batting average than Roberto Clemente. (Fun fact for a traditional stat guy like him: Dewey had more career R + RBI than Clemente while having made fewer outs.) The guy who was dismissive of converting Tom Gordon to closer and who reportedly dismissed the Ortiz signing in '03 because he was "a sack of s***." The guy who passionately believed that starting Pete Schourek and Pedro Martinez, both on regular rest, was the wrong idea when the Sox were down 3-1, because "you had to win game 4 in order to play game 5," and Pedro on short rest was better than Schourek on his regular turn. Seriously, the guy could not reason his way free of Kleenex handcuffs. Having said that, he's a terrific writer who always does a great job capturing the POV of the average fan after a thrilling victory or tough defeat, when a beloved athlete retires or returns to town -- all of that stuff. When something momentous in Boston sports happens, I'm always eager to read his piece, and I'm rarely let down. Even though The Globe sometimes start those great pieces on Page 1, I don't think they really know how to use him. I mean, Criminy, they sent Cafardo to cover Pedro's HOF induction. He's also willing to listen to arguments. I e-mail him every so often and we have a courteous relationship. I respect the guy. I just wish his editors realized his strengths: the fan-POV stuff for all of Boston sports, the occasional controversial piece to sell papers (unavoidable if distasteful), but, for God's sake, keep him away from attempts at educating or informing the readership about baseball. Speaking of which, the guy who is very literally an embarrassment to both his profession and his employer, and has done nothing to earn continued employment, is Nick Cafardo. I don't think I need to go into details. And I see his wretched work ethic rubbing off on Pete Abraham, who began as a solid writer and has now begun aping Nick's habit of saying things that can be pretty much disproven by spending five minutes at FanGraphs or b-Ref, or, worse yet, looking at the Red Sox roster.
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Post by mgoetze on Nov 11, 2015 7:42:08 GMT -5
Gordon's simply point-blank the second best thing to happen to regular Red Sox coverage in this city after Gammons. Always fair, always open-minded, always thoughtful, and always informed. Speier ranks higher on that list for me. Anyway, great times for the worldwide leader in sports that also recently killed Grantland. Now I just need Mike Reiss to find a new home.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 11, 2015 9:07:59 GMT -5
Happy for the guy. But just curious: Wasn't he behind the collaboration between Soxprospects.com and ESPN Boston? Honestly, was more Gammons who got that ball rolling, although Gordon was a great help in putting that in place (although we didn't deal with him directly very much at all). FWIW, we ended that relationship after the 2014 season.Derp, see below. I suck. Like I said on Twitter though, huge Gordon fan, both in print and in person.
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Post by Mike Andrews on Nov 11, 2015 9:31:25 GMT -5
Sorry to correct you Chris but Gammons had nothing to do with the ESPN relationship. It was 100% Edes.
Talks with Gammons were years earlier, before ESPN Boston was a thing.
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Post by jmei on Nov 11, 2015 9:32:50 GMT -5
Take a lap, Hatfield.
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 11, 2015 11:38:35 GMT -5
Gordon's simply point-blank the second best thing to happen to regular Red Sox coverage in this city after Gammons. Always fair, always open-minded, always thoughtful, and always informed. Speier ranks higher on that list for me. Anyway, great times for the worldwide leader in sports that also recently killed Grantland. Now I just need Mike Reiss to find a new home. Alex is great. Is there anyone else? Those three seem to stand apart from the pack. For me, a key thing here is that Speier is a product of the new age of baseball info. Edes is a guy who started in the days of traditional stats but always kept himself up to speed with the latest thinking. Speier may be, right now, an even better source for insightful analysis, but given the length of Edes' career and his prominence at the Globe and then ESPN, he seems to me to have been the bigger deal.
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Post by nomar on Nov 11, 2015 11:42:35 GMT -5
At the rate Speier is going, he could have a front office job for an MLB team eventually.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 11, 2015 12:15:43 GMT -5
Speier ranks higher on that list for me. Anyway, great times for the worldwide leader in sports that also recently killed Grantland. Now I just need Mike Reiss to find a new home. Alex is great. Is there anyone else? Those three seem to stand apart from the pack. For me, a key thing here is that Speier is a product of the new age of baseball info. Edes is a guy who started in the days of traditional stats but always kept himself up to speed with the latest thinking. Speier may be, right now, an even better source for insightful analysis, but given the length of Edes' career and his prominence at the Globe and then ESPN, he seems to me to have been the bigger deal. If we're talking good Sox beat writers, both Brian MacPherson and Tim Britton of the ProJo are very good. Sean McAdam (can we get him away from CSNNE? I hate their website) and Rob Bradford have always been pretty solid. And disagree if you want, I think Peter Abraham, after a bit of a rocky start fueled in large part by his need to respond to every mouth breather on Twitter, has settled in to being a good beat writer. Also, while it was good for her, it was too bad for readers that Maureen Mullen got the editor's desk at the Lynn Item, as she was breaking into that tier too. Not just saying this because she's also a woman, but Jen McCaffrey (Springfield Republican/Masslive.com) also is trending upward for me like Mullen was. Beyond that, I think it's more "meh" than horrible, save for a couple of exceptions. There are obviously the well-known guys, but there are a couple newer ones that aren't good. I can think of one who strikes me as not even knowing very much about the game of baseball every time he writes.
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Post by jrffam05 on Nov 11, 2015 12:26:31 GMT -5
Alex is great. Is there anyone else? Those three seem to stand apart from the pack. I like the Projo duo of Britton and Macpherson. They're a pretty good bang for their buck Congrats to Gordo
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Post by radiohix on Nov 11, 2015 13:36:37 GMT -5
- Edes revealing that the Red Sox offered SEA JBJ for Farquahar and SEA declined the offer. - Ben tell the media that the report is inaccurate - Edes say that his source is very reliable and that there was a Sox offer on the table. - After Ben's resignation, the Red Sox hire Edes. Hmmm...Coincidence? Yes, I'm bored. PS: We need a podcast with one (or both) of the guys at the projo as guests. Make it happen Hatfield!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 11, 2015 13:53:21 GMT -5
What would you like the ProJo guys to talk about?
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Post by radiohix on Nov 11, 2015 18:11:15 GMT -5
I'm interested in their evaluation of the arms in Pawtucket: Some guys like Light, Escobar (what went wrong with him in 2015?). Also the bats there: Cecchini, Shaw (how was he in LF?), Coyle & Brentz (is their spot in the 40 men roster in jeopardy?) They know the system quit a bit, so I'm sure the conversation can be pretty extensive and interesting.
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Post by okin15 on Nov 13, 2015 17:34:40 GMT -5
I ripped Gordo when he started at ESPNBoston, but he soon returned to form as an informative reporter. Even before that, he always told a great story, and has clearly had an influence on reporters like Mike Reiss becoming more writers and story-tellers. Seems like a nice guy, and was smart enough to get this site on board when he needed help in the prospect area. Congrats to him and good luck. Should be a great history.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 13, 2015 18:42:24 GMT -5
I'm interested in their evaluation of the arms in Pawtucket: Some guys like Light, Escobar (what went wrong with him in 2015?). Also the bats there: Cecchini, Shaw (how was he in LF?), Coyle & Brentz (is their spot in the 40 men roster in jeopardy?) They know the system quit a bit, so I'm sure the conversation can be pretty extensive and interesting. Ah, I was wondering if that's where you were going with this. I don't believe they cover Pawtucket with any regularity, although I could be mistaken. Their job is to cover Boston. They certainly get to McCoy sometimes, but I'd venture that our guys (Ian, Chaz, Matt, and even Nick in PA) have seen the PawSox much more combined than Tim or Brian did this year.
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Post by radiohix on Nov 13, 2015 22:15:11 GMT -5
I think you're mistaken, they covered them pretty extensively this year (just ask them). They also have an extensive access to the coaching staff, players and the FO, something that our guys (that I respect and love reading) don't have or at least have but to a lesser extent. And Tim is a pretty funny guy on the top of being smart. They'll give a different flavor to the podcast, I think.
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