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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 9, 2015 15:19:01 GMT -5
It's kind of remarkable the team is close to being below the LT level, after giving $31M to Price, and obtaining Kimbrel, Smith and Elias, while moving only 1 ML roster piece in Miley. There's no reason to not pursue being below the LT value now. As Hanley, Panda and Buchholz gain value in the first half of the year, I can see one moved to bring the payroll below the LT line. If so, and they compete as we expect, and I will have to concede that DDo is an alien, from a higher life form; far more intelligent than mere mortals. There's huge reasons not to pursue being under the luxury tax right now. 1. They want to compete and they're at 210ish million. That's not close to 189. 2. They'll add at the deadline if they're competitive and be over anyway. 3. It goes up next year and they have money coming off the books.
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Post by radiohix on Dec 9, 2015 15:19:41 GMT -5
My dream scenario would be a Reddick for Castillo trade: He brings a lefty bat to a righty heavy lineup, Canon arm, spiderman like defense, he's homegrown and here for a year so there's a chance for a QA and a draft pick I also think Benintendi will be ready by season end and even if he needs say 150-200 AAA plate appearances in 2017, Chris Young can do that and be a stop gap without hurting the team.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 9, 2015 15:24:51 GMT -5
My dream scenario would be a Reddick for Castillo trade: He brings a lefty bat to a righty heavy lineup, Canon arm, spiderman like defense, he's homegrown and here for a year so there's a chance for a QA and a draft pick I also think Benintendi will be ready by season end and even if he needs say 150-200 AAA plate appearances in 2017, Chris Young can do that and be a stop gap without hurting the team. That trade works if they add Devers and 35 million to Castillo. Otherwise it's just Beane trading one of his beloved players he's said he's not trading for a fundamentally poor (offensively) turd of an OF on a big contract.
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Post by kman22 on Dec 9, 2015 15:28:04 GMT -5
My dream scenario would be a Reddick for Castillo trade: He brings a lefty bat to a righty heavy lineup, Canon arm, spiderman like defense, he's homegrown and here for a year so there's a chance for a QA and a draft pick I also think Benintendi will be ready by season end and even if he needs say 150-200 AAA plate appearances in 2017, Chris Young can do that and be a stop gap without hurting the team. That's your dream scenario. You need to dream bigger.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 9, 2015 15:31:53 GMT -5
There are still four big-money free agent corner outfielders out there (Heyward, Upton, Cespedes, Gordon), and I'm starting to wonder whether all of them are going to find a big payday. How many teams really have the ability to pay $80m+ for one of those guys? If one of them loses the game of musical chairs and ends up having to take much less than we all predicted (my money is on Upton or Cespedes), I think there's a chance that the Red Sox get involved. They'd probably have to move at least some salary (read: Castillo) to do so, though. I suppose that is possible, but if that does happen, I think there would be a bunch of teams saying 'hey, we might be able to afford this guy.' And then we'd have to compete with those teams. I have a hard time believing that we'd try hard enough to get any of them. And you also don't want to be in the position where you have to trade Castillo.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Dec 9, 2015 15:40:00 GMT -5
At this point, would anyone even want Castillo? I honestly doubt it. Better and more proven options are available via FA.
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Post by radiohix on Dec 9, 2015 15:41:03 GMT -5
My dream scenario would be a Reddick for Castillo trade: He brings a lefty bat to a righty heavy lineup, Canon arm, spiderman like defense, he's homegrown and here for a year so there's a chance for a QA and a draft pick I also think Benintendi will be ready by season end and even if he needs say 150-200 AAA plate appearances in 2017, Chris Young can do that and be a stop gap without hurting the team. That's your dream scenario. You need to dream bigger. I dreamed for years that Monica Bellucci will be knocking on my door one day but it didn't happened Should've said "ideal" scenario considering the current payroll-roster situation but english is really hard for me (It's my 4th language) so give the brother a pass.
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Post by mredsox89 on Dec 9, 2015 15:44:41 GMT -5
Apparently the reason Cleveland can't duplicate the Shelby Miller trade is because they want MLB talent. I wonder how much more they'd need for one of their starters if the Sox went JBJ/Kelly/??
Sox appear to be telling people that JBJ is staying in Boston, so it may be a moot point, but who knows. Carrasco or Salazaar would be fantastic, especially if they'd be replacing the Kelly/Wright spot, and it would add even more insurance for Buchholz's eventual DL stint, be it to save innings or because he's hurt
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 9, 2015 15:46:04 GMT -5
Apparently the reason Cleveland can't duplicate the Shelby Miller trade is because they want MLB talent. I wonder how much more they'd need for one of their starters if the Sox went JBJ/Kelly/?? Sox appear to be telling people that JBJ is staying in Boston, so it may be a moot point, but who knows. Carrasco or Salazaar would be fantastic, especially if they'd be replacing the Kelly/Wright spot, and it would add even more insurance for Buchholz's eventual DL stint, be it to save innings or because he's hurt They'd probably want to then upgrade their OF, which then brings a big question mark to their 12th pick. Still, for Salazar, I'd explore it.
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Post by radiohix on Dec 9, 2015 15:49:30 GMT -5
Apparently the reason Cleveland can't duplicate the Shelby Miller trade is because they want MLB talent. I wonder how much more they'd need for one of their starters if the Sox went JBJ/Kelly/?? Sox appear to be telling people that JBJ is staying in Boston, so it may be a moot point, but who knows. Carrasco or Salazaar would be fantastic, especially if they'd be replacing the Kelly/Wright spot, and it would add even more insurance for Buchholz's eventual DL stint, be it to save innings or because he's hurt After the Miller trade, getting Carrasco/Salazar for the kind of package you're refering to is impossible even if that 3rd piece is Moncada, I think.
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Post by mredsox89 on Dec 9, 2015 15:53:40 GMT -5
Apparently the reason Cleveland can't duplicate the Shelby Miller trade is because they want MLB talent. I wonder how much more they'd need for one of their starters if the Sox went JBJ/Kelly/?? Sox appear to be telling people that JBJ is staying in Boston, so it may be a moot point, but who knows. Carrasco or Salazaar would be fantastic, especially if they'd be replacing the Kelly/Wright spot, and it would add even more insurance for Buchholz's eventual DL stint, be it to save innings or because he's hurt They'd probably want to then upgrade their OF, which then brings a big question mark to their 12th pick. Still, for Salazar, I'd explore it. I just don't see it happening, since I don't think the Sox will touch any of their top assets Betts/Bogaerts/Swihart/top prospects, but Price, Salazar, Porcello (who I think will have a great year), E-rod, Buchholz? That is so enticing. In regards to the Miller trade, I have no clue if that actually changes the market. It might change the asking price, but if they were willing to move for X, and no one is offering X+2 despite the haul for Miller, and the Indians were still very in favor of moving him, does the market really change? I don't know
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 9, 2015 15:54:02 GMT -5
Apparently the reason Cleveland can't duplicate the Shelby Miller trade is because they want MLB talent. I wonder how much more they'd need for one of their starters if the Sox went JBJ/Kelly/?? Sox appear to be telling people that JBJ is staying in Boston, so it may be a moot point, but who knows. Carrasco or Salazaar would be fantastic, especially if they'd be replacing the Kelly/Wright spot, and it would add even more insurance for Buchholz's eventual DL stint, be it to save innings or because he's hurt After the Miller trade, getting Carrasco/Salazar for the kind of package you're refering to is impossible even if that 3rd piece is Moncada, I think. Most teams view MLB level talent as extremely valuable. If Indians were looking for prospects, I think the D-backs deal becomes more prohibitive. Comparing the two deals is a little bit harder when the return would be so different. End of the day, if the Indians see a deal where they see their team getting better for a period of time they like, I don't see a reason they'd not do the deal. That being said, both their prices probably did still go up.
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 9, 2015 16:47:58 GMT -5
Maybe Bradley instead of Travis? Then we sign Gordon!! Just thinking out loud. Abraham tweeted that a team that asked about JBJ was told that we are not trading him. Ahh... well, I was thinking Cleveland could use a CFer. I like Bradley, but would include him with out hesitation for a Carrasco type or Carrasco.
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 9, 2015 17:05:22 GMT -5
I don't think Castillo has much trade value right now . I'm not sure he would get claimed off waivers. I think we have almost no option but to hold on to him and hope his bat improves. Bradley is our only OFer that can bring anything back. Betts is not going anywhere... unless Trout, Harper or Goldschmidt are made available. If a team demands an OFer from us as part of a #2 pitcher deal, I think Bradley has to be involved,no?
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Post by xanderdu on Dec 9, 2015 17:24:12 GMT -5
Sox need to use a pitcher ( Buchholz) to obtain one of the ML pieces the Indians want. Like Ozuna. Then package him with another from the roster ( Shaw), and a high end prospect (Kopech) and get this done
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Post by blizzards39 on Dec 9, 2015 21:52:06 GMT -5
Sox need to use a pitcher ( Buchholz) to obtain one of the ML pieces the Indians want. Like Ozuna. Then package him with another from the roster ( Shaw), and a high end prospect (Kopech) and get this done Even if you could get buch for Ozuna, I don't think Shaw and Kopech would be near enough. Think at least one of Devers/Benintendi/Espinoza/Moncada Look at what we gave for Kimbrel. Houston for Giles and Snakes for Miller. Good young controlable pitchers are worth a mint right now. Id say keep Koepeh, Erod, Owens, and Espinoza and hope one grows into a TOR. Until then we should have enough. There are other cheaper ways to better the team. LF, 1B are 2 easy places to start and maybe a good power arm LHR. If we are over the cap anyway Im intrigued with Gordon and Maybe even Upton. The big contacts will go to Davis and Heyward. Will there be a team to give 100M$ to both of these guys??? 5/95 might do it and gain us a few wins. We don't know Castillo or JBJ will be regulars longterm. and 1B and/or 3B will have an opening next year.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Dec 9, 2015 23:46:26 GMT -5
I'd stay put with what we have, and our depth, and go all out for Otani next offseason. Not many 21 year olds like him hit the market.
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Post by jmei on Dec 9, 2015 23:54:46 GMT -5
I'd stay put with what we have, and our depth, and go all out for Otani next offseason. Not many 21 year olds like him hit the market. With the changes to the posting system, Otani won't be posted for a long, long time.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Dec 10, 2015 2:14:52 GMT -5
I'd stay put with what we have, and our depth, and go all out for Otani next offseason. Not many 21 year olds like him hit the market. With the changes to the posting system, Otani won't be posted for a long, long time. Saw the complete opposite on Twitter, we'll just have to wait and see.
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Post by soxfanatic on Dec 10, 2015 4:51:36 GMT -5
I'd stay put with what we have, and our depth, and go all out for Otani next offseason. Not many 21 year olds like him hit the market. With the changes to the posting system, Otani won't be posted for a long, long time. With the changes to the posting system, Otani won't be posted for a long, long time. Saw the complete opposite on Twitter, we'll just have to wait and see. Jeff Passan @jeffpassan 16 u Lots of buzz about the Nippon Ham Fighters posting Shohei Otani after the 2016 season, though it's far too early to know their intentions.
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Post by jmei on Dec 10, 2015 7:50:22 GMT -5
I just don't see it. Now that they're limited to a $20m payout, Japanese teams have very little incentive to post players while they're still young and far from free agency. Even if Otani really, really wants to jump to the majors, he'd have to convince Nippon to basically do him a solid and post him five or six years before they otherwise would.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 10, 2015 8:33:50 GMT -5
Bradley isn't going anywhere, I'm his biggest skeptic but his salary and potential and flashes shown means he's staying put. Anyone you'd think about trading him for would cost way too much with other pieces that it won't happen.
I think Shaw has way more value than we think he does around the league. What he did last year, even in a small sample size, was impressive and he wasn't a nothing prospect before just not highly rated. Guys like that can helium and become legit pieces to a trade for some team. Happens a lot. I always think of JA Happ being a main piece for Oswalt.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 10, 2015 8:35:37 GMT -5
Justin Upton is the guy who's market could be minimal and it's possible he looks for an Adrien Beltre pillow contract and what park is better for him offensively than Fenway? Also, what lineup would he look like a beast in? I doubt it happens but it's a possible scenario. 1 year 20m? Over pay on the dollars to make up for the one year and he hits free agency again at a good age still after betting on himself. He's already made a lot of money so it's s realistic bet.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Dec 10, 2015 8:41:02 GMT -5
I just don't see it. Now that they're limited to a $20m payout, Japanese teams have very little incentive to post players while they're still young and far from free agency. Even if Otani really, really wants to jump to the majors, he'd have to convince Nippon to basically do him a solid and post him five or six years before they otherwise would. I suppose that would be like Betts/Bogaerts/Erod asking the RS to ALLOW them to leave town on a SOLID. These teams are businesses like the MLB & I would guess the owners would balk at the idea as they need to put fannies in their seats as well.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Dec 10, 2015 8:51:20 GMT -5
Justin Upton is the guy who's market could be minimal and it's possible he looks for an Adrien Beltre pillow contract and what park is better for him offensively than Fenway? Also, what lineup would he look like a beast in? I doubt it happens but it's a possible scenario. 1 year 20m? Over pay on the dollars to make up for the one year and he hits free agency again at a good age still after betting on himself. He's already made a lot of money so it's s realistic bet. I like it. Although I don't think he does it, next year's OF class is only Bautista. This year he's competing with 3 other guys. We would have to move Castillo for a bag of balls. AB should be ready in 2017.
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