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Which FA Starter Would You Sign?
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Post by jmei on Nov 18, 2015 10:45:02 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 18, 2015 10:48:21 GMT -5
Really quite simple. Price by a big margin because of 1) no QO, 2) been dominant in the AL East, 3) he is a lefty, 4) no known physical concern. The 2nd choice is just as easy.....Johnnie Cueto. Less money, no QO, and past track record. No one else is close, although I would have to consider Grienke if he was interested. I actually like Zimmerman, but he is not strong enough for me to give up the 12th over-all pick for. Why is being a lefty a positive and not a negative? Erod - Miley - Owens - Johnson - Fenway |
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 18, 2015 11:30:11 GMT -5
Really quite simple. Price by a big margin because of 1) no QO, 2) been dominant in the AL East, 3) he is a lefty, 4) no known physical concern. The 2nd choice is just as easy.....Johnnie Cueto. Less money, no QO, and past track record. No one else is close, although I would have to consider Grienke if he was interested. I actually like Zimmerman, but he is not strong enough for me to give up the 12th over-all pick for. Why is being a lefty a positive and not a negative? Erod - Miley - Owens - Johnson - Fenway Agree with being too lefty heavy.....The positive though would be the NYY are terrible against LH pitching & they appear to have their roster being somewhat the same next year. Toronto, though, with all their RHH may be a problem. With that being said, I think we need a righty. |
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 18, 2015 13:28:29 GMT -5
Why is being a lefty a positive and not a negative? Erod - Miley - Owens - Johnson - Fenway Agree with being too lefty heavy.....The positive though would be the NYY are terrible against LH pitching & they appear to have their roster being somewhat the same next year. Toronto, though, with all their RHH may be a problem. With that being said, I think we need a righty. I think we need the best pitcher. |
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Post by telson13 on Nov 19, 2015 0:23:46 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm fine with a lefty if it's Price, who's the best pitcher. I'd be OK with Cueto and despite losing the 12th pick, I'd be happy with a 5/150 for Grienke, who has had AL success before and looks to age fairly well. Nobody else really seems all that worth signing except Kazmir (injury issues and is probably only good for 170 innings and 6/game) or maybe Shark, if he takes a sweetheart deal.
If they sign Zimmerman, I will legitimately consider a one year boycott. Throwing away the 12th pick for a likely weak 2/strong 3 in the AL...just looks like a potentially monumental waste of money to me.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 19, 2015 0:49:39 GMT -5
Dodgers - Price
Red Sox - Greinke
Giants - Cueto
Tor - Zimmerman
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Post by akiva on Nov 19, 2015 1:16:16 GMT -5
Price is the best choice, but I see the Red Sox making Greinke their top priority. I'm totally OK with that. He has leanings toward an east coast club according to Morosi and I reckon Baird/Bannister would help tip the scales. Could be cheaper than Price by quite a bit and will age very well.
I'd accept Cueto as a good fallback for an even friendlier cost.
Zimm and below would be disastrous and I can't see Dombrowski settling for it.
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Post by Coreno on Nov 19, 2015 1:17:55 GMT -5
I would rather sign one of the guys who don't have a QO attached. That being said, I'm not entirely against loosing the #12. I just don't want them to give it up for one guy. Either add pieces that dont cost compensation, or go out and sign Greinke, Alex Gordon and whoever else (not necessarily those moves, but you get what I mean).
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Post by jmei on Nov 19, 2015 7:25:05 GMT -5
If they sign Zimmerman, I will legitimately consider a one year boycott. Throwing away the 12th pick for a likely weak 2/strong 3 in the AL...just looks like a potentially monumental waste of money to me. You can't possibly say that without knowing how much Zimmermsnn signs for. |
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Post by rafael on Nov 19, 2015 7:59:10 GMT -5
How much is the #12 pick worth? That's a major factor when considering which pitcher to target.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Nov 19, 2015 8:02:56 GMT -5
Price.
No pick is associated with signing him. The payroll is already ridiculous with Hanley/Panda. Ideally, you move one of them this offseason, but to get the elite guy you need take the luxury tax hit.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 19, 2015 8:26:16 GMT -5
Price. No pick is associated with signing him. The payroll is already ridiculous with Hanley/Panda. Ideally, you move one of them this offseason, but to get the elite guy you need take the luxury tax hit. I'm really curious what Price signs for. Is he going to accept a deferred type deal like Scherzer? He is the obvious Scherzer this offseason. Even with Grienke leaving, the Dodgers have a massive payroll. We throw around 7/210, 8/250 like this happens all the time. Just a few years ago 6/140 ish was a massive contract (Werth/Crawford) & of course they haven't worked out well. Price is good, but he's not Kershaw good. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 20, 2015 15:53:58 GMT -5
How much is the #12 pick worth? That's a major factor when considering which pitcher to target. I would say not sign any player this year in which you have to give it up. Two players I would give it up for Price and Cueto, both don't have picks tied to their signings. Don't think we should give up #12 pick for Zimmerman types and I really like Zimmerman. Just think you should pay more for Price or Cueto, no pick and they are better pitchers. We lost picks last year, not something you want to do every year. |
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 20, 2015 17:18:00 GMT -5
How much is the #12 pick worth? That's a major factor when considering which pitcher to target. I would say not sign any player this year in which you have to give it up. Two players I would give it up for Price and Cueto, both don't have picks tied to their signings. Don't think we should give up #12 pick for Zimmerman types and I really like Zimmerman. Just think you should pay more for Price or Cueto, no pick and they are better pitchers. We lost picks last year, not something you want to do every year. Last year---Scherzer, Lester, Shields were clearly valued in that order & this year proved that correct....Now with Price, Cueto, Grienke are closer in value/worth...With these 3, you wouldn't be surprised they finish in any particular order...Grab Cueto OR trade for a #2. If neither of those 2 happen, sign Kazmir & improve somewhere else to offset. |
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 20, 2015 17:42:43 GMT -5
I thought Price might swamp this too much ... is it crazy to start a second poll for the second choice? E.g., if he simply doesn't want to sign here, who do you turn to next?
My first choice, BTW, is tentatively Samardzija on a one-year (or two-year) make-better contract, with some team or mutual options. It's tentative because I don't have the info I'd need to confirm he's a good buy-low option, as some have seemed to argue convincingly.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 20, 2015 17:48:49 GMT -5
I think Samardzija gets more than a 1 or 2 year deal but who knows. Cubs have already been linked to him.
I still think Greinke is probably the best bet performance wise, though Price is maybe a better fit.
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Post by blizzards39 on Nov 20, 2015 20:16:33 GMT -5
Tick tock. Wonder how long till pieces start to fall. Just give price the check book and tell him to fill in the blank and lets go to the fort.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 23, 2015 10:06:59 GMT -5
I think Samardzija gets more than a 1 or 2 year deal but who knows. Cubs have already been linked to him. I still think Greinke is probably the best bet performance wise, though Price is maybe a better fit. I can't see any team with a top 15 pick sign Smardzija, even on a good contract....If we had 20 or higher, I think he would be a good sign. I do like his make up & stuff. Can't help notice how his numbers didn't look as good in the AL. I'm afraid Zimmerman could be similar. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 23, 2015 10:10:02 GMT -5
Zimmerman shouldn't even be in the discussion unless his price tag dropped below reasonable expectations
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Post by telson13 on Nov 25, 2015 22:26:25 GMT -5
If they sign Zimmerman, I will legitimately consider a one year boycott. Throwing away the 12th pick for a likely weak 2/strong 3 in the AL...just looks like a potentially monumental waste of money to me. You can't possibly say that without knowing how much Zimmermsnn signs for. Inherent in my comment was the idea that he will likely go somewhere at or slightly above the fangraphs crowdsourced number (since they tend to slightly underestimate the top names). But you're absolutely right, and my statement is highly conditional: if the Sox signed him for 5/$75M I'd be extremely pleased, even with the loss of the 12th pick. So you make a good point. I'll amend it to say that if they signed him for 5-6 years at 20-24M per year, it would be a waste of money and a talented draft pick. Of course, even that can't be assessed until his contract is done, but it's my prediction: hence, the wording "potentially monumental." You might note that I did qualify my statement for exactly the reason you stated. |
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Post by telson13 on Nov 25, 2015 22:30:47 GMT -5
I think Samardzija gets more than a 1 or 2 year deal but who knows. Cubs have already been linked to him. I still think Greinke is probably the best bet performance wise, though Price is maybe a better fit. I tend to think you're right...and it's tough to think a team would sacrifice a high pick (top-15 or better) for a 1-2 year pillow contract. It's a whole different story for the Cubs, who would be losing only around pick 27. That's a huge difference from 12. |
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Post by blizzards39 on Nov 26, 2015 1:24:48 GMT -5
I think Samardzija gets more than a 1 or 2 year deal but who knows. Cubs have already been linked to him. I still think Greinke is probably the best bet performance wise, though Price is maybe a better fit. I tend to think you're right...and it's tough to think a team would sacrifice a high pick (top-15 or better) for a 1-2 year pillow contract. It's a whole different story for the Cubs, who would be losing only around pick 27. That's a huge difference from 12. Unless the signing team also signs greinke, or one of the big hitters. Then shark would only yield a second round pick. Once you sign that first FA with a QO then it's not as big of deal to sign the next FA. |
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Post by gerry on Nov 26, 2015 3:45:31 GMT -5
I think Samardzija gets more than a 1 or 2 year deal but who knows. Cubs have already been linked to him. I still think Greinke is probably the best bet performance wise, though Price is maybe a better fit. I tend to think you're right...and it's tough to think a team would sacrifice a high pick (top-15 or better) for a 1-2 year pillow contract. It's a whole different story for the Cubs, who would be losing only around pick 27. That's a huge difference from 12. Kazmir is ranked cheek to jowel with Shark. He won't cost a pick. I can't get Nomah at #12 out of my head whenever I think Zimmermann, Shark and others in this middle tier. At very reasonable $$ and another top signing, the pick is worth it, as it is for Greinke alone. Otherwise, let's hope DDo really knows what he is doing and that the winter meetinga get things moving. This is agonizingly difficult compared to last year's fewer choices. Lester at 7/140 sounds so sane at this point. |
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 27, 2015 13:08:15 GMT -5
I tend to think you're right...and it's tough to think a team would sacrifice a high pick (top-15 or better) for a 1-2 year pillow contract. It's a whole different story for the Cubs, who would be losing only around pick 27. That's a huge difference from 12. Unless the signing team also signs greinke, or one of the big hitters. Then shark would only yield a second round pick. Once you sign that first FA with a QO then it's not as big of deal to sign the next FA. If we signed say Greinke AND Shark/Zimmerman we'd be basically punting next years draft.....I'm not sure how the FO see's the Lowell/GCL/DSL prospects, but I'd like to see another wave come up after the loaded wave coming up together that will be in Salem/Portland this year. Don't see more than a couple of good SP's in Portland & below. |
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Post by telson13 on Nov 29, 2015 1:04:50 GMT -5
Punting a draft in a year in which their IFA single-player max bonus is 300K would basically leave a complete hole in the system unless they stumbled into a few incredible value picks. If they don't trade anyone else from the farm, and use the excess created from additions to the rotation, it's semi-reasonable, although they'd be adding a lot of payroll, which would hurt their ability to extend Betts, Bogaerts, etc in 2-3 years, unless Samardzija was on a 2-year (and could maybe be offered a QO, if performance dictated...). Still, I'm not a huge fan of the idea.
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