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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 16, 2015 16:37:11 GMT -5
Looks like dombrowski has closed shop for the winter without securing a #2 starter. It is December 16. Opening Day is April 4. Lots of time for things to play out. Relax. Remember, days before the Miley trade, Dombrowski said they were probably not going to have any major acquisitions for the bullpen. Things change. The system's still super deep. If something popped up, I would not be surprised to see Dombrowski pull the trigger. I'd bet against it happening, but it wouldn't surprise me.
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Post by jdb on Mar 31, 2016 18:07:55 GMT -5
Still seeing Trevor Bauer's name in trade rumors. I wonder if a subsidized Castillo could fit?
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Post by mattpicard on Mar 31, 2016 19:16:07 GMT -5
Intriguing arm or not, he's a head case with a repulsive personality. I'd rather hang onto Castillo for now if that's the best we can get.
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Post by jdb on Apr 1, 2016 7:20:21 GMT -5
Intriguing arm or not, he's a head case with a repulsive personality. I'd rather hang onto Castillo for now if that's the best we can get. Didn't realize that. I thought it was a case where teams don't like his training methods and that's gone back forever. I read an article recently where he says he was born with a 85 MPH FB and he worked, trained and used analytics for the next 10.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 1, 2016 11:08:17 GMT -5
Intriguing arm or not, he's a head case with a repulsive personality. I'd rather hang onto Castillo for now if that's the best we can get. I don't buy that narrative in the least, and I think it's lazy. Unless you know him personally, and even then, who's to say it's him? I'll never forget all of the intensely negative BS about Corey Dillon with the Bengals...and when he came to NE he was the consummate teammate and a tremendously hard worker. Making those sorts of calls on media reporting is silly. The reality is that he's a really bright guy who's fascinated with pitching, regardless of whether he does it well or not. And as to whether he can pitch or not, that remains to be seen. www.fangraphs.com/blogs/trevor-bauer-towards-better-pitching-through-science/
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Post by mattpicard on Apr 1, 2016 11:29:21 GMT -5
Intriguing arm or not, he's a head case with a repulsive personality. I'd rather hang onto Castillo for now if that's the best we can get. I don't buy that narrative in the least, and I think it's lazy. Unless you know him personally, and even then, who's to say it's him? I'll never forget all of the intensely negative BS about Corey Dillon with the Bengals...and when he came to NE he was the consummate teammate and a tremendously hard worker. Making those sorts of calls on media reporting is silly. The reality is that he's a really bright guy who's fascinated with pitching, regardless of whether he does it well or not. And as to whether he can pitch or not, that remains to be seen. www.fangraphs.com/blogs/trevor-bauer-towards-better-pitching-through-science/Not one media report has influenced my opinion of him. I'm going solely off what I've seen him directly tweet. Feel free to look up some of his gems and tell me that's a guy you wouldn't mind having on your team.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 1, 2016 12:24:23 GMT -5
Intriguing arm or not, he's a head case with a repulsive personality. I'd rather hang onto Castillo for now if that's the best we can get. I don't buy that narrative in the least, and I think it's lazy. Unless you know him personally, and even then, who's to say it's him? I'll never forget all of the intensely negative BS about Corey Dillon with the Bengals...and when he came to NE he was the consummate teammate and a tremendously hard worker. Making those sorts of calls on media reporting is silly. The reality is that he's a really bright guy who's fascinated with pitching, regardless of whether he does it well or not. And as to whether he can pitch or not, that remains to be seen. www.fangraphs.com/blogs/trevor-bauer-towards-better-pitching-through-science/Belichik seems to have a calming influence on most troublemakers. Everyone knows he won't put up with any crap and most guys with the troublemaker reputation know it might be their last chance in the NFL. Because if they can't play for Belichik, they probably can't play for anyone. And he has the winning pedigree that cannot be questioned. Plus, he has Brady who probably won't put up with any crap either. I guess there are exceptions, namely Aaron Hernandez. But he was young and hadn't been almost pushed out of the league when he joined the team. Any team who wants to take a chance on guys like this need a very strong manager and very strong leadership in the clubhouse so that they know from day one that there's no room for huge egos with huge attitude.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 1, 2016 16:20:23 GMT -5
I don't buy that narrative in the least, and I think it's lazy. Unless you know him personally, and even then, who's to say it's him? I'll never forget all of the intensely negative BS about Corey Dillon with the Bengals...and when he came to NE he was the consummate teammate and a tremendously hard worker. Making those sorts of calls on media reporting is silly. The reality is that he's a really bright guy who's fascinated with pitching, regardless of whether he does it well or not. And as to whether he can pitch or not, that remains to be seen. www.fangraphs.com/blogs/trevor-bauer-towards-better-pitching-through-science/Not one media report has influenced my opinion of him. I'm going solely off what I've seen him directly tweet. Feel free to look up some of his gems and tell me that's a guy you wouldn't mind having on your team. Fair enough, I'm not so sure he's Jon Denny territory, but he's way too easily riled up. He might want to delete his Twitter account. Of course, Curt Schilling says some monumentally stupid things too, and his personality didn't hurt the Sox. I don't find Bauer unusually offensive compared with a lot of social media inhabitants, frankly. But he could stand to keep his mouth shut and not feed those trolling him. But if you're going to get into judging character, are you saying you wouldn't have wanted Clemens (alleged affair with 15-y/o Mindy Macready), or Boggs (the heavy drinking, sex addiction, etc)? Or Schilling (huge mouth spouting morally questionable views)? Bauer may be a head case (I can see him being an over thinker), but he's, what, 25?
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Post by burythehammer on Apr 2, 2016 16:54:59 GMT -5
Corey Dillon is *really* not the example you wanna use for the "media portrayal of person not necessarily reflective of their actual character" argument.
That said, you're naive if you think Bauer's political views are any less revolting than the majority of MLB players. The rest of them just aren't vocal about it.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 2, 2016 22:34:30 GMT -5
Corey Dillon is *really* not the example you wanna use for the "media portrayal of person not necessarily reflective of their actual character" argument. That said, you're naive if you think Bauer's political views are any less revolting than the majority of MLB players. The rest of them just aren't vocal about it. That was my point: Bauer isn't unusual in his views, just vocal. My point regarding Dillon is that the presumption that a player is a "clubhouse/locker-room cancer" is predicated on his environment. Often, in the proper environment, those players make great contributions, and the assumptions that they're universally "bad" for a team are silly. Darryl Strawberry is one of the most detestable people I can recall in my time of watching baseball, but he sure didn't stop the '86 Mets. Now, do I necessarily want to follow a team of Strawberry, Cordero, Chapman, Reyes, etc.? No, of course not. But I can root for a team (even a player) whose personality and views I find ridiculous, backwards, etc. if I see him making a genuine contribution to the success of a *team* (Schilling in '04, for example, or Beckett in '07). Edit: In fact, I like being proven wrong about the "bad teammate" presumption when I'm guilty of it myself. I questioned Hanley all throughout his career, but I'd love to see him grow as part of a team.
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Post by jdb on May 19, 2016 9:24:03 GMT -5
The guy from Red Sox Stats tweeted(I think half jokingly) he can't wait until the JBJ for Salazar trade in 50 days.
It would have seemed crazy over the offseason but not so much now. Just curious if anyone would do that? It's a lot easier and cheaper for us to acquire an OFer and with Benny and maybe even Moncada this maybe considered since Dom isn't afraid to deal from the big league roster.
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Post by jimed14 on May 19, 2016 10:01:42 GMT -5
The guy from Red Sox Stats tweeted(I think half jokingly) he can't wait until the JBJ for Salazar trade in 50 days. It would have seemed crazy over the offseason but not so much now. Just curious if anyone would do that? It's a lot easier and cheaper for us to acquire an OFer and with Benny and maybe even Moncada this maybe considered since Dom isn't afraid to deal from the big league roster. You can't do it this season. JBJ is way too important.
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Post by sox fan in nc on May 19, 2016 15:13:30 GMT -5
Even though JBJ is probably the MVP as of now & may very well get us to the playoffs, frontline pitching IMO gets you duck boat ride.
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Post by scottysmalls on May 19, 2016 15:29:44 GMT -5
Even though JBJ is probably the MVP as of now & may very well get us to the playoffs, frontline pitching IMO gets you duck boat ride. You sure? Just looking at the last three World Series winners the best pitchers on each team were Edinson Volquez (3.55 ERA (117 ERA+), 3.82 FIP), Madinson Bumgarner (2.98 ERA (116 ERA+), 3.05 FIP), and John Lackey (3.52 ERA (117 ERA+), 3.86 FIP). The Red Sox number two was Lester who had a 110 ERA+, the Royals number two was Chris Young who had a 131 ERA+ but only started 5 games in the second half of the season, the Giants acquired Peavy who had a great second half for them (159 ERA+) but really outperformed his peripherals. The Red Sox this year have David Price whose peripherals are better than every single one of those guys I just mentioned, and I think we all reasonably expect at least a 115 ERA+ going forward, Steven Wright who is also outperforming all of them and only lags in FIP behind Bumgarner and Peavy, and Porcello pitching about as well as Volquez, Lackey or Lester did (although his ERA+ is even better at 127). Sox staff looks a lot different with Price pitching well and with E-Rod (hopefully) coming back, whose 2015 season was on par with what Volquez, Lackey and Lester did in those World Series years. Really, the number 5 spot is the biggest question, but they likely have a sufficient candidate in house in Buchholz or Kelly, and should not need to feel pressed to acquire pitching, certainly not for Jackie Bradley. It doesn't mean they can't look to improve, but it would take a really freaking good pitcher to improve the team if you're losing JBJ. Having said that, it may make more sense in the off-season when it's easier to find a replacement RF (with Mookie going back to center) or CF.
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Post by jimed14 on May 19, 2016 16:17:30 GMT -5
Even though JBJ is probably the MVP as of now & may very well get us to the playoffs, frontline pitching IMO gets you duck boat ride. Tell that to the Mets.
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Post by telson13 on May 19, 2016 16:41:46 GMT -5
Even though JBJ is probably the MVP as of now & may very well get us to the playoffs, frontline pitching IMO gets you duck boat ride. You sure? Just looking at the last three World Series winners the best pitchers on each team were Edinson Volquez (3.55 ERA (117 ERA+), 3.82 FIP), Madinson Bumgarner (2.98 ERA (116 ERA+), 3.05 FIP), and John Lackey (3.52 ERA (117 ERA+), 3.86 FIP). The Red Sox number two was Lester who had a 110 ERA+, the Royals number two was Chris Young who had a 131 ERA+ but only started 5 games in the second half of the season, the Giants acquired Peavy who had a great second half for them (159 ERA+) but really outperformed his peripherals. The Red Sox this year have David Price whose peripherals are better than every single one of those guys I just mentioned, and I think we all reasonably expect at least a 115 ERA+ going forward, Steven Wright who is also outperforming all of them and only lags in FIP behind Bumgarner and Peavy, and Porcello pitching about as well as Volquez, Lackey or Lester did (although his ERA+ is even better at 127). Sox staff looks a lot different with Price pitching well and with E-Rod (hopefully) coming back, whose 2015 season was on par with what Volquez, Lackey and Lester did in those World Series years. Really, the number 5 spot is the biggest question, but they likely have a sufficient candidate in house in Buchholz or Kelly, and should not need to feel pressed to acquire pitching, certainly not for Jackie Bradley. It doesn't mean they can't look to improve, but it would take a really freaking good pitcher to improve the team if you're losing JBJ. Having said that, it may make more sense in the off-season when it's easier to find a replacement RF (with Mookie going back to center) or CF. Agreed. If JBJ comes even close to finishing the year at his current offensive pace (and presuming his defense regresses as well, in the opposite direction), he's a 5-WAR player, 4 on the low end. You're going to be hard-pressed to find many 5-WAR pitchers this year, and when you include the gaping OF hole in an already-thin OF, that trade is a recipe for disaster. And that's coming from someone who's advocated trying to get Salazar for the past year.
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Post by ramireja on May 19, 2016 17:13:48 GMT -5
You sure? Just looking at the last three World Series winners the best pitchers on each team were Edinson Volquez (3.55 ERA (117 ERA+), 3.82 FIP), Madinson Bumgarner (2.98 ERA (116 ERA+), 3.05 FIP), and John Lackey (3.52 ERA (117 ERA+), 3.86 FIP). The Red Sox number two was Lester who had a 110 ERA+, the Royals number two was Chris Young who had a 131 ERA+ but only started 5 games in the second half of the season, the Giants acquired Peavy who had a great second half for them (159 ERA+) but really outperformed his peripherals. The Red Sox this year have David Price whose peripherals are better than every single one of those guys I just mentioned, and I think we all reasonably expect at least a 115 ERA+ going forward, Steven Wright who is also outperforming all of them and only lags in FIP behind Bumgarner and Peavy, and Porcello pitching about as well as Volquez, Lackey or Lester did (although his ERA+ is even better at 127). Sox staff looks a lot different with Price pitching well and with E-Rod (hopefully) coming back, whose 2015 season was on par with what Volquez, Lackey and Lester did in those World Series years. Really, the number 5 spot is the biggest question, but they likely have a sufficient candidate in house in Buchholz or Kelly, and should not need to feel pressed to acquire pitching, certainly not for Jackie Bradley. It doesn't mean they can't look to improve, but it would take a really freaking good pitcher to improve the team if you're losing JBJ. Having said that, it may make more sense in the off-season when it's easier to find a replacement RF (with Mookie going back to center) or CF. Agreed. If JBJ comes even close to finishing the year at his current offensive pace (and presuming his defense regresses as well, in the opposite direction), he's a 5-WAR player, 4 on the low end. You're going to be hard-pressed to find many 5-WAR pitchers this year, and when you include the gaping OF hole in an already-thin OF, that trade is a recipe for disaster. And that's coming from someone who's advocated trying to get Salazar for the past year. Maybe true, but the difference between Salazar and our worst pitcher is probably greater than the difference between JBJ (projected for the rest of year, not necessarily the 330/400/600 JBJ) and Benintendi/Chris Young. Long term that difference becomes even smaller as Benintendi progresses. Edit. Reread your post and you mention OF gap. I mean if we traded JBJ now it would sting for sure. I'm basically banking on Benintendi being ready for the big show by the end of the year which admittedly is pretty suspect.
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Post by sox fan in nc on May 20, 2016 8:28:41 GMT -5
Even though JBJ is probably the MVP as of now & may very well get us to the playoffs, frontline pitching IMO gets you duck boat ride. You sure? Just looking at the last three World Series winners the best pitchers on each team were Edinson Volquez (3.55 ERA (117 ERA+), 3.82 FIP), Madinson Bumgarner (2.98 ERA (116 ERA+), 3.05 FIP), and John Lackey (3.52 ERA (117 ERA+), 3.86 FIP). The Red Sox number two was Lester who had a 110 ERA+, the Royals number two was Chris Young who had a 131 ERA+ but only started 5 games in the second half of the season, the Giants acquired Peavy who had a great second half for them (159 ERA+) but really outperformed his peripherals. The Red Sox this year have David Price whose peripherals are better than every single one of those guys I just mentioned, and I think we all reasonably expect at least a 115 ERA+ going forward, Steven Wright who is also outperforming all of them and only lags in FIP behind Bumgarner and Peavy, and Porcello pitching about as well as Volquez, Lackey or Lester did (although his ERA+ is even better at 127). Sox staff looks a lot different with Price pitching well and with E-Rod (hopefully) coming back, whose 2015 season was on par with what Volquez, Lackey and Lester did in those World Series years. Really, the number 5 spot is the biggest question, but they likely have a sufficient candidate in house in Buchholz or Kelly, and should not need to feel pressed to acquire pitching, certainly not for Jackie Bradley. It doesn't mean they can't look to improve, but it would take a really freaking good pitcher to improve the team if you're losing JBJ. Having said that, it may make more sense in the off-season when it's easier to find a replacement RF (with Mookie going back to center) or CF. Salazar is a really freaking good pitcher.
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