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Wade Miley
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Post by justen on Dec 5, 2015 13:56:45 GMT -5
I don't do this very often, so bare with me. Miley is an obvious trade candidate, despite me personally hoping they keep him because you love innings eaters at the back of that rotation. With the signing of Price though, we might look to save in payroll while also trying to acquire assets to ease the pain of the Kimbrel trade.
The Diamondbacks just splurged on Zack Greinke and it's not like they're a huge market team. They'll still aim to keep the payroll somewhat modest and that means a search for cheap, valuable arms. They were 24th in the league in pitching last year, and are probably just an arm or two away from seriously contending in the NL West (if they aren't already).
They've been connected to Mike Leake, even after the signing of Greinke. However, with monetary resources slightly strained they might turn to the system to try to improve their ballclub further. As the price of pitching continues to sky-rocket, Miley holds a nice bit of value. Miley and Leake have generated very similar production in their careers, but at this point Leake is going to cost a lot more. Not to mention, Miley just put up his best career WAR in the AL East.
The DBacks have some pretty interesting arms and with Bradley waiting in the wings, should be able to depart with at least one of their better ones for the right return. Aaron Blair and Braden Shipley are immediately the guys your inquire about.
I'll give it a shot:
DBacks Get: Miley
Sox get: Shipley/Blair Leyba (SS/2b 20 YO in High-A) / Huang (RHP 22 YO in A recovered from back surgery) / Reed (LHP 19 YO pitched pretty well in Short-A) Mejia (big arm lottery ticket 21YO pitched ok in Short-A) / Alcantara (SS 19 YO not as much bat as Guerra but mighty fine with the glove)
Sound at all plausible to anyone?
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Post by digit on Dec 5, 2015 14:58:32 GMT -5
Not particularly - the Diamondbacks traded him to us for Allen Webster and Rubby de la Rosa, so they'd probably value him roughly around that range. Them going for Leake seems like they want someone who could be a #2, and I have a hard time thinking they'd trade a package like that for him.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 5, 2015 15:01:28 GMT -5
Not particularly - the Diamondbacks traded him to us for Allen Webster and Rubby de la Rosa, so they'd probably value him roughly around that range. Them going for Leake seems like they want someone who could be a #2, and I have a hard time thinking they'd trade a package like that for him. Good first post. I agree. Miley might have had a decent season according to people more sabermetrically inclined, but that's something Dave Stewart isn't. His surface numbers (which might be what Stewart would be focusing on) were not appealing so I doubt Miley has made the DBacks think he's worth a lot more now than they traded him for.
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Post by justen on Dec 5, 2015 15:37:58 GMT -5
That's understandable and the deal I threw out is probably an overpay. But if you look at what pitchers are being paid and the deal Miley is on, starters who eat 185-200 innings consistently are worth more than just a lottery ticket or two. I also like the idea of using Miley to get a cost-controlled relief pitcher. I like the idea of getting a Shipley or Blair because they're on the cusp of readiness, are cheaper, and could provide interesting swing man options for the big club (Like a Workman type). At the time Webster and Ruby were still considered to have considerable upside, so it's not like we got him for nothing despite what it looks like in retrospect.
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Post by jmei on Dec 5, 2015 18:23:17 GMT -5
Not particularly - the Diamondbacks traded him to us for Allen Webster and Rubby de la Rosa, so they'd probably value him roughly around that range. Them going for Leake seems like they want someone who could be a #2, and I have a hard time thinking they'd trade a package like that for him. On a league- and park-adjusted basis, Miley has basically been as good as Leake over the past three years.
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Post by telson13 on Dec 5, 2015 18:31:37 GMT -5
I actually agree with most of everything written so far, if that seems possible. If AZ spent all of that money on Grienke, they're obviously going for it. Leake is no more a 2 than Miley, and I'm pretty sure AZ wouldn't make that trade again. They could really use Miley back, and one thing Stewart would like is all of those innings. That's exactly the sort of thing that *would* have value to an oldschool GM. RDLR/Webster was a better package than we give credit for, at least in terms of the industry view of upside. With three years still, and cost certainty, he's exactly the type of pitcher they need at a discount price. I'm not sure the Sox could get Shipley back, and I think holding on to Miley until the trade deadline is a better idea (both for seeing how Owens/Johnson/Kelly do, and whether or not they have other immediate needs as hopefully buyers) since at that point they'll have more suitors and probably better offers. I like your thinking though Justen.
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Post by telson13 on Dec 5, 2015 18:40:21 GMT -5
I will say this: as much as I was pushing two months ago for them to sign Price and put Owens in the rotation while trading Miley, I really like him in the five spot for now. And that's because he is exactly what he is: a league-average innings eater. Not a good 3 on a championship club, but a terrific 5. If one of Owens/Kelly/Johnson forces their way back into the rotation by June, Miley becomes a terrific chip at the deadline. But with three of four major offseason needs met (a viable 1b backup seems important to me but not critical yet), I think they ought to stand pat and sift the waiver wire, non-tenders, etc. Obviously if they get a great offer for Mikey, take it. I'd love to see them get Shipley or a similar pitcher. But I'm not sure any team will feel that urgency yet in the offseason to make such a move.
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Post by justen on Dec 5, 2015 23:23:23 GMT -5
I will say this: as much as I was pushing two months ago for them to sign Price and put Owens in the rotation while trading Miley, I really like him in the five spot for now. And that's because he is exactly what he is: a league-average innings eater. Not a good 3 on a championship club, but a terrific 5. If one of Owens/Kelly/Johnson forces their way back into the rotation by June, Miley becomes a terrific chip at the deadline. But with three of four major offseason needs met (a viable 1b backup seems important to me but not critical yet), I think they ought to stand pat and sift the waiver wire, non-tenders, etc. Obviously if they get a great offer for Mikey, take it. I'd love to see them get Shipley or a similar pitcher. But I'm not sure any team will feel that urgency yet in the offseason to make such a move. Completely agree with all of this. I like Miley and with him AND price in the rotation, you're guaranteeing 380 innings from just two guys in the rotation. Big deal for the impact it has on rest for the bullpen. And monetary assets don't seem out of the question to me as far as acquiring the last bullpen piece that we need.
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Post by sibbysisti on Dec 6, 2015 10:57:44 GMT -5
I don't do this very often, so bare with me. Miley is an obvious trade candidate, despite me personally hoping they keep him because you love innings eaters at the back of that rotation. With the signing of Price though, we might look to save in payroll while also trying to acquire assets to ease the pain of the Kimbrel trade. The Diamondbacks just splurged on Zack Greinke and it's not like they're a huge market team. They'll still aim to keep the payroll somewhat modest and that means a search for cheap, valuable arms. They were 24th in the league in pitching last year, and are probably just an arm or two away from seriously contending in the NL West (if they aren't already). They've been connected to Mike Leake, even after the signing of Greinke. However, with monetary resources slightly strained they might turn to the system to try to improve their ballclub further. As the price of pitching continues to sky-rocket, Miley holds a nice bit of value. Miley and Leake have generated very similar production in their careers, but at this point Leake is going to cost a lot more. Not to mention, Miley just put up his best career WAR in the AL East. The DBacks have some pretty interesting arms and with Bradley waiting in the wings, should be able to depart with at least one of their better ones for the right return. Aaron Blair and Braden Shipley are immediately the guys your inquire about. I'll give it a shot: DBacks Get: Miley Sox get: Shipley/Blair Leyba (SS/2b 20 YO in High-A) / Huang (RHP 22 YO in A recovered from back surgery) / Reed (LHP 19 YO pitched pretty well in Short-A) Mejia (big arm lottery ticket 21YO pitched ok in Short-A) / Alcantara (SS 19 YO not as much bat as Guerra but mighty fine with the glove) Sound at all plausible to anyone? I will not bare (sic) with you as I prefer to keep my clothes on while discussing Sox pitching. Miley, it seems, is the most likely trade candidate of the team's starters. With the addition of Price, it would have three left handlers in the starting rotation and Owens and Johnson near ML ready. I don't agree with some who would banish Joe Kelly to the bullpen. In the first place, he has not played there much except for his early years as a professional and his first two years on the Cardinals. Secondly, according to reports, he would not be comfortable there. And given his repertoire, he tracks more as a starter than a reliever. So a Miley trade would open the #5 spot for him in 2016. His successful run to complete his season certainly helps to solidify his qualifications as a starter. I doubt the D-Backs would make that trade. By the way, they should be happy with their return. Rubby, though he pitched to a 4.67 era, still won fourteen (three more than Miley), and had close to 200 IP for his first season in a starting role in AZ.
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Post by humanbeingbean on Dec 6, 2015 16:10:40 GMT -5
I've generally been very wary of dealing a top 5 guy of ours, but does anyone think Cleveland would deny Miley/Shaw/Marrero/Devers for Salazar, or maybe Salazar and Bryan Shaw? I think that'd at least get conversations going. I'd be sad to part with Devers, and I really do like Miley, but he can be covered by Kelly/Owens/Johnson. I also would insert Devers at the very end... I'd perhaps use Chavis at first, but if they don't want that (I know that's a light package) I'd go Devers, I think. A Price/Salazar/Buchholz/Porcello/Rodriguez/Owens/Kelly and Johnson line is tantalizing.
EDIT: To the Miley/Shaw/Marrero/Devers line, I'd perhaps also add a reliever of ours, say Light. If it took that.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 6, 2015 16:26:27 GMT -5
I've generally been very wary of dealing a top 5 guy of ours, but does anyone think Cleveland would deny Miley/Shaw/Marrero/Devers for Salazar, or maybe Salazar and Bryan Shaw? I think that'd at least get conversations going. I'd be sad to part with Devers, and I really do like Miley, but he can be covered by Kelly/Owens/Johnson. I also would insert Devers at the very end... I'd perhaps use Chavis at first, but if they don't want that (I know that's a light package) I'd go Devers, I think. A Price/Salazar/Buchholz/Porcello/Rodriguez/Owens/Kelly and Johnson line is tantalizing. EDIT: To the Miley/Shaw/Marrero/Devers line, I'd perhaps also add a reliever of ours, say Light. If it took that. I don't really see why the Indians would want that package of guys. Danny Salazar has 5 years of control left, and is really really really good, they're not going to let him go for Devers and a package of non-essential guys. Now, if you throw Joe Kelly, Devers, Brian Johnson, and JBJ at them, that might get you somewhere.
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Post by amfox1 on Dec 7, 2015 14:18:49 GMT -5
Ken RosenthalVerified account @ken_Rosenthal 8m8 minutes ago Source: #Mariners making progress on trade for #RedSox’s Miley.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 7, 2015 14:28:25 GMT -5
Miley for Tony Zych and DJ Peterson after a down season.
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