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Post by kingofthetrill on Jan 2, 2016 16:58:16 GMT -5
So the Dodgers get Kenta Maeda for 8 years and $24 million, but with $10-$12 million/year in incentives.
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Post by jmei on Jan 2, 2016 17:09:06 GMT -5
Interesting contract structure that makes sense for a pitcher like Maeda with a wide range of possible outcomes.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jan 3, 2016 2:38:19 GMT -5
Interesting contract structure that makes sense for a pitcher like Maeda with a wide range of possible outcomes. That's a great deal for the Dodgers as well.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 3, 2016 8:23:14 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 5, 2016 12:17:59 GMT -5
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jan 5, 2016 19:56:52 GMT -5
And Alex Anthopoulos joins the Dodgers with Andrew Friedman.
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Post by humanbeingbean on Jan 6, 2016 10:12:58 GMT -5
Gordon back to Royals: 4 years/72 million.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 6, 2016 10:28:50 GMT -5
...a counter-weight to those who insist it's always about the money.
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Post by nomar on Jan 6, 2016 10:59:01 GMT -5
God I love Gordon. He's been through a lot in terms of hype, rejectment, and then becoming a KC hero. Him taking a bit of a discount is another chapter in the book of one of the game's most respectable players.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jan 6, 2016 11:15:55 GMT -5
...a counter-weight to those who insist it's always about the money. Are we sure he had higher offers? I know that is the narrative, but I have my doubts he could have received a significantly greater amount.
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Post by Guidas on Jan 6, 2016 12:02:58 GMT -5
God I love Gordon. He's been through a lot in terms of hype, rejectment, and then becoming a KC hero. Him taking a bit of a discount is another chapter in the book of one of the game's most respectable players. I didn't see any reports of other offers. Do you know how much of a discount he took? He's actually a player I didn't think would age well so I am not so sure this is a "discount."
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Post by Sox Mojo Rising on Jan 6, 2016 14:53:34 GMT -5
...a counter-weight to those who insist it's always about the money. I'm not so sure... From the beginning of the off-season it felt like Gordon's intent was to get out of KC for a big pay day, having already given a "home town" discount once before. It's now January (we always hear how players like to sign early; they want their families situated, buying a house, etc) and it looks like Gordon and his agent misjudged Alex's market. In a market that typically overpays, Gordon (and many others within the industry) thought he could surely get 100 million dollars somewhere... Now it looks like he and his agent running home with their tails between their legs, hat in hand, bend in knees. Were there even any other rumored offers out to him? He seems like a good guy and is a nice player, but let's not kid ourselves; if he'd received a 100M dollar offer, he would have accepted in a heartbeat.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 6, 2016 14:59:01 GMT -5
The only thing I saw was Nightengale (USAToday) saying that CWS didn't want to go more than 3 on Cespedes or Gordon. So, in years at least, he didn't take a discount compared to that . . .
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jan 8, 2016 8:45:39 GMT -5
The only thing I saw was Nightengale (USAToday) saying that CWS didn't want to go more than 3 on Cespedes or Gordon. So, in years at least, he didn't take a discount compared to that . . . I know Gordon is older than Cespedes & Upton, & he may have signed for slightly less than market value with KC & he may have given a hometown discount. With that being said, do you think the market has cooled a bit for the other 2 OFers? With the recent horrendous contracts for Werth, Crawford, Ellsbury, ect. are teams shying away from these 9 figure deals? Would this open up the Sox to sign Upton to say 4/85?
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Post by notguilty on Jan 8, 2016 9:01:53 GMT -5
I think this may actually be something the Red Sox have to look into-
-OF prices appear to be cooling off to a level where you have to think about it, for somebody like Upton
-Next year's FA list isn't compelling, and Ortiz is retiring.
-But the Sox have a full outfield, with two major question marks - Castillo and JBJ. I think you go with JBJ, but I wonder if there's a point at which you can bring in an Upton and send a subsidized Castillo somewhere else - like if Upton can be had for 70-80, you eat 20 on the 60 left for Castillo and send him somewhere else.
-You have to think they really don't have a lot of money flexibility left, but wondering if it may be worth adding up this year a little bit. Hanley and Sandoval have really killed this team's payroll flexibility.
-One thing for sure - if one of JBJ or Rusney is struggling at some point, there'll be a lot of moaning as to why the Sox didn't consider bringing in somebody like Upton. You have to trust the kids at some point, but this is tough.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 8, 2016 12:51:53 GMT -5
I think this may actually be something the Red Sox have to look into- -OF prices appear to be cooling off to a level where you have to think about it, for somebody like Upton -Next year's FA list isn't compelling, and Ortiz is retiring. -But the Sox have a full outfield, with two major question marks - Castillo and JBJ. I think you go with JBJ, but I wonder if there's a point at which you can bring in an Upton and send a subsidized Castillo somewhere else - like if Upton can be had for 70-80, you eat 20 on the 60 left for Castillo and send him somewhere else. -You have to think they really don't have a lot of money flexibility left, but wondering if it may be worth adding up this year a little bit. Hanley and Sandoval have really killed this team's payroll flexibility. -One thing for sure - if one of JBJ or Rusney is struggling at some point, there'll be a lot of moaning as to why the Sox didn't consider bringing in somebody like Upton. You have to trust the kids at some point, but this is tough. Their payroll is pretty high as it is, but I think giving up the 12th pick of the draft to sign Upton is something they wouldn't do. Cespedes doesn't cost a draft pick, but the Sox already had him. Don't know that Dombrowski wants a reunion with him - he did trade for him in the first place, but I would think there would be some voices in the organization that don't want Cespedes back. Cespedes would be a good fit in LF, but if JBJ hits (big if, but I think he will), then all you really need is a potential stopgap to help out if Castillo struggles. I would think Benintendi would be ready within a year or so, if not sooner. Edit: Just saw the blurb about Upton possibly willing to take a one year deal. It would cost the 12th pick of the draft. The Sox would likely get that pick back again next year when Upton walks, although it wouldn't be as high as a 12th pick. If the Sox really like the talent in this year's draft, then I doubt they take the risk, even with the draft pick compensation potentially coming back.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 8, 2016 15:08:07 GMT -5
Here are some details of what the best employee in baseball was looking at once he hacked the Astros' Ground Control. Here: bit.ly/1PTwIhz
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 8, 2016 15:24:00 GMT -5
The Sox would likely get that pick back again next year when Upton walks, although it wouldn't be as high as a 12th pick. If the Sox really like the talent in this year's draft, then I doubt they take the risk, even with the draft pick compensation potentially coming back. All else being equal, I'd much rather have Upton for a season and an extra pick in 2017 to play with than the #12 pick in 2016. Of course, all else isn't equal - I assume he'd want pretty good money to take a one-year deal, and they'd probably be pushing Bradley to the bench or dealing him (or Castillo) which could have long term consequences, etc. Plus I suppose there's some slight risk that he plays so poorly that he doesn't even get QO consideration. But just on a straight value judgment the draft pick downgrade is pretty far down the list of reasons why they should/shouldn't do a deal like that. EDIT: If I'm Upton's agent, I might encourage him to look for a big one-year deal in Japan. He'd probably make nearly as much money as he would on a one-year deal here, and he'd be free of the QO restriction next season without the stigma of holding out at the start of the season.
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 8, 2016 15:55:07 GMT -5
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Post by burythehammer on Jan 8, 2016 17:45:44 GMT -5
Are they? Isn't this guy sort of taking the bullet for them?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 8, 2016 18:43:53 GMT -5
Are they? Isn't this guy sort of taking the bullet for them? In court. I think he's referring to the fact that MLB is probably going to come down on the Cards for what he did. He accessed the Astros database right before the draft and right before the trade deadline - this wasn't just to see if they had things.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 8, 2016 21:06:27 GMT -5
Here are some details of what the best employee in baseball was looking at once he hacked the Astros' Ground Control. Here: bit.ly/1PTwIhzThanks for the link. It figured that this was serous for the Feds to take on the case, and so it was. A real black eye for the Cards. All we have to do is ask what he did with the stolen data, who benefitted, and whether they knew where it had come from, for the clouds over St. Louis to grow darker. Sentencing will tell us lot. If it's lenient, he may have opened up to the FBI.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jan 8, 2016 21:22:17 GMT -5
Honestly, if it's not the Patriots supposedly cheating, then I don't think that most fans care. I can still see Goodell trying to suspend Brady over this.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 8, 2016 22:44:35 GMT -5
The Blue Jays just got Storen (and cash!) for Ben Revere and a player to be named later. The market for relievers might not be totally efficient.
EDIT: I had no idea that Ben Revere was actually pretty darn good at baseball this year. Point still stands.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 8, 2016 23:13:50 GMT -5
The Blue Jays just got Storen (and cash!) for Ben Revere and a player to be named later. The market for relievers might not be totally efficient. EDIT: I had no idea that Ben Revere was actually pretty darn good at baseball this year. Point still stands. Wait, he was? Well I guess he got the closest he ever got to a 100 wRC+ since he got that walk rate all the way up to 5%. Instead of pretty darn good, I'd call him the worst starter on a good team or an average 2nd division starter. That was a steal by the Blue Jays.
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