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Post by James Dunne on Jan 8, 2016 23:25:12 GMT -5
Yeah, not disagreeing with that. Storen is a huge get for the Jays, in exchange for a player they didn't need at all.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 9, 2016 0:46:34 GMT -5
Honestly, if it's not the Patriots supposedly cheating, then I don't think that most fans care. I can still see Goodell trying to suspend Brady over this. Goodell doesn't work for the DoJ, though, and the ball is still in their court apparently. They've spent months ripping through the most powerful sports organization in the world, FIFA, working their way right to the top. If, and it's a big if, others in the Cardinals organization knew about this, I don't think they'll look the other way and the fans will have nothing to say about it.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 9, 2016 10:50:13 GMT -5
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 9, 2016 15:47:01 GMT -5
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 10, 2016 12:35:48 GMT -5
There's few things that are as confounding to me as an MLB commissioner who actually says things that make sense from time to time. It's like seeing the sun rise in the west, a reality I never anticipated and am completely unprepared to deal with. There's a CBA coming up so that'll probably set things right. But still.
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Post by xycosis on Jan 11, 2016 10:00:56 GMT -5
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Post by humanbeingbean on Jan 11, 2016 11:40:46 GMT -5
My dad rented out a storage unit to Dan and his wife a few years ago, during the prime of his Sox tenure, and my dad raved about how down-to-earth and genuinely nice of a guy he is. Gave him an autograph and talked for a while about random things. I really, really hope he finds success in Pittsburgh. It's the place for it, that's for sure. Genuine great guy.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Jan 12, 2016 14:02:36 GMT -5
Wei-Yin Chen signs with the Marlins ESPN.comGerardo Parra has apparently come to terms on a 3yr/$26m contract with the Rockies as well according to multiple sources
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Post by jmei on Jan 12, 2016 14:07:05 GMT -5
The contract structure is very Stanton-esque. It's heavily backloaded-- the first two years (the two years before the opt-out) are super cheap at $6m and $14m, which means the Marlins are hoping Chen performs well and opts out, in which case they've just paid very below-market rates for a very good pitcher. But if his performance or health declines even a little bit, he's going to opt in to the 3/$60m left on the last three years of that deal, which would be quite onerous for a small-market team like the Marlins.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jan 13, 2016 9:08:42 GMT -5
The contract structure is very Stanton-esque. It's heavily backloaded-- the first two years (the two years before the opt-out) are super cheap at $6m and $14m, which means the Marlins are hoping Chen performs well and opts out, in which case they've just paid very below-market rates for a very good pitcher. But if his performance or health declines even a little bit, he's going to opt in to the 3/$60m left on the last three years of that deal, which would be quite onerous for a small-market team like the Marlins. Reminds me a bit like Price's deal. If he stumbles even slightly, I can't see him turning down the remaining 4/127 (32 mil per yr).
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Post by okin15 on Jan 14, 2016 12:22:03 GMT -5
This isn't directed at JMEI, but how does Miami continually get called a small market team? BR has them as the #16 market. Wikipedia has them as the 8th largest US metro area by population, and 12th by GDP (Toronto may also be above them). And some of those cities above them (LA, Chicago, NY) are split between two teams. Even if we assume that many residents are snowbirds who either aren't interested in baseball, or root for their home-town teams, there must also be a fervent group of fans who like beisbol and come from countries where that is the national sport. It seems like Loria just hasn't used the market efficiently. The sell-offs in the 90's of two championship rosters probably hurt his street cred, but you'd still think he could get way more revenue out of that city.
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Post by jmei on Jan 14, 2016 12:54:28 GMT -5
I don't disagree-- you can substitute in "small-payroll team" for "small-market team" if you like.
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Post by raftsox on Jan 14, 2016 13:48:02 GMT -5
The contract structure is very Stanton-esque. It's heavily backloaded-- the first two years (the two years before the opt-out) are super cheap at $6m and $14m, which means the Marlins are hoping Chen performs well and opts out, in which case they've just paid very below-market rates for a very good pitcher. But if his performance or health declines even a little bit, he's going to opt in to the 3/$60m left on the last three years of that deal, which would be quite onerous for a small-market team like the Marlins. This is interesting. Its almost as if MLB contracts are emulating NFL contracts wherein the "printed price" is greater than the amount actually paid. These backloaded contracts with early opt-outs look nice, until you think about how the player isn't getting a lot of the money (Stanton's is horrible). The whole thing depends on convincing the player that salaries in year X+1 will be so much greater than they are now that it's a huge bargain for them. Meanwhile the agent looks like he's amazing for getting "largest contract ever for Y type of player", and the owner of a team like the Marlins has to pay virtually nothing while getting tons of value. And, if the player is injured and doesn't opt-out they're viewed as an Albatross because they now cost $35M/year.
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Post by mgoetze on Jan 14, 2016 16:26:49 GMT -5
Its almost as if MLB contracts are emulating NFL contracts wherein the "printed price" is greater than the amount actually paid. These backloaded contracts with early opt-outs look nice, until you think about how the player isn't getting a lot of the money (Stanton's is horrible). Uhm, there's a huge difference between MLB contracts and NFL contracts. If Stanton or Chen sucks, they still get the money. If an NFL player sucks, they get cut and it suddenly turns out all that money wasn't guaranteed. The "opt-out" is a player option, exactly the opposite of an NFL contract which has a whole load of team options.
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Post by nomar on Jan 14, 2016 17:29:27 GMT -5
Yeah the players are winning here
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Post by raftsox on Jan 14, 2016 18:52:09 GMT -5
Its almost as if MLB contracts are emulating NFL contracts wherein the "printed price" is greater than the amount actually paid. These backloaded contracts with early opt-outs look nice, until you think about how the player isn't getting a lot of the money (Stanton's is horrible). Uhm, there's a huge difference between MLB contracts and NFL contracts. If Stanton or Chen sucks, they still get the money. If an NFL player sucks, they get cut and it suddenly turns out all that money wasn't guaranteed. The "opt-out" is a player option, exactly the opposite of an NFL contract which has a whole load of team options. Yeah, that's not actually what I was saying. I said that they're becoming similar (or not identical) to nfl contracts in that the agent gets credit for a huge contract, while the player is underpaid in actual dollars (ya know, because they're backloaded). The saving grace is that they aren't exactly like nfl contracts because they are guaranteed in case the player is terrible or injured.
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Post by mgoetze on Jan 15, 2016 3:10:26 GMT -5
I said that they're becoming similar (or not identical) to nfl contracts in that the agent gets credit for a huge contract, while the player is underpaid in actual dollars (ya know, because they're backloaded). But they're not underpaid - they actually get actual dollars. Yes, of course the Net Present Value of the contract is less than the total payout, but the same is true of a contract with even payments, and unless you're talking about the Scherzer contract, the difference is really marginal. And if your argument is that they will not get those dollars because they will opt out, that's silly, because they'll only opt out if they're going to get more.
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Post by jmei on Jan 15, 2016 7:16:41 GMT -5
Yeah, not to rehash things, but this trend towards opt-outs is undoubtedly player-friendly. Owners are betting on continued salary inflation. With the RSN/TV bubble just about at its peak and the cable industry facing an uncertain future, I'm not so sure that's a good bet.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 15, 2016 9:55:59 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 15, 2016 10:07:33 GMT -5
That is surprising to me. I'm sure they don't make much money so cutting positions wouldn't really have much effect on the bottom line. Maybe teams have access to increased camera angles and can scout effectively that way?
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Post by jmei on Jan 15, 2016 10:33:09 GMT -5
It's not just about improvement of video, but also that PITCHf/x (and its hitting and defense analogues) allow the analytics staff to take over a lot of the advance scouting functions that used to require scouts to go out on the road.
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Post by ryantoworkman on Jan 16, 2016 8:47:08 GMT -5
Chris Davis back to Orioles, 7/161
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Post by nomar on Jan 16, 2016 10:19:02 GMT -5
Chris Davis back to Orioles, 7/161 Well they'll be back to terrible in a few years unless Gausman and Bundy pan out.
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Post by fan72 on Jan 16, 2016 10:44:57 GMT -5
If Angelos does not loosen his purse strings this contract could cripple the Orioles for years.
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Post by fan72 on Jan 16, 2016 10:51:12 GMT -5
How does Scott boras keep getting contracts like this for his players. I thought Ian Kennedy would have to settle for a 2 year contract, and he received a 5 year contract with an opt out. There is always an owner that buckles to him and he knows this.
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