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What Do You Do With Joe Kelly?
radiohix
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Post by radiohix on May 6, 2016 16:29:45 GMT -5
OK, and this relates to the Sox bullpen how? Yes, Tazawa, Uehara and Kimbrell all have fairly neutral splits. But Smith and Hembree have normal splits (so far) and Barnes has been downright terrible vs. LHB. (Also, what Eric said.) Barnes and Hembree have typically been used for multiple innings so far, not situational. Carson Smith may have a slight split, but he's still pretty elite vs LHB and then you also have to be careful of which teams have a RHB on the bench who could nullify Layne. I'd take Smith vs a LHB before Layne vs a RH PH. In the AL East, Layne would be useful vs. Chris Davis and ... Dickerson and maybe McCann. But seriously, how many high leverage situations in the season where one of this guys is the tieing/leading run at the plate? Not too many to justify carrying him in the 25 man roster. Just DFA him and give his spot to someone usefull (position player)
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Post by grandsalami on May 6, 2016 17:57:51 GMT -5
NEW YORK — Moving Joe Kelly to the bullpen wouldn't be a new discussion, but it is not a present discussion, Red Sox president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski said Friday afternoon at Yankee Stadium. “In fact, one of my first meetings (once I joined the Red Sox), the staff talked about him potentially going into the bullpen,” Dombrowski said. “We had a lot of injuries at that time, a lot of guys that were tired. So it was decided to keep him in the rotation and he pitched very well. “It’s not something we’re discussing at this point, and our bullpen’s pretty deep as it is right now.” Kelly on Friday night was slated to make his first rehab start, with Triple-A Pawtucket, as he comes back from an impingement in his throwing (right) shoulder. Kelly needs at least two rehab starts before he could return, but may well need more. Still, the rotation will quickly grow crowded if both Eduardo Rodriguez and Kelly are available to re-enter it in good health soon. www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/clubhouse_insider/2016/05/red_sox_not_considering_moving_joe_kelly_to_bullpen
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Post by dnfl333 on May 7, 2016 21:08:17 GMT -5
Trade bait while the stock is high
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Post by kyla13 on May 7, 2016 22:24:30 GMT -5
Trade bait while the stock is high It is?
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Post by telson13 on May 8, 2016 0:12:18 GMT -5
Trade bait while the stock is high It is? Yeah, it may not be "high," but when Ian Kennedy is getting 5/70, and a team is rushing to give away Dansby Swanson, Ender Inciarte, and some legitimate prospects like Blair et al for basically a #3 with upside (who's gotten shelled this year, btw)...well, it may not be as low as you'd think.
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ericmvan
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Post by ericmvan on May 8, 2016 1:13:35 GMT -5
Yeah, it may not be "high," but when Ian Kennedy is getting 5/70, and a team is rushing to give away Dansby Swanson, Ender Inciarte, and some legitimate prospects like Blair et al for basically a #3 with upside (who's gotten shelled this year, btw)...well, it may not be as low as you'd think. If he's great in his rehab starts and maybe one or two after he's optioned, you would certainly entertain trade offers. But you would want one or ideally two of Owens, Johnson, or Elias to be pitching well if you do that. You don't really want to deal your sixth best starter if there's any kind of sizeable drop-off to the 7th.
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Post by telson13 on May 8, 2016 10:26:12 GMT -5
Yeah, it may not be "high," but when Ian Kennedy is getting 5/70, and a team is rushing to give away Dansby Swanson, Ender Inciarte, and some legitimate prospects like Blair et al for basically a #3 with upside (who's gotten shelled this year, btw)...well, it may not be as low as you'd think. If he's great in his rehab starts and maybe one or two after he's optioned, you would certainly entertain trade offers. But you would want one or ideally two of Owens, Johnson, or Elias to be pitching well if you do that. You don't really want to deal your sixth best starter if there's any kind of sizeable drop-off to the 7th. Yeah, my inclination is to keep him for now, for exactly that reason. I think trading him makes sense only if a team (desperate contender with some sudden big holes) makes an offer the Sox can't refuse.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 8, 2016 12:25:13 GMT -5
Why dont they just keep Kelly in AAA?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 8, 2016 13:01:13 GMT -5
Yeah, it may not be "high," but when Ian Kennedy is getting 5/70, and a team is rushing to give away Dansby Swanson, Ender Inciarte, and some legitimate prospects like Blair et al for basically a #3 with upside (who's gotten shelled this year, btw)...well, it may not be as low as you'd think. I wouldn't go that far with Kelly. Kennedy, as mediocre as he's been, to put it charitably, had the "cache" of being a 20 game winner at some point (yes, I know that really doesn't mean that much) and a guy who pitched a good amount of innings. At some point he was toward the top of a rotation. Kelly has neither of those attributes. He pitched well in 2013, with most of those appearances in relief, and he's barely ever topped 130 innings in a season. Likely, he's a throw-in or a lesser piece of a trade.
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Post by telson13 on May 8, 2016 18:05:04 GMT -5
Yeah, it may not be "high," but when Ian Kennedy is getting 5/70, and a team is rushing to give away Dansby Swanson, Ender Inciarte, and some legitimate prospects like Blair et al for basically a #3 with upside (who's gotten shelled this year, btw)...well, it may not be as low as you'd think. I wouldn't go that far with Kelly. Kennedy, as mediocre as he's been, to put it charitably, had the "cache" of being a 20 game winner at some point (yes, I know that really doesn't mean that much) and a guy who pitched a good amount of innings. At some point he was toward the top of a rotation. Kelly has neither of those attributes. He pitched well in 2013, with most of those appearances in relief, and he's barely ever topped 130 innings in a season. Likely, he's a throw-in or a lesser piece of a trade. I'm not saying that he's either of those two, although he has some perceived upside that Kennedy doesn't. My point was simply that he's probably more valuable than people think.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 9, 2016 8:59:37 GMT -5
I let Joe Kelly get healthy then leave him as a starter. It's all about the depth. Buchholz will go down at some point. The hope is that Price, Porcello and Wright should all give you innings. The last two spots will go to whoever is healthy and pitching well at the time. Buchholz and Rodriguez hopefully. If all are healthy when Rodriguez and Kelly are ready it will be interesting to see what they do. My guess is one of these two stays in AAA.
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Post by dmaineah on May 9, 2016 10:27:17 GMT -5
Give him 1 more rehab start then call him up, put him back in the rotation & send down/DFA O'Sullivan. They should be actively exploring trades for O'Sullivan right now.
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Post by jmei on May 9, 2016 10:54:33 GMT -5
Give him 1 more rehab start then call him up, put him back in the rotation & send down/DFA O'Sullivan. They should be actively exploring trades for O'Sullivan right now. O'Sullivan is a placeholder for Eduardo Rodriguez, who is likely to be called and take O'Sullivan's rotation spot after O'Sullivan's start on Tuesday.
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Post by dmaineah on May 9, 2016 10:59:07 GMT -5
Give him 1 more rehab start then call him up, put him back in the rotation & send down/DFA O'Sullivan. They should be actively exploring trades for O'Sullivan right now. O'Sullivan is a placeholder for Eduardo Rodriguez, who is likely to be called and take O'Sullivan's rotation spot after O'Sullivan's start on Tuesday. I think they leave E Rod on his rehab for at least 1 more start. I think Kelly will be back first.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 9, 2016 11:14:02 GMT -5
Why is everyone acting like its a foregone conclusion Kelly rejoins the rotation? He has never really been that good and he would be displaci a better player likely. Yes, even Buchholz is better.
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radiohix
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Post by radiohix on May 9, 2016 11:58:26 GMT -5
Why is everyone acting like its a foregone conclusion Kelly rejoins the rotation? He has never really been that good and he would be displaci a better player likely. Yes, even Buchholz is better. Yeah this and I would add that Clay is more durable! I guess people love reading radar guns or something 'cause Kelly is not good and not very durable. I'll take a healthy Johnson over him any day.
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Post by mgoetze on May 9, 2016 13:19:09 GMT -5
Why is everyone acting like its a foregone conclusion Kelly rejoins the rotation? He has never really been that good and he would be displaci a better player likely. Yes, even Buchholz is better. Who is this "everyone"? Have you checked the results of the poll in this very thread?
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 9, 2016 14:06:03 GMT -5
I meant the media.
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ericmvan
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Post by ericmvan on May 9, 2016 14:38:58 GMT -5
And if by that you mean Abrahams and especially Cafardo, do you really need an answer?
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Post by sox fan in nc on May 10, 2016 8:37:18 GMT -5
O'Sullivan is going 7 2/3 of 1 run ball tonight. Guys like this (underdogs like Daniel Nava) seem to grow a pair when they get a shot. Then we have a good problem.
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Post by bosox89 on May 10, 2016 17:53:11 GMT -5
Heard E-Rod has been topping out at 93 MPH. Could we see a scenario where they give E-Rod the rest of May to get right in Pawtucket and we see Kelly in the meantime?
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Post by sox fan in nc on May 11, 2016 9:21:58 GMT -5
Heard E-Rod has been topping out at 93 MPH. Could we see a scenario where they give E-Rod the rest of May to get right in Pawtucket and we see Kelly in the meantime? Agree....E-Rod is basically nearing the end of his "Spring Training", If Kelly's ready, Price/Wright/Porcello/Buch/Kelly. When E-Rod's fully ready, Kelly goes to the pen, or if Kelly's pitching well, Buch may have an "oblique" strain.
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fenwayfaithful
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Post by fenwayfaithful on May 13, 2016 0:13:01 GMT -5
I say give him 3-4 starts. Depending how he pitches will make your decision. Wright basically took his spot but Buchholz has been terrible no matter how good he "use to be" you play the best team.
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