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The Struggles of David Price
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Post by pedey on May 8, 2016 15:12:37 GMT -5
Price has struggled terribly this year. I think there should be a thread discussing this. I haven't paid a lot of attention to his stuff/control/velocity because I haven't been able to watch many games this year, so i guess i dont see why he has pitched so poorly. But the numbers have been downright awful. Is there any explanation? Is he unable to handle Bostons media? Is it time to be concerned about him?
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Post by mgoetze on May 8, 2016 15:46:42 GMT -5
But the numbers have been ...pretty good, actually. 2.99 SIERA 2.95 xFIP 2.93 FIP
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Post by steveofbradenton on May 8, 2016 15:52:32 GMT -5
It seems to me Price is getting to 0-2 or 1-2 and then can't put them away. His lower velo is one reason, but his command has been un-Price. It is mystifying want has happened for the 1st 5 weeks of the season. I'm so used to watching in Tampa control a game and often dominate a line-up.
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Post by radiohix on May 8, 2016 15:53:03 GMT -5
After Pedroia the hitting coach "fixing" Napoli's swing last year, we have now Pedroia the pitching coach hehe
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Post by humanbeingbean on May 8, 2016 16:00:48 GMT -5
I think Dustin's immediately going to become manager once he retires as a Sox lifer.
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Post by grandsalami on May 8, 2016 16:02:45 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on May 8, 2016 16:35:34 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on May 8, 2016 16:38:47 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on May 8, 2016 16:45:08 GMT -5
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Post by burythehammer on May 8, 2016 17:49:13 GMT -5
But the numbers have been ...pretty good, actually. 2.99 SIERA 2.95 xFIP 2.93 FIP This is cold comfort when he's topping out at 92.
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Post by telson13 on May 8, 2016 18:02:54 GMT -5
...pretty good, actually. 2.99 SIERA 2.95 xFIP 2.93 FIP This is cold comfort when he's topping out at 92. Well, he's averaging 92, but that's still down 2 mph, which is bad news. So unless he's over-striding and stopping his momentum with the front leg, I'm not sure a simple mechanical issue accounts for the huge FB velo drop.
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 8, 2016 19:41:47 GMT -5
This is cold comfort when he's topping out at 92. Well, he's averaging 92, but that's still down 2 mph, which is bad news. So unless he's over-striding and stopping his momentum with the front leg, I'm not sure a simple mechanical issue accounts for the huge FB velo drop. Who knows, but according to that article, "Price feels his velocity could be improved because as he’s thrown lately, he hasn’t put himself in the best power position." Since we're only talking 1-2 mph on average, that seems plausible. Maybe this issue is particularly notable when there are guys on base, resulting in his putrid numbers in those situations.
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Post by okin15 on May 9, 2016 7:41:42 GMT -5
Was at the game Saturday, and Price looked mediocre early, and then terrible late, when he started giving up walks. He was pressing then. He definitely looked more disjointed out of the stretch. I'm generally skeptical of quick fixes like this, but it seems like it was a major flaw, and perhaps it really will be a big deal if and when he can repeat his typical delivery. I'd be very happy for him to give up some more steals if he needs to focus on the leg kick out of the stretch for a while.
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Post by sox fan in nc on May 9, 2016 9:54:23 GMT -5
Remember all those years in TB he started the year in the Trop. Not sure if playing basically the whole month this year in (fairly) cold weather has affected him. He might not yet be thawed out yet. Not sure how he did in Detroit last year to begin the year.
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Post by tjb21 on May 9, 2016 10:21:00 GMT -5
I'm not worried. Other burners are still getting their velocity up to normal levels this year.
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Post by dmaineah on May 9, 2016 10:55:32 GMT -5
This is what I think they should do;
Give Kelly 1 more rehab start (Wednesday). Then call both Kelly & E Rod back up for the Starting Rotation. Trade/DFA O,Sullivan, Trade/DFA Layne, move Price to the Pen, send down Hembree, add Sam Travis to the 40 man Roster and call him up. Rotation; Porcello, Wright, Buchholz, Kelly, E Rod. Pen; Kimbrel, Price, Uehara, Smith, Tazawa, Ross & Barnes.
After a few weeks, when Price gets his act together, move him back to the Rotation.
Crazy, I know.
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Post by zoot on May 9, 2016 11:45:00 GMT -5
This is what I think they should do; Give Kelly 1 more rehab start (Wednesday). Then call both Kelly & E Rod back up for the Starting Rotation. Trade/DFA O,Sullivan, Trade/DFA Layne, move Price to the Pen, send down Hembree, add Sam Travis to the 40 man Roster and call him up. Rotation; Porcello, Wright, Buchholz, Kelly, E Rod. Pen; Kimbrel, Price, Uehara, Smith, Tazawa, Ross & Barnes. After a few weeks, when Price gets his act together, move him back to the Rotation. Crazy, I know. Well, you got the last part right at least.
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Post by bosox81 on May 9, 2016 11:49:12 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 9, 2016 13:00:29 GMT -5
This is what I think they should do; Give Kelly 1 more rehab start (Wednesday). Then call both Kelly & E Rod back up for the Starting Rotation. Trade/DFA O,Sullivan, Trade/DFA Layne, move Price to the Pen, send down Hembree, add Sam Travis to the 40 man Roster and call him up. Rotation; Porcello, Wright, Buchholz, Kelly, E Rod. Pen; Kimbrel, Price, Uehara, Smith, Tazawa, Ross & Barnes. After a few weeks, when Price gets his act together, move him back to the Rotation. Crazy, I know. Actually that's totally foolish and extremely reactionary. The man will figure it out (he might already have Pedroia's help to do so). He's got the track record. Don't understand what sense it makes to "punish" David Price so you can get the superstar Joe Kelly a start. C'mon man.
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Post by okin15 on May 9, 2016 14:59:46 GMT -5
There definitely has been some bad luck, as evidenced by his .373 BABIP so far in 2016. On Saturday, he suffered from some infield hits, a bunt, a couple balls that fell just in front of out-fielders, and ropes that just missed being foul, but he also walked two guys during his worst inning, and definitely pitched worse out of the stretch, meaning that his (lack of) stranded runners (bad) luck is partly his own fault.
If this Pedroia solution doesn't fix him, you put him on the DL (eventually), not in the relief corps though, cause he'll need bullpens and rehab starts, not single innings on zero rest to get back to being Price. It's a little terrifying that our expensive ace can be so fragile.
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Post by iakovos11 on May 9, 2016 15:13:19 GMT -5
This is what I think they should do; Give Kelly 1 more rehab start (Wednesday). Then call both Kelly & E Rod back up for the Starting Rotation. Trade/DFA O,Sullivan, Trade/DFA Layne, move Price to the Pen, send down Hembree, add Sam Travis to the 40 man Roster and call him up. Rotation; Porcello, Wright, Buchholz, Kelly, E Rod. Pen; Kimbrel, Price, Uehara, Smith, Tazawa, Ross & Barnes. After a few weeks, when Price gets his act together, move him back to the Rotation. Crazy, I know. I mean this is the nicest and most respectful way (truly): This might be the worst suggestion/post in the history of this board, or damn near it. What the hell are you thinking? Wait - don't answer that.
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Post by mredsox89 on May 9, 2016 15:18:29 GMT -5
It is nice to see that a high paid guy that is struggling is fully taking it in and acknowledging it. I don't seem to remember much from Crawford along these lines, and Gonzalez never seemed to take full responsibility, though he was actually pretty good, just not necessarily the star he could/should have been.
Unless he's hurt, which I think could be the case, I'm not worried. Just about every advanced metric has him pitching well, and when paired with his track record, it provides a sense of relief. Now if he's hurt and that's why his velocity is down, that's another thing. If there is no current known injury and his velocity is still down come the end of May and into June and the results still aren't there, it might be time for some concern
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Post by thursty on May 9, 2016 15:42:53 GMT -5
This is what I think they should do; Give Kelly 1 more rehab start (Wednesday). Then call both Kelly & E Rod back up for the Starting Rotation. Trade/DFA O,Sullivan, Trade/DFA Layne, move Price to the Pen, send down Hembree, add Sam Travis to the 40 man Roster and call him up. Rotation; Porcello, Wright, Buchholz, Kelly, E Rod. Pen; Kimbrel, Price, Uehara, Smith, Tazawa, Ross & Barnes. After a few weeks, when Price gets his act together, move him back to the Rotation. Crazy, I know. I mean this is the nicest and most respectful way (truly): This might be the worst suggestion/post in the history of this board, or damn near it. What the hell are you thinking? Wait - don't answer that. The worst. The worst? How about JBJ has a 4-win *floor*? It's inane, but not really a black swan on this board
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Post by jrffam05 on May 9, 2016 15:49:28 GMT -5
I mean this is the nicest and most respectful way (truly): This might be the worst suggestion/post in the history of this board, or damn near it. What the hell are you thinking? Wait - don't answer that. The worst. The worst? How about JBJ has a 4-win *floor*? It's inane, but not really a black swan on this board JBJ has a much better chance of putting up a 4 win season this year than Price has of getting moved to the bullpen. In fact I think he is well onto that pace so far this season once the defensive metrics normalize out. While I disagree that his floor is 4 wins, that statement is based off a logical thought process, while moving Price to the bullpen and keeping Buchholz in the rotation is not. Edit: I just want to clarify, I do think JBJ has a very high floor, I just think the original posters comments were a bit too optimistic. The same poster made quite a few optimistic posts about Wright as well.
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Post by radiohix on May 9, 2016 16:21:43 GMT -5
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