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5/22 Gameday Thread: Take me out to the Trey Ball game!
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Post by iakovos11 on May 22, 2016 6:27:17 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on May 22, 2016 13:54:56 GMT -5
Watch Benny Baseball playing like a man on a mission today.
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Post by telson13 on May 22, 2016 15:25:59 GMT -5
Nice efficient first for Ball. Be nice if he kept up what he's been doing.
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Post by honestlyabe on May 22, 2016 16:09:01 GMT -5
2 hits and 2 K's through 4 for Trey. An efficient 38 pitches, 30 for strikes. Our turkey is molting into a phoenix.
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Post by telson13 on May 22, 2016 16:12:20 GMT -5
Ball now with 38 pitches, 30 for strikes...in 4 innings. Only 2 K but no walks. Something's clicking for him.
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Post by telson13 on May 22, 2016 16:15:42 GMT -5
Ha! Beat me to it.
At 21 in high A, he's still pretty young and relatively age-advanced. He's clearly never going to sit 92-94 like some of us had hoped, but even at 90-93, he's got solid velocity for a LH, and he has two secondaries that grade out as average or slightly better. Still a fair chance he becomes a viable, even quality MLB starter.
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Post by cologneredsox on May 22, 2016 16:41:23 GMT -5
Ha! Beat me to it. At 21 in high A, he's still pretty young and relatively age-advanced. He's clearly never going to sit 92-94 like some of us had hoped, but even at 90-93, he's got solid velocity for a LH, and he has two secondaries that grade out as average or slightly better. Still a fair chance he becomes a viable, even quality MLB starter. I that already clear?
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Post by telluricrook on May 22, 2016 17:45:18 GMT -5
What kind of idiot schedules a doubleheader on a rainy day?
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Post by telson13 on May 22, 2016 17:59:56 GMT -5
Ha! Beat me to it. At 21 in high A, he's still pretty young and relatively age-advanced. He's clearly never going to sit 92-94 like some of us had hoped, but even at 90-93, he's got solid velocity for a LH, and he has two secondaries that grade out as average or slightly better. Still a fair chance he becomes a viable, even quality MLB starter. I that already clear? Well, historically pitchers' velocity peaks at age 21-22, and stays relatively steady through 25-26. After that there's usually a small (1 mph) decline, with a slow downward trend until the early 30s, after which there's usually another, more significant drop. So, I should've said "The odds are highly against him ever sitting 92-94..." There are guys who improve their velocity in their mid-20s (Chicago's Quintana is a great example; Cliff Lee did very slightly in his late 20s too), but it's not the norm.
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Post by cologneredsox on May 22, 2016 18:11:28 GMT -5
Well, historically pitchers' velocity peaks at age 21-22, and stays relatively steady through 25-26. After that there's usually a small (1 mph) decline, with a slow downward trend until the early 30s, after which there's usually another, more significant drop. So, I should've said "The odds are highly against him ever sitting 92-94..." There are guys who improve their velocity in their mid-20s (Chicago's Quintana is a great example; Cliff Lee did very slightly in his late 20s too), but it's not the norm. Are there velocity reports from his recent starts? I guess his velocity will peak in his coming starts since he was injured and got a late start to the season. You might be totally right, I still hope for a little bit of extra, since he was always very projectable but never had a season in which everything seemed to click.
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Post by joshv02 on May 22, 2016 18:38:37 GMT -5
Well, historically pitchers' velocity peaks at age 21-22, and stays relatively steady through 25-26. After that there's usually a small (1 mph) decline, with a slow downward trend until the early 30s, after which there's usually another, more significant drop. So, I should've said "The odds are highly against him ever sitting 92-94..." There are guys who improve their velocity in their mid-20s (Chicago's Quintana is a great example; Cliff Lee did very slightly in his late 20s too), but it's not the norm. Wouldn't that data be only for the selected group of pitchers in the majors?
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Post by James Dunne on May 22, 2016 18:41:32 GMT -5
What kind of idiot schedules a doubleheader on a rainy day? The Sea Dogs don't come back to Altoona this year. So it was more of a case of trying to get it in while they had the chance.
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Post by thebogeyman on May 22, 2016 18:43:00 GMT -5
Well, historically pitchers' velocity peaks at age 21-22, and stays relatively steady through 25-26. After that there's usually a small (1 mph) decline, with a slow downward trend until the early 30s, after which there's usually another, more significant drop. So, I should've said "The odds are highly against him ever sitting 92-94..." There are guys who improve their velocity in their mid-20s (Chicago's Quintana is a great example; Cliff Lee did very slightly in his late 20s too), but it's not the norm. Are there velocity reports from his recent starts? I guess his velocity will peak in his coming starts since he was injured and got a late start to the season. You might be totally right, I still hope for a little bit of extra, since he was always very projectable but never had a season in which everything seemed to click. I haven't seen any of his starts, but I thought someone mentioned in a gameday thread recently that he was sitting 93-96 this season. I'm not sure if that was a weird stadium gun or if his velocity is actually up, but it would certainly be a good sign, if true.
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Post by alnipper on May 22, 2016 20:32:59 GMT -5
Poyner with two more scoreless innings and yet to walk a batter this season. He should be promoted shortly, since he already is 23.
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Post by telson13 on May 22, 2016 20:51:10 GMT -5
Well, historically pitchers' velocity peaks at age 21-22, and stays relatively steady through 25-26. After that there's usually a small (1 mph) decline, with a slow downward trend until the early 30s, after which there's usually another, more significant drop. So, I should've said "The odds are highly against him ever sitting 92-94..." There are guys who improve their velocity in their mid-20s (Chicago's Quintana is a great example; Cliff Lee did very slightly in his late 20s too), but it's not the norm. Are there velocity reports from his recent starts? I guess his velocity will peak in his coming starts since he was injured and got a late start to the season. You might be totally right, I still hope for a little bit of extra, since he was always very projectable but never had a season in which everything seemed to click. I put the link up somewhere in another thread but can't find it now. Think it was Speier in 108 stitches saying 89-93 on the FB in his last start. True, he might tick up mid-summer. And some guys who struggle with control/command gain a little velo when they stop having to "guide" the ball (Lee was like that). But it'd be unusual for Ball to sit 2 mph faster. I certainly hope he does; his change showed flashes of being plus, and his curve is fringy to average with a chance to get better. As a cold-weather guy he may have some more development to do physically/motor-skills-wise, too. I guess I'd say I hope his stuff ticks up, but I don't expect it to. If he can stay efficient like he's been this year, he certainly could become a weak-contact #3-type starter. Obviously, there's always a chance at more, but there's nothing about him right now beyond his draft position that says "TOR." Caveat: I would absolutely LOVE for him to prove me wrong.
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Post by telson13 on May 22, 2016 20:55:05 GMT -5
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Post by kman22 on May 22, 2016 21:14:46 GMT -5
Was this supposed to be today's post? Couldn't find the blurb on Ball when I clicked.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 22, 2016 21:31:37 GMT -5
Red Sox Stats @redsoxstats 15m15 minutes ago Haven't been able to confirm why Moncada was in Florida today instead of in Salem for their game.
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Post by Costigan on May 22, 2016 22:08:37 GMT -5
Red Sox Stats @redsoxstats 15m15 minutes ago Haven't been able to confirm why Moncada was in Florida today instead of in Salem for their game. Beginning a positional change?
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Post by templeusox on May 22, 2016 22:18:15 GMT -5
Red Sox Stats @redsoxstats 15m15 minutes ago Haven't been able to confirm why Moncada was in Florida today instead of in Salem for their game. Probably traded for Drew Smyly.
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Post by telson13 on May 23, 2016 1:30:04 GMT -5
Was this supposed to be today's post? Couldn't find the blurb on Ball when I clicked. Ahhh...not sure why it did that, tried to link out of my email. Here's what he said: (May 17th 108 stitches) "In High A Salem, lefthander Trey Ball continued his excellent start to the 2016 season, logging a career-high seven innings in which he scattered five hits without yielding a walk or a run against a lineup comprised entirely of righties. On a night when his fastball was 89-93 mph, Ball punched out six, a mark that tied the third highest game total of his career. Ball started to incorporate a slider/cutter into his fastball/curveball/changeup mix last year, and early in 2016, that pitch has been a weapon for him, permitting him (in conjunction with a changeup that got six swings and misses on Monday) to tie up righties (.194 average against) and lefties (.083). The 21-year-old, a 2013 first-rounder, is now 2-0 with a 1.96 ERA, 15 strikeouts, and nine walks in 23 innings."
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 23, 2016 2:58:31 GMT -5
Are there velocity reports from his recent starts? I guess his velocity will peak in his coming starts since he was injured and got a late start to the season. You might be totally right, I still hope for a little bit of extra, since he was always very projectable but never had a season in which everything seemed to click. I put the link up somewhere in another thread but can't find it now. Think it was Speier in 108 stitches saying 89-93 on the FB in his last start. True, he might tick up mid-summer. And some guys who struggle with control/command gain a little velo when they stop having to "guide" the ball (Lee was like that). But it'd be unusual for Ball to sit 2 mph faster. I certainly hope he does; his change showed flashes of being plus, and his curve is fringy to average with a chance to get better. As a cold-weather guy he may have some more development to do physically/motor-skills-wise, too. I guess I'd say I hope his stuff ticks up, but I don't expect it to. If he can stay efficient like he's been this year, he certainly could become a weak-contact #3-type starter. Obviously, there's always a chance at more, but there's nothing about him right now beyond his draft position that says "TOR." Caveat: I would absolutely LOVE for him to prove me wrong. When you say historically pitchers velocity spikes at 21-22 is that based of a study or your own opinion? If it's a study do they give any % of players that fall into that range?
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