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Post by bosox on Jun 2, 2016 20:45:10 GMT -5
Too bad they can't get the pitching straightened out. If they stay healthy, this lineup is tough.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 2, 2016 20:45:56 GMT -5
Noe Ramirez is hilariously terrible haha
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Post by Guidas on Jun 2, 2016 20:47:24 GMT -5
Meanwhile, Toronto coming in with a rested pen and a much better pitching staff. Baltimore getting NYY.
Two pissed away games on this road trip have significantly altered the race. Sox hold 3 and 4 run leads yesterday and last Saturday and they'd be riding out of here up 4 games regardless of how this one went. Now they'll leave up 1 and face one of the hotter teams in the league for the weekend.
This may be a play-off performing offense but it's a last place performing pitching staff with a manager who has no idea how to manage a pen. Something will have to give soon.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 2, 2016 20:48:14 GMT -5
If bogeys single cleared the fence every run would have came from a home run.
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Post by jbuttah on Jun 2, 2016 20:49:44 GMT -5
Why was Hembree so upset again? So far, DD's roster management has not been stellar. And with someone with the reputation as some kind of pitching guru, Farrell's bullpen management is bizarre.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 2, 2016 20:51:24 GMT -5
This whole thing could unravel on us real quick in this coming week if Porcello and Wright come back to earth and the BP continues to pitch like this. This is an embarrassment. Get Heath Hembree back up here yesterday 10 day wait unless someone is injured.
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Post by jbuttah on Jun 2, 2016 20:52:59 GMT -5
This whole thing could unravel on us real quick in this coming week if Porcello and Wright come back to earth and the BP continues to pitch like this. This is an embarrassment. Get Heath Hembree back up here yesterday 10 day wait unless someone is injured. Phantom (or possibly real) dl trip for Tazawa.
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Post by bookiemetts on Jun 2, 2016 20:53:58 GMT -5
The thing is, this team doesn't need a great or even good pitching staff to win games. It just needs to not suck
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 2, 2016 20:54:28 GMT -5
Yesterday's loss is almost entirely on Kelly. I'm a big Farrell critic but the pitching just has flat out sucked all week. The Jays still I dont think are as good of a team and dont have the farm system/resources to make a move like the Sox do.
That being said its becoming pretty evident they need to acquire pitching at the deadline, ideally soon. Sucks that JBJ was missing the last two games. Could've really helped.
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Post by jbuttah on Jun 2, 2016 21:00:56 GMT -5
Yesterday's loss is almost entirely on Kelly. I'm a big Farrell critic but the pitching just has flat out sucked all week. The Jays still I dont think are as good of a team and dont have the farm system/resources to make a move like the Sox do. That being said its becoming pretty evident they need to acquire pitching at the deadline, ideally soon. With the market the way it is, I don't know that a trade is a realistic possibility. By the time teams are ready to trade away pitching without asking for the moon, the Sox might just be too far out of it.
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Post by bosox89 on Jun 2, 2016 21:01:21 GMT -5
Keep roughin the ump up Pedey
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 2, 2016 21:02:01 GMT -5
lol, good job Dustin.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 2, 2016 21:03:03 GMT -5
Yesterday's loss is almost entirely on Kelly. I'm a big Farrell critic but the pitching just has flat out sucked all week. The Jays still I dont think are as good of a team and dont have the farm system/resources to make a move like the Sox do. That being said its becoming pretty evident they need to acquire pitching at the deadline, ideally soon. With the market the way it is, I don't know that a trade is a realistic possibility. By the time teams are ready to trade away pitching without asking for the moon, the Sox might just be too far out of it. The sky is falling.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Jun 2, 2016 21:07:31 GMT -5
Yesterday's loss is almost entirely on Kelly. I'm a big Farrell critic but the pitching just has flat out sucked all week. The Jays still I dont think are as good of a team and dont have the farm system/resources to make a move like the Sox do. That being said its becoming pretty evident they need to acquire pitching at the deadline, ideally soon. With the market the way it is, I don't know that a trade is a realistic possibility. By the time teams are ready to trade away pitching without asking for the moon, the Sox might just be too far out of it. I don't think falling out of the race will be a concern as long as our lineup stays healthy...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 21:07:52 GMT -5
The thing is, this team doesn't need a great or even good pitching staff to win games. It just needs to not suck Yeah, that's what is frustrating to me. If the Sox had even an average rotation, I think they could run away with the division. Unfortunately, it is a below-average rotation. I'm afraid it might be bad enough to spoil what could be one of the better offenses in team history. The trade chips are there to get a legit #2 type guy, but I still find myself hoping the Sox hold on to all of their big prospects.
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Post by jbuttah on Jun 2, 2016 21:09:43 GMT -5
With the market the way it is, I don't know that a trade is a realistic possibility. By the time teams are ready to trade away pitching without asking for the moon, the Sox might just be too far out of it. The sky is falling. Carson Smith is out for the year, Tazawa is dead man walking, the leftie specialist can't get lefties out, 2/5 of the projected starting rotation has totally sh*t the bed, Porcello's bugaboo (hr) is coming back... so yeah, the sky has started the downward part of the journey.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 2, 2016 21:14:56 GMT -5
That was a frustrating road trip. They gave away that gave against Toronto and had a big chance to expand their lead against Baltimore.
They lost because their pitching failed, starting and relief. The Sox have very mediocre pitching. I worry about regression from Porcello and Wright. I figure Price will pitch better as the season wears on. E-Rod is the big wild card, and it's hard to count on a guy who's coming off a big injury like that, and we still don't know if he'll be right during the season.
The #5 spot has been worse than replacement level. That shouldn't be that difficult or expensive to upgrade. The question will be is the acquisition for the price better than the mess that's Buchholz and Kelly?
The bullpen is missing the depth that Carson Smith could have provided. Barnes has had his moments, but they need help there, and hopefully it shouldn't be (you'd think, but I'm thinking of what the Sox got for Andrew Miller and what they paid for Larry Andersen) overly expensive to rent bullpen help.
If E-Rod can't be a #2 and Wright settles back closer to being a #3 or #4, I think they'll need a #2 starter, but find the prices frightful.
And yeah, a LF upgrade could help, too.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 2, 2016 21:16:31 GMT -5
The Orioles are a good team and Camden is a bandbox. There is no shame in losing to a good team on the road, even though the way the last two games went was a disappointment.
I think some people might also be forgetting how many bad teams there are in the league. There will be sellers even this early. Its not even really that early anymore its June.
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Post by libertine on Jun 2, 2016 21:19:18 GMT -5
OMG! The sky is falling because we split with the 2nd place team in our division in their yard.
Not too worried about this. At least in the short term, going with a 4 man rotation, 3 of whom have been pitching effectively. Mid to longer term, sure Porcello needs to be more consistent and we have to work out the 5th starter problem. But with the offense we have, and barring any major injuries, I see this team as play-off caliber.
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Post by jbuttah on Jun 2, 2016 21:20:38 GMT -5
With the lack of FA pitching in the near future, and the lack of almost ready pitching prospects on the farm, I'd be willing to trade 2 of Swihart/Moncada/Devers/Espinoza/Kopech for a #2 type starter with multiple years of control... Jose Quintana.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 2, 2016 21:23:10 GMT -5
I hope they DFA Noe Ramirez and give Martin a shot: I really want to see what he's got.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 2, 2016 21:25:39 GMT -5
With the lack of FA pitching in the near future, and the lack of almost ready pitching prospects on the farm, I'd be willing to trade 2 of Swihart/Moncada/Devers/Espinoza/Kopech for a #2 type starter with multiple years of control... Jose Quintana. CWS are LOOKING for starting pitching help so it's not gonna happen.
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Post by jbuttah on Jun 2, 2016 21:30:56 GMT -5
With the lack of FA pitching in the near future, and the lack of almost ready pitching prospects on the farm, I'd be willing to trade 2 of Swihart/Moncada/Devers/Espinoza/Kopech for a #2 type starter with multiple years of control... Jose Quintana. CWS are LOOKING for starting pitching help so it's not gonna happen. Yeah, just throwing out a name, but I think DD is almost forced to trade for a SP. The question is will he empty the farm for a top of the rotation type starter or try another Kimbrel type trade, for example packaging Devers, Kopech, Lakins for a #4.
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Post by jmei on Jun 2, 2016 21:59:01 GMT -5
Tim Britton: Machado's career OPS 60 points better v. RHPs and 38 points better this year. But OK, take the lefty out because..... ...you need like six full seasons worth of data before observed platoon splits are more predictive than the league-average.
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Post by nomar on Jun 2, 2016 22:18:44 GMT -5
.60 points in difference is not a discernible difference IMO. I think Farrell is a bad in game manager but nights like tonight happen even when reasonable decisions are made. Shake it off, the offense is still hot. Keep winning ball games.
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