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5/30-6/2 Red Sox @ Baltimore Series Thread
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Post by station13 on Jun 2, 2016 22:38:54 GMT -5
What type of excuses is making Noe Ramirez a part of this roster? Do they need a warm body, that's it?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 2, 2016 22:45:38 GMT -5
OMG! The sky is falling because we split with the 2nd place team in our division in their yard. Not too worried about this. At least in the short term, going with a 4 man rotation, 3 of whom have been pitching effectively. Mid to longer term, sure Porcello needs to be more consistent and we have to work out the 5th starter problem. But with the offense we have, and barring any major injuries, I see this team as play-off caliber. Can't speak for others but I don't think being legitimately concerned about the pitching (there are a lot of legitimate questions/concerns about the quality and depth of the rotation and the bullpen) is the same thing as the sky is falling. I personally think the Sox are good enough to win the division or at worst be one of the two wild cards.
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Post by klostrophobic on Jun 2, 2016 23:13:27 GMT -5
What type of excuses is making Noe Ramirez a part of this roster? Do they need a warm body, that's it? Noe dea why he's up. They have plenty of space on the 40 to add someone like Kyle Martin. I guess they view Ramirez, Varvaro, Elias as pretty similar so they went with Ramirez cuz they just picked his name out of a hat? I don't think it should matter too much medium-term. Someone like Pat Light will emerge mid-season and the starting rotation could easily fall into place once they get rid of Kelly and Buchholz. Price-Wright-Porcello-Rodriguez-Prayforrain. The team is easily good enough that they'll either add a quality starter and reliever in July or someone (or two) will emerge from the minors (Owens, Johnson, Light, Wilkerson, Martin, et al.) that I don't think I'm worried too much about the piss poor results from the pitching staff thus far.
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Post by telluricrook on Jun 3, 2016 0:44:03 GMT -5
Taz said it himself in the postgame interview via an interpreter that his velocity is down because he is warmed up almost all the time.
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Post by rivenp on Jun 3, 2016 2:46:33 GMT -5
Tim Britton: Machado's career OPS 60 points better v. RHPs and 38 points better this year. But OK, take the lefty out because..... ...you need like six full seasons worth of data before observed platoon splits are more predictive than the league-average. should've just left ross in...much rather pitch around machado to get to davis...probably 80% chance of k and 20% salami.
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Post by bluechip on Jun 3, 2016 4:22:51 GMT -5
Taz said it himself in the postgame interview via an interpreter that his velocity is down because he is warmed up almost all the time. Well arm fatigue is a real thing. It's down right stupid how Farrell messes around with the pen.
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 3, 2016 6:29:28 GMT -5
Taz said it himself in the postgame interview via an interpreter that his velocity is down because he is warmed up almost all the time. Hmm, it's almost like people on here aren't just blowing hot air when they complain about Farrell.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jun 3, 2016 7:48:36 GMT -5
Taz said it himself in the postgame interview via an interpreter that his velocity is down because he is warmed up almost all the time. I saw that & was a little surprised that he said that. Almost putting blame on Farrell.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 3, 2016 8:21:38 GMT -5
He was smart to do that. He is going to be a free agent and Farrell is riding him into the ground.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 3, 2016 8:43:19 GMT -5
BTW, how's Cliff Lee doing? Is he officialy retired?
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Post by costpet on Jun 3, 2016 8:56:59 GMT -5
If good pitching beats good hitting, we are in deep trouble in the playoffs. Find a bad team going nowhere this year and grab a couple of good pitchers. Of course, we'd have to give up some prospects, but after all, they are only prospects. Nothing is guaranteed there. Outside of Bern and Monca, let them take their pick. Otherwise, we'll just have fun watching the light show every night without any hope of actually being in the WS. At least you only need 4 starters in the playoffs. The last 2 nights made me sick. Blah
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Post by Guidas on Jun 3, 2016 9:11:00 GMT -5
So is this calling out yor manager?
“Maybe because of the fact that I had gotten up and warmed up a couple games but didn’t go in the game, that might have some effect,” Tazawa
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 3, 2016 9:31:02 GMT -5
It's definitely calling him out, and it's 100% justified.
Not saying the Red Sox would've won either of the last two games with a better manager, but Farrell's moves gave them no chance. Poor bullpen management, playing Young in center - the guy just makes horrible decisions on a consistent basis.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 3, 2016 9:39:57 GMT -5
If good pitching beats good hitting, we are in deep trouble in the playoffs. Find a bad team going nowhere this year and grab a couple of good pitchers. Of course, we'd have to give up some prospects, but after all, they are only prospects. Nothing is guaranteed there. Outside of Bern and Monca, let them take their pick. Otherwise, we'll just have fun watching the light show every night without any hope of actually being in the WS. At least you only need 4 starters in the playoffs. The last 2 nights made me sick. Blah Sorry, but this so wrong on so many levels. I mean, the Mets have one of the best starting pitching we've seen in many many years (the 2013 Tigers too) and look where they ended up. "Find a bad team going nowhere this year and grab a couple of good pitchers." This doesn't adds up, just think about it for a second. "After all they're only prospects" and spelling their names wrong is the most WFAN caller ever, no disrespect.
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Post by MLBDreams on Jun 3, 2016 11:19:10 GMT -5
They had chance to win from last Fri, May 27th, Sat 28th (all at Toronto) and yesterday game with tied score after 7th inning and lost all of them with terrible bullpen staffs that failed to do the job. I liked their chance when they won first 2 games of this series and hope they take 3 out of 4 or sweep the Orioles. But it turned out ugly ending for them. We cannot blame JBJ's absence for being father time with newborn daughter and wife. It's unfortunate to put CY in CF by JF's decision (Betts should be there & CY as RFer as temporary). Yes, it's still great concerns with Joe K & Clay B being bad starter pitchers and Layne, Ross Jr, Barnes, Hembree (before demote) , Koji (on/off), Taz (on/off) and Kimbrel (on/off) didn't help at all with some poor games pitching. Noe Rameriz been disaster in every time with the call ups. It's either blame them or John Farrell with his game management. I think DD is likely search for pitching help soon. We have the offensive but have pitching concerns for winning lot of games.
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Post by Smittyw on Jun 3, 2016 12:18:47 GMT -5
If good pitching beats good hitting, we are in deep trouble in the playoffs. Find a bad team going nowhere this year and grab a couple of good pitchers. Of course, we'd have to give up some prospects, but after all, they are only prospects. Nothing is guaranteed there. Outside of Bern and Monca, let them take their pick. Otherwise, we'll just have fun watching the light show every night without any hope of actually being in the WS. At least you only need 4 starters in the playoffs. The last 2 nights made me sick. Blah Sorry, but this so wrong on so many levels. I mean, the Mets have one of the best starting pitching we've seen in many many years (the 2013 Tigers too) and look where they ended up. "Find a bad team going nowhere this year and grab a couple of good pitchers." This doesn't adds up, just think about it for a second. "After all they're only prospects" and spelling their names wrong is the most WFAN caller ever, no disrespect. Bern and Monca must be teammates of Anthony Renaldo.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 3, 2016 14:18:18 GMT -5
.60 points in difference is not a discernible difference IMO. I think Farrell is a bad in game manager but nights like tonight happen even when reasonable decisions are made. Shake it off, the offense is still hot. Keep winning ball games. I thought he brought in Ross and Tazawa at the right times. Bringing in Ramirez instead of Barnes was nonsensical and symptomatic, but proved not to matter. Here's a fun fact. The Sox are: 1- 12 when scoring 0-3 runs. They've averaged 4.5 RA. 13-5 when scoring 4 - 6 runs. They've averaged 3.8 RA. 11-5 when scoring 7 - 9 runs. They've averaged 5.9 RA. How is that humanly possible, except by bad bullpen management? (And admittedly some luck. But Farrell has managed all year as if a game, say, tied 7-7 in the 5th or 6th is a low-leverage situation that calls for his worst relievers.) They've averaged 5.7 R/G, except in games where they've allowed 9 or more runs, where they've scored 7.9 R/G. The p value on that is .055. There it is again: in the middle innings, he treats close, high-scoring games as if they were blowouts. And this team has a lot of those. They are 3 wins below their expected win total based on hitting and pitching stats. They're 1-3 in 1-run games scoring 0-3 runs. Make that record 2-11, and make the last split 13-3, and you've got a team winning up to its talent.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 3, 2016 14:19:43 GMT -5
Carson Smith is out for the year, Tazawa is dead man walking, the leftie specialist can't get lefties out, 2/5 of the projected starting rotation has totally sh*t the bed, Porcello's bugaboo (hr) is coming back... so yeah, the sky has started the downward part of the journey. And you really think Baltimore or Toronto with their pitching is going to be better?
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Post by costpet on Jun 3, 2016 14:22:33 GMT -5
Try spelling Tony C's name without looking it up. You don't like Bern and Monca. How about B and M. Or BM?
Lars Anderson, what ever happened to you?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 3, 2016 15:39:23 GMT -5
He was smart to do that. He is going to be a free agent and Farrell is riding him into the ground. I honestly don't even mind managers grinding their relievers into dust, because relievers have short shelf lives anyway, flags fly forever, etc. But if you're going to do that, at least get the innings! Wearing them out throwing warmup pitches is just asinine.
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Post by jbuttah on Jun 3, 2016 16:57:36 GMT -5
Carson Smith is out for the year, Tazawa is dead man walking, the leftie specialist can't get lefties out, 2/5 of the projected starting rotation has totally sh*t the bed, Porcello's bugaboo (hr) is coming back... so yeah, the sky has started the downward part of the journey. And you really think Baltimore or Toronto with their pitching is going to be better? Well, Toronto's pitching is ranked 2nd in the AL, so there's that. The Sox have a run differential of +71 yet they only have a 1 game lead on the Orioles with a differential of +17. Besides, it's not a matter of will other AL East teams be better, but rather what is the likelihood that the Sox make the WS. With their resources, the signing of Price, the trade for Kimbrel/Smith, I did have expectations of going far in the playoffs.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 3, 2016 17:35:18 GMT -5
Try spelling Tony C's name without looking it up. You don't like Bern and Monca. How about B and M. Or BM? Lars Anderson, what ever happened to you? It's not too hard. Tony Conigliaro I can even spell Carl Yastrzemski without looking it up too.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 3, 2016 17:40:17 GMT -5
And you really think Baltimore or Toronto with their pitching is going to be better? Well, Toronto's pitching is ranked 2nd in the AL, so there's that. The Sox have a run differential of +71 yet they only have a 1 game lead on the Orioles with a differential of +17. Besides, it's not a matter of will other AL East teams be better, but rather what is the likelihood that the Sox make the WS. With their resources, the signing of Price, the trade for Kimbrel/Smith, I did have expectations of going far in the playoffs. If you go by ERA, but not by anything more advanced than that. And just look at their rotation. You like it?
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Post by station13 on Jun 3, 2016 17:47:44 GMT -5
Taz said it himself in the postgame interview via an interpreter that his velocity is down because he is warmed up almost all the time. I don't see that quote anywhere. I do see what where he said it might affected his splitter.
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