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Post by thursty on Jun 4, 2016 6:08:23 GMT -5
In particular, I would target Jose Quintana.
I would imagine that the Red Sox would have to include something else, who knows maybe Trey Ball would finally serve some purpose as a lottery ticket. Although I'd probably be willing to go as far as including Henry Owens.
From the Red Sox perspective:
Quintana is not an ace, but he's very good (his worst ERA- is 89 in past 4 years), very durable (200 IP last 3 years), and very cheap ($23 guaranteed through 2018, and then 2 team options at $10.5 each). And his velocity is trending up. A top-3 of Wright, Price, and Quintana would then look plausible and you fill in the final 2 spots with whatever dregs look least bad.
Losing Bradley would hurt. But he's at his highest value right now. Some regression is inevitable, but I don't know how much, and I don't think anyone can reasonably project him.
You'd replace him with Castillo; no, he won't hit (well, he'll hit grounders to the left side), but, and I know this will make some peoples' heads explode, you probably wouldn't lose anything defensively. And basically you just wait and hope on Benintendi (longer term, I'd like to see Betts return to CF)
From the White Sox perspective:
They now have JB Shuck playing CF; or before that Austin Jackson. Enough said. Their offense is atrocious (10th in the AL and sinking), and it's almost always a good idea to trade a pitcher for an everyday player.
They have the best pitcher in the AL, and then Rodon, and then . . . squat. I don't know of any plausible replacement. It would hurt big time.
As for the throw-in? Well, Hahn fleeced Cherington for Frankie Montas
The White Sox would save a little $ in the trade, which might matter to them, but $ really isn't an issue here; by any standard, both players are extremely cheap.
Likelihood
Low. Not because the value-for-value is unbalanced, nor because it doesn't address both team's serious needs, but because it would hurt both teams, as neither would be dealing from an area of strength and only have unpalatable replacements.
If I'm Dombrowski, I'd do it. I wouldn't if I were Hahn, but I'd have to give it serious consideration. A lot would depend on how I view this year's team's chances.
Note: please don't engage in the "no way team X would do it", unless you have inside information about a FO's thinking, which you don't. Otherwise, have at it.
Thanks
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Post by malynn19 on Jun 4, 2016 7:15:54 GMT -5
In particular, I would target Jose Quintana. I would imagine that the Red Sox would have to include something else, who knows maybe Trey Ball would finally serve some purpose as a lottery ticket. Although I'd probably be willing to go as far as including Henry Owens. From the Red Sox perspective: Quintana is not an ace, but he's very good (his worst ERA- is 89 in past 4 years), very durable (200 IP last 3 years), and very cheap ($23 guaranteed through 2018, and then 2 team options at $10.5 each). And his velocity is trending up. A top-3 of Wright, Price, and Quintana would then look plausible and you fill in the final 2 spots with whatever dregs look least bad. Losing Bradley would hurt. But he's at his highest value right now. Some regression is inevitable, but I don't know how much, and I don't think anyone can reasonably project him. You'd replace him with Castillo; no, he won't hit (well, he'll hit grounders to the left side), but, and I know this will make some peoples' heads explode, you probably wouldn't lose anything defensively. And basically you just wait and hope on Benintendi (longer term, I'd like to see Betts return to CF) From the White Sox perspective: They now have JB Shuck playing CF; or before that Austin Jackson. Enough said. Their offense is atrocious (10th in the AL and sinking), and it's almost always a good idea to trade a pitcher for an everyday player. They have the best pitcher in the AL, and then Rodon, and then . . . squat. I don't know of any plausible replacement. It would hurt big time. As for the throw-in? Well, Hahn fleeced Cherington for Frankie Montas The White Sox would save a little $ in the trade, which might matter to them, but $ really isn't an issue here; by any standard, both players are extremely cheap. Likelihood Low. Not because the value-for-value is unbalanced, nor because it doesn't address both team's serious needs, but because it would hurt both teams, as neither would be dealing from an area of strength and only have unpalatable replacements. If I'm Dombrowski, I'd do it. I wouldn't if I were Hahn, but I'd have to give it serious consideration. A lot would depend on how I view this year's team's chances. Note: please don't engage in the "no way team X would do it", unless you have inside information about a FO's thinking, which you don't. Otherwise, have at it.
ThanksSo unless we have inside information we are not allowed to comment on this. Please. But NO WAY will the White Sox do it, unless more players are thrown in (HO or Ball alone won't cut it), but what would I know, Kenny Williams has not come over the house for dinner. But It would be great to have Quintana in the top 3 and you get to have Betts in CF where you think he belongs. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 4, 2016 9:28:44 GMT -5
Going from a guy who is on a 6 win pace to someone who might be 1-2 wins at the most is pretty stupid when your team is in first place. These trades can't be made during the season. The OF depth already consists of Castillo and that's about it and then it would be Bryce Brentz and Allen Craig. Someone tell Mookie he can't take paternity leave or miss any games.
You could possibly talk about it in the offseason when you can replace JBJ with another OF who deserves to start and deal with the depth. If Benintendi and Moncada are pushing the majors then, it makes 100 times more sense.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 4, 2016 9:51:04 GMT -5
In particular, I would target Jose Quintana. I would imagine that the Red Sox would have to include something else, who knows maybe Trey Ball would finally serve some purpose as a lottery ticket. Although I'd probably be willing to go as far as including Henry Owens. From the Red Sox perspective: Quintana is not an ace, but he's very good (his worst ERA- is 89 in past 4 years), very durable (200 IP last 3 years), and very cheap ($23 guaranteed through 2018, and then 2 team options at $10.5 each). And his velocity is trending up. A top-3 of Wright, Price, and Quintana would then look plausible and you fill in the final 2 spots with whatever dregs look least bad. Losing Bradley would hurt. But he's at his highest value right now. Some regression is inevitable, but I don't know how much, and I don't think anyone can reasonably project him. You'd replace him with Castillo; no, he won't hit (well, he'll hit grounders to the left side), but, and I know this will make some peoples' heads explode, you probably wouldn't lose anything defensively. And basically you just wait and hope on Benintendi (longer term, I'd like to see Betts return to CF) From the White Sox perspective: They now have JB Shuck playing CF; or before that Austin Jackson. Enough said. Their offense is atrocious (10th in the AL and sinking), and it's almost always a good idea to trade a pitcher for an everyday player. They have the best pitcher in the AL, and then Rodon, and then . . . squat. I don't know of any plausible replacement. It would hurt big time. As for the throw-in? Well, Hahn fleeced Cherington for Frankie Montas The White Sox would save a little $ in the trade, which might matter to them, but $ really isn't an issue here; by any standard, both players are extremely cheap. Likelihood Low. Not because the value-for-value is unbalanced, nor because it doesn't address both team's serious needs, but because it would hurt both teams, as neither would be dealing from an area of strength and only have unpalatable replacements. If I'm Dombrowski, I'd do it. I wouldn't if I were Hahn, but I'd have to give it serious consideration. A lot would depend on how I view this year's team's chances. Note: please don't engage in the "no way team X would do it", unless you have inside information about a FO's thinking, which you don't. Otherwise, have at it. Thanks Your note stifles conversation because unless you're actually part of the organization (brisox is the only one who'd qualify), of course you're not going to be familiar with their thinking. So hey, let's trade Clay Buchholz and Joe Kelly for Mike Trout. We don't know what the Angels FO is thinking, so why wouldn't they make this deal? See how that works. It makes sense to try to think like both teams involved in the trade. Does that mean you have their exact thinking? No, but you should at least try to put in the effort. In regards to your proposed deal I don't think it would happen in-season. If the Sox trade JBJ they can move Betts to CF, but it's not like they have a corner OF waiting to take over RF. All you have to do is look at LF and you know that's true. Quintana would be a big boost to the rotation, but then the Sox would have a gaping hole in the outfield. Meanwhile, the While Sox are in contention because they have a 1-2 punch of Sale and Quintana, and if I were the ChiSox, I wouldn't hold my breath on Matt Latos being very dependable, so they'd really need Sale, Quintana, and Rodon in a post-season series. They're going to need their pitchers. And they do have a solid CF in Eaton. If the ChiSox need to upgrade in their OF corners, then they would probably want to upgrade their corner OF (to average) the way the Red Sox would want to - make it better without overpaying to do so, which means you don't need to add Mike Trout to make it better. As for the Red Sox, they will need a #2/#3 type pitcher if E-Rod doesn't resemble the guy he was last year. If he comes around to being that guy, then with Price, Porcello, E-Rod, and Wright, the Red Sox have 4 starters you can throw into a post-season series without being horrified. Their upgrade would have to be a marginal one in the rotation - somebody better than Buchholz and Kelly, which isn't setting the bar too high, and that person wouldn't cost a lot in a deal, and they could try a marginal upgrade in LF and an upgrade to the bullpen, which is a need that becomes more apparent every day. In the winter time, your trade proposal might make more sense for both ball clubs. The Red Sox could sign Bautista (not saying they should), move Betts to CF, and make your deal to improve the pitching. Maybe the ChiSox get pitching help another way to offset the loss of Quintana (although I have trouble believing they could do so). But in-season, I don't see that trade as much of a possibility. |
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Post by thursty on Jun 4, 2016 10:53:30 GMT -5
Adam Eaton was moved off of CF because of his horrible defense there (-14 DRS in 2015); you don't move a solid CF to make room for Austin Jackson, who is a replacement-level player (both offensively and defensively).
The White Sox desperately need a CF; that much is beyond dispute.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 4, 2016 11:35:56 GMT -5
Adam Eaton was moved off of CF because of his horrible defense there (-14 DRS in 2015); you don't move a solid CF to make room for Austin Jackson, who is a replacement-level player (both offensively and defensively). The White Sox desperately need a CF; that much is beyond dispute. Good call on that. My main point still stands though. The ChiSox aren't going to open up a hole to resolve another hole. Nor are the Red Sox. In the winter that type of thing can happen, but it won't during the season. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 4, 2016 12:41:31 GMT -5
Wouldn't do it straight up. Even if his bat comes back to earth a little bit and if his D goes back to GG levels he's one of the more valuable positional players in Baseball.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 4, 2016 14:37:30 GMT -5
Note: please don't engage in the "no way team X would do it", unless you have inside information about a FO's thinking, which you don't. Otherwise, have at it. Thanks There's no way team x would do it, if there's half a brain cell between all of the people involved in the decision. Give me a break with this caveat. |
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