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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 6, 2016 12:22:27 GMT -5
I feel that one of the three needs our 2016 team has (besides a reliable middle/setup reliever and an average/above average starter) is a Left Fielder, preferrably one that's left handed or with limited splits. I'd think that Beintendi would be our long term solution, but I don't see him cracking the majors until maybe late 2017. That being said, we may only need a player for the rest of this season, or one that is also on the books for next season. In the interim, I think that with Swihart now injured, Craig useless, Young somewhat undesirable vs. righties or playing defense, and Castillo in the minors, I think that we have somewhat of a black hole at both LF and C when a righty is pitching.
I decided to look at teams that were below .500. Right now, these are the Yankees, Rays, Twins, Astros, Angels, A's, Phillies, Braves, Brewers, Reds, Rockies, Dbacks, and Padres. Not all of them may be sellers at the deadline, but it's a good start. Then I decided to look at the outfielders that made a decent amount of money, especially relative to their teammates. This may help indicate players that a team may be more interested in moving. Then I decided to look at their 2016 splits vs. RHP. Normally I looked at just left handed batters, but there are some right handed OF's that can still hit RHP. That may be useful as it can lead to Betts or Bradley getting a day of rest now and then.
Note: By listing a player here, that does not mean that I am interested in acquiring them. I just want to open the discussion regarding plausible trade targets and desired acquisition costs.
Brett Gardner (32): .256/.388/.430 .818 (121 AB's) $13,500,000
Jacoby Ellsbury (32): .293/.359/.422 .782 (116 AB's) $21,142,857
Carlos Beltran (39): .279/.301/.574 .875 (129 AB's) $15,000,000
Steve Pearce (33): .283/.368/.402 .770 (92 AB's) $4,750,000
Logan Morrison (28): .248/.333/.414/ .747 (133 AB's) $4,200,000
Colby Rasmus (29): .243/.328/.441 .768 (152 AB's) $15,800,000
Kole Calhoun (28): .302/.386/.443 .829 (149 AB's) $3,400,000
Mike Trout (24): .324/.433/.595 1.028 (148 AB's) $16,083,333
Josh Reddick (29): .358/.437/.550 .987 (109 AB's) $6,575,000
Coco Crisp (36): .221/.280/.405 .684 (131 AB's) $11,000,000
Nick Markakis (32): .250/.357/.356 .713 (132 AB's) $11,000,000
Ryan Braun (32): .325/.384/.524 .908 (126 AB's) $19,315,013
Jay Bruce (29): .274/.327/.596 .923 (146 AB's) $12,541,666
Charlie Blackmon (29): .305/.357/.500 .857 (128 AB's) $3,500,000
Carlos Gonzalez (30): .342/.398/.599 .996 (152 AB's) $17,428,571
Gerardo Parra (29): .255/.262/.410 .672 (161 AB's) $8,000,000
Yasmany Tomas (25): .238/.286/.369 .655 (130 AB's) $7,500,000
AJ Pollock (28): No 2016 Data Career .294/.348/.445 .794 (988 AB's) $3,500,000
Jon Jay (31): .269/.309/.391 .700 (156 AB's) $6,225,000
Matt Kemp (31) (Bad) (Enough) (Too Much Money)
Melvin "Why Is Anyone Still Reading This?" Upton (31) .264/.315/.399 .713 $15,450,000
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 6, 2016 12:51:50 GMT -5
Outfield help has to be the bottom of the list after watching the SP this weekend.
Solution in LF, BBrentz. He deserves a chance.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 6, 2016 12:56:44 GMT -5
Outfield help has to be the bottom of the list after watching the SP this weekend. Solution in LF, BBrentz. He deserves a chance. I wouldn't count on Brentz to do much. His BABIP in Pawtucket is very high. I doubt he'd be that much better against righties than Young would be. The Sox need to get a platoon lefty for LF. |
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 6, 2016 12:58:11 GMT -5
I understand (and I thought about creating a similar thread for decent starters, which I may end up doing later), but just because it's not the most important way that we can improve, doesn't mean that we can't improve that way. Getting a LF and getting a SP are not mutually exclusive. We have the resources to plug many holes, and each of the options has its own cost. I cannot speak for any of the opposing GM's regarding what they would want from us for each of the above pieces. If we can improve the team by scoring more runs or allowing fewer runs (also note that better defense can lead to run prevention as well as better pitching) then we should leave no stone unturned.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 6, 2016 12:59:41 GMT -5
I wouldn't count on Brentz to do much. His BABIP in Pawtucket is very high. I doubt he'd be that much better against righties than Young would be. The Sox need to get a platoon lefty for LF. I also have a guilty obsession with Ichiro. I really want Miami to sell and for us to take a flyer. Him getting 3,000 hits is one thing, but I can only imagine what he will add to the clubhouse dynamic. |
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Post by brendan98 on Jun 6, 2016 13:59:45 GMT -5
I was thinking Rasmus, mainly because the Astros would likely give him up for salary relief, he’s on a 1 year deal, and it wouldn’t cost valuable trading chips that we will need to acquire pitching. Rasmus hits for power against RHP, and could help in some sort of platoon with Young, Young would play against all LHP, and Rasmus and Young could have some kind of split against RHP.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 6, 2016 15:05:59 GMT -5
Those who think the outfield is fine, think about losing Mookie or JBJ to a DL stint and what that would look like.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 6, 2016 15:49:31 GMT -5
I wouldn't count on Brentz to do much. His BABIP in Pawtucket is very high. I doubt he'd be that much better against righties than Young would be. The Sox need to get a platoon lefty for LF. I also have a guilty obsession with Ichiro. I really want Miami to sell and for us to take a flyer. Him getting 3,000 hits is one thing, but I can only imagine what he will add to the clubhouse dynamic. Honestly, I've had the same thought. I think Ichiro is a guy who'll hit .280 but with an OBP and a SA not that much higher, so I wonder why I would be interested, but I kind of am. Doesn't make too much sense. I think he won't go until Miami has milked that 3000th hit out of him. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 6, 2016 15:50:22 GMT -5
Those who think the outfield is fine, think about losing Mookie or JBJ to a DL stint and what that would look like. Yup that's one of my fears, along with losing a Bogaerts, or even an Ortiz (despite having no defensive position) |
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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 6, 2016 15:50:36 GMT -5
There is a LH outfielder available immediately, and it may not cost a lot to acquire him. Used to play in Boston.
Seriously, any acquisition should be made keeping Benintendi in mind as he could very well be the 2017 regular.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 7, 2016 14:44:24 GMT -5
Reddick fractured his thumb two weeks ago. Now that Houston has heated up Rasmus could be less likely.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 7, 2016 15:29:53 GMT -5
Reddick fractured his thumb two weeks ago. Now that Houston has heated up Rasmus could be less likely. I am well aware of this. Reports were saying that he should be out 4-6 weeks. He should be back well before the deadline. |
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Post by larrycook on Jun 7, 2016 20:32:12 GMT -5
Outfield help has to be the bottom of the list after watching the SP this weekend. Solution in LF, BBrentz. He deserves a chance. If Bradley or betts gets injured, I think Brentz deserves a chance. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 8, 2016 6:09:46 GMT -5
Charlie Blackman is a good name if he doesn't cost that much to acquire. I don't think that'll be the case though. Good hard nosed player. Bad Cf, perfect LF.
But most likely Josh Reddick. Josh could also spend time in Rf and give Mookie and JBJ days off too.
I would be interested in Carlos Gonzalez if the Rockies took back Castillo or Allen Craig in return (to off set the money).
I would be willing to send Henry Owens to the Rockies for either Gonzalez (if the Rockies took back Castillo or Craig) or for Blackman.
I wouldn't give up much to the A's but salary relief and a low level prospect for Reddick.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 8, 2016 8:44:16 GMT -5
I would offer to take Ellsbury from the Yankees if they pick up $30M in his salary. In exchange, I would offer to take Ellsbury from the Yankees if they pick up $30M in salary.
Or they could have Bryce Brentz.
Ellsbury would be a great platoonmate with Young and could spell JBJ on the odd game.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jun 8, 2016 10:22:05 GMT -5
I would offer to take Ellsbury from the Yankees if they pick up $30M in his salary. In exchange, I would offer to take Ellsbury from the Yankees if they pick up $30M in salary. Or they could have Bryce Brentz. Ellsbury would be a great platoonmate with Young and could spell JBJ on the odd game. $90 mil for Ells...a platoon guy with a noodle arm....With his skillset (see Crawford, Carl) he can go nowhere but down, may clog up AB/possibly Moncada. Not sure about that one. |
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Post by radiohix on Jun 8, 2016 19:13:47 GMT -5
I'll be very interested in someone line Brandon Moss: Cheap, Half a season rental, can play 1st base (Hanley will hit the DL sooner or later even if he stops sucking). Considering that he's a rental, he may not cost that much: Someone like Dubon seemslike a fair price to me. |
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Post by telson13 on Jun 8, 2016 23:04:57 GMT -5
I would offer to take Ellsbury from the Yankees if they pick up $30M in his salary. In exchange, I would offer to take Ellsbury from the Yankees if they pick up $30M in salary. Or they could have Bryce Brentz. Ellsbury would be a great platoonmate with Young and could spell JBJ on the odd game. $90 mil for Ells...a platoon guy with a noodle arm....With his skillset (see Crawford, Carl) he can go nowhere but down, may clog up AB/possibly Moncada. Not sure about that one. Agreed. Ellsbury is a mediocre player on a horrendous contract. The Sox should've gotten CarGo earlier this year when he was struggling. He or Reddick (when healthy), maybe Jay Bruce, are the best options, provided the prospect cost is low. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 9, 2016 0:26:14 GMT -5
$90 mil for Ells...a platoon guy with a noodle arm....With his skillset (see Crawford, Carl) he can go nowhere but down, may clog up AB/possibly Moncada. Not sure about that one. Agreed. Ellsbury is a mediocre player on a horrendous contract. The Sox should've gotten CarGo earlier this year when he was struggling. He or Reddick (when healthy), maybe Jay Bruce, are the best options, provided the prospect cost is low. What are you willing to give up for Reddick and CarGo? I like both as targets, but I don't think the cost is going to be low. |
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 9, 2016 9:27:54 GMT -5
Agreed. Ellsbury is a mediocre player on a horrendous contract. The Sox should've gotten CarGo earlier this year when he was struggling. He or Reddick (when healthy), maybe Jay Bruce, are the best options, provided the prospect cost is low. What are you willing to give up for Reddick and CarGo? I like both as targets, but I don't think the cost is going to be low. Wondering what the price would be for Hill and Reddick in a package deal. Then I wonder how much it would cost to get back those players from the Athletics at a later date |
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jun 9, 2016 11:08:15 GMT -5
Reddick and Cargo are in different situations as Cargo is due another $20 mil next year. Not peanuts. He may or may not be cheaper due to this, but at least there are options. Hill could give us some good starts until he hits that wall. We really shouldn't need him for the playoffs, just need him to get us some valuable wins now to try avoid a WC game.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 9, 2016 13:18:04 GMT -5
If Houston falls out of it, and given how they are built, anyone think they'd move Springer for a prospect rich package (i.e. Moncada and Benintendi)?
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Post by jmei on Jun 9, 2016 13:19:17 GMT -5
I think Houston's past the teardown stage-- they're close enough to contention that there's no incentive to trade their young, cheap stars.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 9, 2016 15:24:01 GMT -5
I want no part of getting a LF that would cost us Moncada and/or Benintendi, unless his name is Trout. We can use an upgrade and more depth, but we should be able to do that by not including our top prospects.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 9, 2016 16:56:42 GMT -5
Benintendi is likely the LF next year, so seems a bit dumb to trade him for a LF.
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