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Post by zimmerdown on Jun 14, 2016 21:51:32 GMT -5
And, BTW, there is slim to no chance that they ever pay him 217 million. It is a good contract for the team. Why is it slim to none that they don't pay him that contract? If Price struggles in any way, shape, or form, or gets injured by year 3 of the deal, he'll opt to stay with the Sox. He's be dumb not to. There's also the possibility that he settles into Boston and likes it and doesn't care about taking every last dollar as a free agent. The former scenario is more likely. I'd say it's about 50-50 that he stays with the Sox beyond 2018. I say "slim to none" you say "50/50". Neither of us knows what will happen. He is in the prime of his career. I always looked at this as a 3 year deal. I have been wrong before.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 14, 2016 22:32:54 GMT -5
Huh? The Sox have an elite closer in Uehara who can get 5 outs? They HAD an elite closer in Uehara who could get 5 outs in 2013. That guy doesn't pitch for the Red Sox anymore, unfortunately. Instead they have the 41 year old version that is hit or miss and doesn't go beyond 3 outs. They did have an elite reliever ready to go on Sunday. Farrell left him in the pen and brought in Barnes. Ask yourself if Maddon or Showalter would've done that. He's throwing away games.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 14, 2016 22:55:29 GMT -5
Showalter almost certainly would have. Zach Britton has pitched in one tie game on the road in the last two years, August 5 last season against Oakland. And it was when he hadn't pitched in five days.
EDIT: Though to be fair to Showalter, having a secondary option as good as Darren O'Day makes being rigid with the Proven CloserTM a little more acceptable.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 15, 2016 9:09:58 GMT -5
Zo & Bertrand blaming this one on Price. I know Zo is good for football but man these guys are clueless about baseball.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 15, 2016 9:21:44 GMT -5
Huh? The Sox have an elite closer in Uehara who can get 5 outs? They HAD an elite closer in Uehara who could get 5 outs in 2013. That guy doesn't pitch for the Red Sox anymore, unfortunately. Instead they have the 41 year old version that is hit or miss and doesn't go beyond 3 outs. I'm sure he could still get 5 outs if needed, but sadly the 87mph fastball indeed is not elite like the 89mph fastball was.
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Post by bosox89 on Jun 15, 2016 9:34:00 GMT -5
Zo & Bertrand blaming this one on Price. I know Zo is good for football but man these guys are clueless about baseball. Maz has the same "we paid Price to win the 2-1/3-1 games" mind state. And to a degree i believe the same, because those are gonna be the games he needs to win if we get to the playoffs, but its hard to really get on him for the last 2 starts (or really the last 7 starts).
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 15, 2016 9:58:07 GMT -5
Sox are 14-16 in the division, including 9-12 against O's and Jays. That needs improvement.
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Post by station13 on Jun 15, 2016 10:21:03 GMT -5
Sox are 14-16 in the division, including 9-12 against O's and Jays. That needs improvement. Lots of losses were bullpens, Barnes, Layne, and even Kimbrel (2x) in them.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 15, 2016 12:42:46 GMT -5
Huh? The Sox have an elite closer in Uehara who can get 5 outs? They HAD an elite closer in Uehara who could get 5 outs in 2013. That guy doesn't pitch for the Red Sox anymore, unfortunately. Instead they have the 41 year old version that is hit or miss and doesn't go beyond 3 outs. They did have an elite reliever ready to go on Sunday. Farrell left him in the pen and brought in Barnes. Ask yourself if Maddon or Showalter would've done that. He's throwing away games. Oh. I thought you specifically meant Uehara. Obviously you meant Kimbrel. And yeah, given the day off, it was dumb of Farrell to let that opportunity to sweep Minnesota pass him by. If Lovullo is helping Farrell on the Xs and Os, I'd worry about Lovullo as a successor. Who knows? It's frustrating. I didn't always agree with Francona, but his moves, normally, made so much more sense and I could understand them even if I didn't necessarily agree with them. Farrell seems like a very smart guy, but I don't know why it doesn't translate to his managerial strategies. I mean, he doesn't come off as a hick the way Grady Little, Jimy Williams, and Butch Hobson did. All I can do is shrug.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 15, 2016 12:47:06 GMT -5
Huh? The Sox have an elite closer in Uehara who can get 5 outs? They HAD an elite closer in Uehara who could get 5 outs in 2013. That guy doesn't pitch for the Red Sox anymore, unfortunately. Instead they have the 41 year old version that is hit or miss and doesn't go beyond 3 outs. I'm sure he could still get 5 outs if needed, but sadly the 87mph fastball indeed is not elite like the 89mph fastball was. I dunno. I've always been a huge fan of Koji, but he seems to have more problems commanding that splitter than he used to and when he does it kind of leaves him naked on the mound with that 87 MPH heater. Honestly I'm thankful these days when he manages 3 outs without allowing a run to score. Not sure I'd feel good about him trying to get 5 at this point. I sure miss the days when he'd come in and I'd be laughing at the poor schnooks who had to face him and had no clue how to hit his splitter even though they knew it was coming. When it was Koji time, the game was over. I never relaxed more in my life with a narrow 1 run lead like I did when Koji pitched in 2013 and that includes when Papelbon was at his best and Tom Gordon was on his run of not blowing saves in 1998.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 15, 2016 13:39:46 GMT -5
Huh? The Sox have an elite closer in Uehara who can get 5 outs? They HAD an elite closer in Uehara who could get 5 outs in 2013. That guy doesn't pitch for the Red Sox anymore, unfortunately. Instead they have the 41 year old version that is hit or miss and doesn't go beyond 3 outs. Not all but many on this board said the Sox over paid for Kimbrell. Many said Koji could still close. Now its the age of the reliever. No reason why any 7th or 8th inning reliever on this staff cannot go 5 outs or get 5 outs when need be. If age is a concern, why is the Player still here?
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Post by bosox81 on Jun 15, 2016 14:39:40 GMT -5
Huh? The Sox have an elite closer in Uehara who can get 5 outs? They HAD an elite closer in Uehara who could get 5 outs in 2013. That guy doesn't pitch for the Red Sox anymore, unfortunately. Instead they have the 41 year old version that is hit or miss and doesn't go beyond 3 outs. Not all but many on this board said the Sox over paid for Kimbrell. Many said Koji could still close. Now its the age of the reliever. No reason why any 7th or 8th inning reliever on this staff cannot go 5 outs or get 5 outs when need be. If age is a concern, why is the Player still here? Kimbrel was given an opportunity to get a five out save. He failed. In fact that day he blew the lead twice. It's not all on Koji.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 15, 2016 15:47:48 GMT -5
@ryanhannable When asked about the bench, particularly a left-handed bat, Farrell said "potential changes upcoming." Added guys from Pawtucket.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 15, 2016 16:23:28 GMT -5
Not all but many on this board said the Sox over paid for Kimbrell. Many said Koji could still close. Now its the age of the reliever. No reason why any 7th or 8th inning reliever on this staff cannot go 5 outs or get 5 outs when need be. If age is a concern, why is the Player still here? Kimbrel was given an opportunity to get a five out save. He failed. In fact that day he blew the lead twice. It's not all on Koji. No blame to Koji. If Koji cannot get you 5 outs every once in awhile then he is limited which hurts your squad if your Closer can only go 3 outs which is absurd. Lets put it like this, Is it Farrell's lack of in game strategy or management ? Or is it lack of talent?
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Post by jmei on Jun 15, 2016 16:25:54 GMT -5
There is really no position player at Pawtucket that seems even remotely close to a fit for the big league club.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 15, 2016 16:31:10 GMT -5
@ryanhannable When asked about the bench, particularly a left-handed bat, Farrell said "potential changes upcoming." Added guys from Pawtucket. Henry Ramos or Brentz? Nobody else has hit their weight. When do the Sox DFA Castillo? The definition of the word Bust
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Post by bosox81 on Jun 15, 2016 16:36:42 GMT -5
Lets put it like this, Is it Farrell's lack of in game strategy or management ? Or is it lack of talent? The Sox are 6th in reliever FIP and 7th in reliever ERA in the AL. Not the best by any means, but definitely above average. But in 1-run games they are a putrid 5-9, which is only matched by Minnesota's 6-11. I think that is a combination of bad luck, incompetent bullpen management, and some of these relievers having meltdowns in pressure situations, and yes even our "elite" closer has a handful of those.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 15, 2016 16:39:23 GMT -5
I'm nitpicking, but "potential changes upcoming" is true virtually every minute of every day.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ramos or Marrero comes up. Sucks that Shaw, Hanley and Rutledge are all struggling while Holt is on the DL. Can't Hernandez play 3b?
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 15, 2016 16:42:39 GMT -5
I'm nitpicking, but "potential changes upcoming" is true virtually every minute of every day. I wouldn't be surprised if Ramos or Marrero comes up. Sucks that Shaw, Hanley and Rutledge are all struggling while Holt is on the DL. Can't Hernandez play 3b? Holt may not be back this season
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 15, 2016 17:20:09 GMT -5
There is really no position player at Pawtucket that seems even remotely close to a fit for the big league club. When opportunity arrives you have to give a player a chance. I understand most of these AAA players are career minor leaguers. With that said Ramos is 24 and Brentz hasn't been given a long look when he was performing well last few seasons in AAA. For all we know one of these guys could be the next TShaw? I don't understand why players such as Castillo continue to get the call and far more hurt your club instead of giving another player a chance who has the numbers and might be the better athlete or provide some energy.
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Post by ajs1994 on Jun 15, 2016 17:32:57 GMT -5
There is really no position player at Pawtucket that seems even remotely close to a fit for the big league club. When opportunity arrives you have to give a player a chance. I understand most of these AAA players are career minor leaguers. With that said Ramos is 24 and Brentz hasn't been given a long look when he was performing well last few seasons in AAA. For all we know one of these guys could be the next TShaw? I don't understand why players such as Castillo continue to get the call and far more hurt your club instead of giving another player a chance who has the numbers and might be the better athlete or provide some energy. Brentz is now 27 and has barely been good in AAA the last 2 seasons. He last showed anything 2014, and got a cup of coffee and struck out an absurd 35% of the time and didn't walk at all. Last year, he struck out 30% of the time in AAA with his lowest isolated power in a long stint since he debuted in the system in 2010. This year, his ISO has gone down and he has 1 homer, with his performance only decent due to a .368 babip. For a guy with huge hit too and approach concerns, and considered a fringe average defender, these performances do not merit any faith. So I'd argue he does not "have the numbers", nor the skillset. As for Ramos, I don't mind him, but he could certainly use more time in AAA. I understand keeping Rusney over him, as Castillo possesses much more speed and defensive value, and I don't expect Ramos to offer all that much more with the bat at this point.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 15, 2016 18:12:15 GMT -5
SMFH, ESPN2 can be blacked out?
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 15, 2016 18:25:50 GMT -5
I don't understand why players such as Castillo continue to get the call and far more hurt your club instead of giving another player a chance who has the numbers and might be the better athlete or provide some energy. Yeah Castillo is really hurting the club by pinch-running for Ortiz in the 9th inning. Let's trade for Jonny Gomes to get all that energy.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 15, 2016 18:26:45 GMT -5
Xander is terrible. Down to .353. Thought I'd get a head start on the typical game day thread. And if Wright allows a run this inning, we need to trade all the prospects for a crappy starter.
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Post by bosox89 on Jun 15, 2016 18:35:14 GMT -5
^Anything else? Get it all off your chest and we can move on.
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