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Post by jmei on Jun 14, 2016 6:12:26 GMT -5
With the scarcity of starting pitching on the market and the desire to retain their top trade chips, I'm increasingly of the mind that they should make a complementary position player acquisition. LF has attracted most of the attention on that front, but what about 3B? With both Shaw and Ramirez slumping and limited corner infield depth in the organization (Holt, Rutledge and Hernandez can play 3B, but it's not their natural position, and there are questions about their bat), adding a backup 3B or 1B might be a cheap way of boosting performance and depth. Adding a RHH 3B would allow them to platoon Shaw and/or move Shaw to 1B and give Ramirez more days off. Think guys like: - Danny Valencia ($3.15m salary, one year of arb left, has absolutely raked in a platoon role the last two years)
- Aaron Hill (decent bounce-back year, $5.5m salary owed by Brewers, FA at end of year, should be available for cheap)
- Eduardo Nunez ($1.5m salary, one year of arb left, would be a buy-high candidate but has hit well)
- Luis Valbuena ($6.1m salary, FA at end of year, decent platoon option)
- Martin Prado (owed $8m by Marlins this year, FA at end of year, would be more of a starting 3B option and may be too expensive in trade return)
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RHH 3B
Jun 14, 2016 9:37:13 GMT -5
Post by jrffam05 on Jun 14, 2016 9:37:13 GMT -5
These are the types of moves I would much rather see the Red Sox make instead of trading away top talent.
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Jun 17, 2016 11:48:52 GMT -5
Post by ericmvan on Jun 17, 2016 11:48:52 GMT -5
With the scarcity of starting pitching on the market and the desire to retain their top trade chips, I'm increasingly of the mind that they should make a complementary position player acquisition. LF has attracted most of the attention on that front, but what about 3B? With both Shaw and Ramirez slumping and limited corner infield depth in the organization (Holt, Rutledge and Hernandez can play 3B, but it's not their natural position, and there are questions about their bat), adding a backup 3B or 1B might be a cheap way of boosting performance and depth. Adding a RHH 3B would allow them to platoon Shaw and/or move Shaw to 1B and give Ramirez more days off. Think guys like: - Danny Valencia ($3.15m salary, one year of arb left, has absolutely raked in a platoon role the last two years)
- Aaron Hill (decent bounce-back year, $5.5m salary owed by Brewers, FA at end of year, should be available for cheap)
- Eduardo Nunez ($1.5m salary, one year of arb left, would be a buy-high candidate but has hit well)
- Luis Valbuena ($6.1m salary, FA at end of year, decent platoon option)
- Martin Prado (owed $8m by Marlins this year, FA at end of year, would be more of a starting 3B option and may be too expensive in trade return)
A terrific idea. It simply upgrades the Rutledge roster spot, so it's easy. Valencia has 753 career PA vs. LHP and is .328 / .376 / .514. He's not very good defensively (-5 UZR/150,-9 DRS career). Hill's a -1 or -2 defender, has ROS wRC+ projections ranging from 90 to 97, and would only gain a few points from platooning (101 vs. 96 career). Nunez has 99-101 projections with a reverse career split (93 vs. 96). UZR has him at -25, DRS at -7. Not as good as Hill. Valbuena's a LHB. Prado has 101 to 102 projections (off a career 108), with a nice split (125 vs 101). He's a +6 UZR / +10 DRS career defender. Hmm, without regression to the mean, Valencia projects to be 151 vs. RHP, while Prado's about 119. The defensive difference is about 21 points of wRC+ (you can convert wRC+ points to R/150 by multiplying by 1.3, something I just derived!). I'm guessing that the regression makes it pretty much a wash. Either one would be a great get; which one would be better comes down to scouting, fit to Fenway, and so on, so it's likely that acquisition cost would be the determinant. If it's too high for either, Hill would indeed be a cheap upgrade to Rutledge. |
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RHH 3B
Jun 17, 2016 20:15:27 GMT -5
Post by rafael on Jun 17, 2016 20:15:27 GMT -5
How about Yangervis Solarte? He is a switch hitter, who hits better against righties, but is not unplayable against lefties. He can also backup 2B. As an overall below-average player, he might be undervalued and has several years of control left.
Maybe we can get Kimbrel, Ross and Solarte for Margot, Guerra, Allen and Asuaje.
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Jun 19, 2016 9:06:08 GMT -5
Post by jdb on Jun 19, 2016 9:06:08 GMT -5
These are the types of moves I would much rather see the Red Sox make instead of trading away top talent. Agree. I think we can get creative and would take on salary to keep the big chips in our system. Besides we really don't know what teams will be sellers just yet. There's only a handful of sure bet sellers about 40-45 days out. With Pittsburg falling behind maybe Freese would be a good pickup to backup the corners. |
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RHH 3B
Jul 6, 2016 12:17:33 GMT -5
Post by jdb on Jul 6, 2016 12:17:33 GMT -5
I wonder what Hill and Garza would cost? Garza has about 4 starts under his belt this year, is owed 12.5 million next season and the Brewers could want to shed some salary. He'd could be a solid back end option.
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RHH 3B
Jul 6, 2016 15:44:23 GMT -5
Post by amfox1 on Jul 6, 2016 15:44:23 GMT -5
I wonder what Hill and Garza would cost? Garza has about 4 starts under his belt this year, is owed 12.5 million next season and the Brewers could want to shed some salary. He'd could be a solid back end option. Not much, depending how much of Garza's salary MIL would retain. Garza has had four starts this year, since recovering from a lat issue. A couple of C/C+ prospects ought to work (Rijo/Buttrey?), assuming MIL assumes a portion of Garza's cost for this year. |
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RHH 3B
Jul 6, 2016 21:59:59 GMT -5
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Post by larrycook on Jul 6, 2016 21:59:59 GMT -5
I wonder what Hill and Garza would cost? Garza has about 4 starts under his belt this year, is owed 12.5 million next season and the Brewers could want to shed some salary. He'd could be a solid back end option. I am all in on any starter. Anybody has to be better than watching Buchholz throw batting practice. |
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RHH 3B
Jul 7, 2016 9:08:30 GMT -5
Post by jdb on Jul 7, 2016 9:08:30 GMT -5
Garza with his best Bucholz impression last night giving up 7 ERs. I still think Hill would provide a ton of insurance in case Shaw or Hanley get injured.
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Jul 7, 2016 11:13:57 GMT -5
Post by steveofbradenton on Jul 7, 2016 11:13:57 GMT -5
I like your thinking. I was thinking of Garza before last night's flop, but he may turn it up if he was back in a pennant race.
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RHH 3B
Jul 7, 2016 11:56:20 GMT -5
Post by sox fan in nc on Jul 7, 2016 11:56:20 GMT -5
I like your thinking. I was thinking of Garza before last night's flop, but he may turn it up if he was back in a pennant race. Even James Shields has turned it around in Chicago...2 consecutive quality starts....I could see Garza doing similar. |
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 7, 2016 17:50:24 GMT -5
I wonder what Hill and Garza would cost? Garza has about 4 starts under his belt this year, is owed 12.5 million next season and the Brewers could want to shed some salary. He'd could be a solid back end option. Not much, depending how much of Garza's salary MIL would retain. Garza has had four starts this year, since recovering from a lat issue. A couple of C/C+ prospects ought to work (Rijo/Buttrey?), assuming MIL assumes a portion of Garza's cost for this year. We were in the ballpark, at least. Hill for Rijo and Wilkerson. |
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