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6/17-6/19 Red Sox vs. Seattle Series Thead
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Post by nomar on Jun 19, 2016 15:41:17 GMT -5
Kimbrel was filthy today, wow.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 19, 2016 15:41:24 GMT -5
Prospects? Who gives a F**K???
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Post by Guidas on Jun 19, 2016 15:41:41 GMT -5
Great win!
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Post by kman22 on Jun 19, 2016 15:41:59 GMT -5
Kimbrel was ridiculous today. Lights out.
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Post by thebogeyman on Jun 19, 2016 15:42:55 GMT -5
Nasty
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Post by larrycook on Jun 19, 2016 15:42:56 GMT -5
Nice win today! Price looked very comfortable out there.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 19, 2016 15:48:43 GMT -5
Kimbrel was ridiculous today. Lights out. That was the first time I've seen him be able to locate his slider this year. He's unhittable when he can. But most games he seems to be a 1 pitch pitcher.
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Post by bosox81 on Jun 19, 2016 15:51:05 GMT -5
Prospects? Who gives a F**K??? One who used to be one hit the go ahead HR. So I do care?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 19, 2016 15:54:42 GMT -5
Prospects? Who gives a F**K??? One who used to be one hit the go ahead HR. So I do care? Just some braggadocio on my part....harmless stuff. Happy to get the win, most importantly, and I like prospects also.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 19, 2016 15:59:11 GMT -5
Ordinarily, when you have a 1395 OPS without RISP (11/20, 2B, 3B, HR, BB, HBP) and go 0/10, GDP, UBB, IBB with RISP, it's a recipe for agony. I mean, that would be difficult to do if you were trying. Great win.
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Post by Smittyw on Jun 19, 2016 16:05:23 GMT -5
So has the Doomsday Clock moved back a few minutes?
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 19, 2016 16:25:52 GMT -5
So has the Doomsday Clock moved back a few minutes? Next Tuesday and Wednesday will go a very long way towards setting the clock, even though single outings by a SP are about as small a sample as you could imagine people putting any weight on.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 19, 2016 16:53:37 GMT -5
So some comments about the comments.
The idea that Price somehow found it today is misplaced. He's been pitching well for a few weeks now. No surprise, as that's a fairly typical trajectory for starting pitchers at the beginning of the season. Lester was like that for much of his career in Boston. Price was better than Wright was during their previous consecutive starts. He didn't get the win, while Wright did. That has little to do with him though it does seem to change how people feel about the guy. It is relevant to the the second comment.
The Sox left a lot of people on base today, not because they failed to perform, but because it's a random variable. It changes from game to game. The probability of driving in those runs is, however, affected by the lineup a team fields - how many good players they have in those spots. The Sox have very good options in many of those spots, so the probability is higher for them. We can see that from the number of runs they regularly put on the board. Over the long run, that also means more wins. The balls didn't fall for them today but that's what random variation looks like, what statistics are all about.
Finally, let me be the one to say it: Vazquez - who did have two hits yesterday by the way - has to do very little offensively to be worth the lineup spot. He'd easily have that spot on 20 ML teams maybe more, he's that good. And he will hit. After a year on the shelf, he's only beginning to familiarize himself with the pitchers at the plate (all you folks who were ready to trade away Bradley after his first full season, raise your hand). Regardless, he's invaluable. In case it's been forgotten, the teams' rise dates to his having been given the job. I don't think that's an accident at all.
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Post by atzar on Jun 19, 2016 16:58:03 GMT -5
Ordinarily, when you have a 1395 OPS without RISP (11/20, 2B, 3B, HR, BB, HBP) and go 0/10, GDP, UBB, IBB with RISP, it's a recipe for agony. I mean, that would be difficult to do if you were trying. Great win. It was a very strange game for the offense. Glad we won it.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 19, 2016 17:03:03 GMT -5
The Sox have won 1 game this year scoring less than 4 runs. We are due for another. The O's are 8-19, we're 1-16. We're 11th in RA/G at 4.57 and they're 10th at 4.42. A lot of this is luck. We've allowed 2 or fewer runs 18 times, the O's 19. We have a tendency to waste great pitching on nights when the offense is great; we're averaging 7 RS/G when allowing 0 or 1 runs. A lot of it is luck but its hard not to look at their manager and look at ours and connect the dots. Thats a big part of it.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 19, 2016 18:55:11 GMT -5
So some comments about the comments. The idea that Price somehow found it today is misplaced. He's been pitching well for a few weeks now. No surprise, as that's a fairly typical trajectory for starting pitchers at the beginning of the season. Lester was like that for much of his career in Boston. Price was better than Wright was during their previous consecutive starts. He didn't get the win, while Wright did. That has little to do with him though it does seem to change how people feel about the guy. It is relevant to the the second comment. The Sox left a lot of people on base today, not because they failed to perform, but because it's a random variable. It changes from game to game. The probability of driving in those runs is, however, affected by the lineup a team fields - how many good players they have in those spots. The Sox have very good options in many of those spots, so the probability is higher for them. We can see that from the number of runs they regularly put on the board. Over the long run, that also means more wins. The balls didn't fall for them today but that's what random variation looks like, what statistics are all about. Finally, let me be the one to say it: Vazquez - who did have two hits yesterday by the way - has to do very little offensively to be worth the lineup spot. He'd easily have that spot on 20 ML teams maybe more, he's that good. And he will hit. After a year on the shelf, he's only beginning to familiarize himself with the pitchers at the plate (all you folks who were ready to trade away Bradley after his first full season, raise your hand). Regardless, he's invaluable. In case it's been forgotten, the teams' rise dates to his having been given the job. I don't think that's an accident at all. He has 4 LDs in 6 PA (excluding the bunt attempt) after spending the time working with Davis. Even after that terrible slump, he was still 17th in bWAR + Framing Wins (where he ranks 12th) among 32 regular MLB catchers (Cubs and Braves have 50/50 platoons). If I went back and included the last season for everybody, he'd still be among the best catchers in MLB, and he wouldn't be the first person to be off his game in his first third of a season after missing a year. Imagine you had a pitching prospect who was regarded as hugely underrated by some, got a call-up and made 13 starts, ranking in the top 10 in most metrics and getting scouting notices that matched. He misses a year with TJ surgery, and after 10 starts he's middle of the pack. Put your hand up if you think it's a rational response to give up on that guy. (For the sake of forum decorum, I won't specify the precise location of where that hand might deserve to go. And the people who lack the cognitive flexibility to evaluate Vazquez properly wouldn't have the physical flexibility, anyway.)
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 19, 2016 19:00:09 GMT -5
The O's are 8-19, we're 1-16. We're 11th in RA/G at 4.57 and they're 10th at 4.42. A lot of this is luck. We've allowed 2 or fewer runs 18 times, the O's 19. We have a tendency to waste great pitching on nights when the offense is great; we're averaging 7 RS/G when allowing 0 or 1 runs. A lot of it is luck but its hard not to look at their manager and look at ours and connect the dots. That's a big part of it. Indeed, before today our our 1-16 included 1-5 in 1-run games, while their 8-19 includes 5-4.
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Post by mandelbro on Jun 19, 2016 19:15:53 GMT -5
Kimbrel was filthy today, wow. It's wild. When he just goes up there and spams the vicinity of the strike zone with gas, he's one of the best relief pitchers in the world. When he can throw that "curveball" for strikes instead of bouncing it and hoping they swing..... Sh*t is biblical.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 19, 2016 20:02:15 GMT -5
So some comments about the comments. The idea that Price somehow found it today is misplaced. He's been pitching well for a few weeks now. No surprise, as that's a fairly typical trajectory for starting pitchers at the beginning of the season. Lester was like that for much of his career in Boston. Price was better than Wright was during their previous consecutive starts. He didn't get the win, while Wright did. That has little to do with him though it does seem to change how people feel about the guy. It is relevant to the the second comment. The Sox left a lot of people on base today, not because they failed to perform, but because it's a random variable. It changes from game to game. The probability of driving in those runs is, however, affected by the lineup a team fields - how many good players they have in those spots. The Sox have very good options in many of those spots, so the probability is higher for them. We can see that from the number of runs they regularly put on the board. Over the long run, that also means more wins. The balls didn't fall for them today but that's what random variation looks like, what statistics are all about. Finally, let me be the one to say it: Vazquez - who did have two hits yesterday by the way - has to do very little offensively to be worth the lineup spot. He'd easily have that spot on 20 ML teams maybe more, he's that good. And he will hit. After a year on the shelf, he's only beginning to familiarize himself with the pitchers at the plate (all you folks who were ready to trade away Bradley after his first full season, raise your hand). Regardless, he's invaluable. In case it's been forgotten, the teams' rise dates to his having been given the job. I don't think that's an accident at all. I like the way Farrell has handled him. Not overworking him as he recovers from TJ, but bringing him along slowly. Spots Hanigan/Leon in order to keep him rested. Sending Swihart down after his difficult start was the right thing to do, even though it was not popular. I hope Chris hit better though as this team is not a powerhouse that can overlook a .200 hitter in the lineup.
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Post by bosox81 on Jun 19, 2016 20:13:44 GMT -5
So some comments about the comments. The idea that Price somehow found it today is misplaced. He's been pitching well for a few weeks now. No surprise, as that's a fairly typical trajectory for starting pitchers at the beginning of the season. Lester was like that for much of his career in Boston. Price was better than Wright was during their previous consecutive starts. He didn't get the win, while Wright did. That has little to do with him though it does seem to change how people feel about the guy. It is relevant to the the second comment. The Sox left a lot of people on base today, not because they failed to perform, but because it's a random variable. It changes from game to game. The probability of driving in those runs is, however, affected by the lineup a team fields - how many good players they have in those spots. The Sox have very good options in many of those spots, so the probability is higher for them. We can see that from the number of runs they regularly put on the board. Over the long run, that also means more wins. The balls didn't fall for them today but that's what random variation looks like, what statistics are all about. Finally, let me be the one to say it: Vazquez - who did have two hits yesterday by the way - has to do very little offensively to be worth the lineup spot. He'd easily have that spot on 20 ML teams maybe more, he's that good. And he will hit. After a year on the shelf, he's only beginning to familiarize himself with the pitchers at the plate (all you folks who were ready to trade away Bradley after his first full season, raise your hand). Regardless, he's invaluable. In case it's been forgotten, the teams' rise dates to his having been given the job. I don't think that's an accident at all. He has 4 LDs in 6 PA (excluding the bunt attempt) after spending the time working with Davis. Even after that terrible slump, he was still 17th in bWAR + Framing Wins (where he ranks 12th) among 32 regular MLB catchers (Cubs and Braves have 50/50 platoons). If I went back and included the last season for everybody, he'd still be among the best catchers in MLB, and he wouldn't be the first person to be off his game in his first third of a season after missing a year. Imagine you had a pitching prospect who was regarded as hugely underrated by some, got a call-up and made 13 starts, ranking in the top 10 in most metrics and getting scouting notices that matched. He misses a year with TJ surgery, and after 10 starts he's middle of the pack. Put your hand up if you think it's a rational response to give up on that guy. (For the sake of forum decorum, I won't specify the precise location of where that hand might deserve to go. And the people who lack the cognitive flexibility to evaluate Vazquez properly wouldn't have the physical flexibility, anyway.) I'm no doctor, but I imagine that recovering from TJS for a pitcher is very different from recovering from TJS for a catcher with respect to pitch framing, no?
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Post by Guidas on Jun 19, 2016 22:07:07 GMT -5
brutal stretch coming up - Sale, Quintana,and the red hot Rangers. Meanwhile Balt will be playing footsie with SD and TB.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 19, 2016 22:37:10 GMT -5
Baltimore is about to play the Rangers without Machado.
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