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7/24 Gameday Thread: Johnson, Atkins, Kent, DeJesus, Steen
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 24, 2016 8:30:40 GMT -5
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Post by bosox81 on Jul 24, 2016 11:08:25 GMT -5
Not sure when it happened (due to Devers' slow start I had not been paying close attention), but with a .356 wOBA this season, he passed last year's wOBA of .347, all while playing in one level higher and in a more pitcher friendly league. His effort last season got him a #14 ranking in BA. I wonder how high he will be placed after this season.
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Post by bnich on Jul 24, 2016 12:18:33 GMT -5
According to Twitter, Brian Johnson is back with Pawtucket and starting today.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 24, 2016 12:42:40 GMT -5
Brakeman to Greenville DL, as of 7/15.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jul 24, 2016 13:35:41 GMT -5
Moncada looks terrrrrrible.
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Post by bosox on Jul 24, 2016 13:43:50 GMT -5
Moncada looks terrrrrrible. A couple of bad days. I think he's K'd seven times in the last 11 at bats.
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Post by nomar on Jul 24, 2016 13:47:10 GMT -5
Moncada looks terrrrrrible. Sell high sell high! I'm in the minority for sure but I think I'd trade him before both Benintendi and Devers in all seriousness. Great prospect, but his reputation really boosts his value. He's probably worth disproportionally more than Benintendi and Devers.
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Post by jmei on Jul 24, 2016 13:58:39 GMT -5
There are some minor but legitimate risks with Moncada (right-handed swing, defense, strikeouts). But he hits for average, hits for power, has shown great plate discipline/pitch recognition (not just walk-rate-wise-- it also comes across from a scouting POV (see last SoxProspects podcast)), and is an elite baserunner. I think he's legitimately a tier above Benintendi and Devers.
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Post by nomar on Jul 24, 2016 14:02:01 GMT -5
There are some minor but legitimate risks with Moncada (right-handed swing, defense, strikeouts). But he hits for average, hits for power, has shown great plate discipline/pitch recognition (not just walk-rate-wise-- it also comes across from a scouting POV (see last SoxProspects podcast)), and is an elite baserunner. I think he's legitimately a tier above Benintendi and Devers. That's fine I can agree with that, I'd still rather trade him though if teams value him considerably higher, which I think some would. I would prefer to keep all 3, but Dealin Dave is alive and well.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jul 24, 2016 14:09:23 GMT -5
It seems that, right now, Dubon is adjusting to AA better than either Moncada or Benintendi.
Is he at least a AA defensive SS right now?
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Post by nomar on Jul 24, 2016 14:12:58 GMT -5
It seems that, right now, Dubon is adjusting to AA better than either Moncada or Benintendi. Is he at least a AA defensive SS right now? He has a worse wRC than both of them and a .390 BABIP. But he has been better over the last 5 I suppose.
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Post by manfred on Jul 24, 2016 14:18:38 GMT -5
There are some minor but legitimate risks with Moncada (right-handed swing, defense, strikeouts). But he hits for average, hits for power, has shown great plate discipline/pitch recognition (not just walk-rate-wise-- it also comes across from a scouting POV (see last SoxProspects podcast)), and is an elite baserunner. I think he's legitimately a tier above Benintendi and Devers. That's fine I can agree with that, I'd still rather trade him though if teams value him considerably higher, which I think some would. I would prefer to keep all 3, but Dealin Dave is alive and well. Sight unseen, I agree with jmei -- there are too many pluses to Moncada for him not to be ranked far beyond the other prospects. And with his elite speed/stealing abilities, you have a bankable quality -- that won't go away when he gets promoted. Even if his hitting disappoints, a .260 hitter who walks (who was it who said his eye might get better as he rises with better umping?) and steals like he can is a great addition to the big club and worth holding. I put him in the Betts/Bogaerts category of no-way-no-how. Only player in the minors I see that way.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 24, 2016 14:26:57 GMT -5
That's fine I can agree with that, I'd still rather trade him though if teams value him considerably higher, which I think some would. I would prefer to keep all 3, but Dealin Dave is alive and well. Sight unseen, I agree with jmei -- there are too many pluses to Moncada for him not to be ranked far beyond the other prospects. And with his elite speed/stealing abilities, you have a bankable quality -- that won't go away when he gets promoted. Even if his hitting disappoints, a .260 hitter who walks (who was it who said his eye might get better as he rises with better umping?) and steals like he can is a great addition to the big club and worth holding. I put him in the Betts/Bogaerts category of no-way-no-how. Only player in the minors I see that way. Does the umping actually improve as you move up? I'm beginning to wonder. I bet Porcello doesn't agree if you asked him that today.
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Post by jmei on Jul 24, 2016 14:28:48 GMT -5
Yeah, it does. Folks like to hate on MLB umpires, but it is intrinsically an extremely challenging job, and the umpiring in the minors is much more inconsistent.
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Post by nomar on Jul 24, 2016 14:29:14 GMT -5
I would rank him highest too, but I don't have Benintendi too far behind him. Again, it's more about trade value to me, and I'm not holding anyone as untouchable, even though I really wouldn't want to trade any of them. Highly relative to who you're trading with, anyway.
Sorry for the derailment, the Quintana rumors are bringing this out of me :/
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Post by malynn19 on Jul 24, 2016 14:42:22 GMT -5
There's going to be a point where Moncada will have to give up batting for the right side, I think its what's holding him back from a MLB or AAA call up. But as far as our top 3 goes (based on baseball age where he won't be 20 until the season is over) Devers is 2 yrs younger than Moncada and 3 yrs younger than AB. He has one of the most beautiful swings I have seen and has incredible power playing a very good third base, so I would not be eager to trade him any time soon. Two years from now (at his current pace) he will be Yoan's age and I am betting he won't be in AA.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 24, 2016 14:46:17 GMT -5
I'd hate to give up Moncada or Devers about equally. I don't think most people understand how impressive what Devers is doing really is.
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Post by jchang on Jul 24, 2016 16:17:24 GMT -5
jeez, a few days ago, people were crying for Moncada and Beni to get called up directly to Boston in Sep, bypassing AAA, and a few days later, people are crying bust. The Mets figured out Moncada has trouble with offspeed (I am not sure about Beni). Fine, let him figure out how to hit breaking balls, or atleast recognize them. Take all this year and most of next year if necessary.
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Post by nomar on Jul 24, 2016 16:22:04 GMT -5
jeez, a few days ago, people were crying for Moncada and Beni to get called up directly to Boston in Sep, bypassing AAA, and a few days later, people are crying bust. The Mets figured out Moncada has trouble with offspeed (I am not sure about Beni). Fine, let him figure out how to hit breaking balls, or atleast recognize them. Take all this year and most of next year if necessary. Nobody has done that at all.
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Post by mattpicard on Jul 24, 2016 16:30:14 GMT -5
PawSox @pawsox 8m8 minutes ago Final line for Brian Johnson on a steamy Sunday in Columbus: 3 IP, 4 R, 4 ER, 6 H, 4 BB, 1 K, 78 pitches. Keith Couch comes on in relief.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 24, 2016 17:04:16 GMT -5
There are some minor but legitimate risks with Moncada (right-handed swing, defense, strikeouts). But he hits for average, hits for power, has shown great plate discipline/pitch recognition (not just walk-rate-wise-- it also comes across from a scouting POV (see last SoxProspects podcast)), and is an elite baserunner. I think he's legitimately a tier above Benintendi and Devers. How's striking out at 30% clip in AA ball is a "minor" risk? There's nothing more predictive when scouting the minor league stats than strikeout rate. You can't hit for a high avg in the big leagues when you're in sluggers territory in terms of whiff rate, even if you run a high BABIP (a skill that Moncada certainly has).
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Post by radiohix on Jul 24, 2016 17:09:45 GMT -5
Moncada looks terrrrrrible. Sell high sell high! I'm in the minority for sure but I think I'd trade him before both Benintendi and Devers in all seriousness. Great prospect, but his reputation really boosts his value. He's probably worth disproportionally more than Benintendi and Devers. I agree with the part that ranks him behind Devers and Benintendi but I think his problems are fixable, he still needs at least 1 more year of MiLB at bats to work on those issues.
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Post by jmei on Jul 24, 2016 17:20:14 GMT -5
It's been 100 PAs in AA, and his historical strikeout rates are fine. If he's still striking out so often at the end of the year, the risk escalates, but we're not there yet.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 24, 2016 17:34:40 GMT -5
PawSox @pawsox 8m8 minutes ago Final line for Brian Johnson on a steamy Sunday in Columbus: 3 IP, 4 R, 4 ER, 6 H, 4 BB, 1 K, 78 pitches. Keith Couch comes on in relief. That's a little less hyperbolic than desired, but Couch threw 3.1 innings of 1 run ball, with a single HR given up before toughing it out a few more outs. Fun fact: Michael Choice hit the HR, I remember when he used to be a good prospect but I forgot he was drafted 3 picks ahead of Chris Sale, 5 picks after Pomeranz and 403 picks before Keith Couch. I have absolutely no idea what I'm trying to say.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 24, 2016 17:41:04 GMT -5
It's been 100 PAs in AA, and his historical strikeout rates are fine. If he's still striking out so often at the end of the year, the risk escalates, but we're not there yet. K rate stabilise after 60 PAs, he has 112 PAs so far. I also don't think that striking out at 20+% vs A ball pitchers while not being challenged hard in terms of age advancement (Devers,Xander) is "fine". The closest analogy I can come up with is Byron Buxton: The uber athlete with contact issues (their numbers in High A look similar too)
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