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7/28-7/31 Red Sox @ Angels Series Thread
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Post by bosox81 on Jul 31, 2016 6:56:22 GMT -5
Not quite sure people why are concerned about the offense. It's been the offense that has carried this team so far.
Now, if you're concerned about Pomeranz that's another story.
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Post by jmei on Jul 31, 2016 7:33:50 GMT -5
Because Castillo counting $0 against the cap is more valuable than anything he could do on the field. The Red Sox are in their second year of being over the tax, so they pay a 30% tax rate. Castillo has a $10.5m salary this year. Brentz was called up on 6/24; let's assume that Chris Young is out for the season and they will a RHH for the rest of the season. Castillo would thus cost them an extra $1.6m or so in luxury tax payments if they called him up instead of Brentz. To a team like the Red Sox, that should be peanuts. Remember, it's not like Brentz is getting insignificant playing time. Since he was called up, Brentz has started in 12 and appeared in 17 of their 30 games. Between platooning with Holt in LF, giving Betts/Bradley days off, and filling in for Holt when Holt is playing the infield, that RHH fourth outfielder will start 40-50% of their games. Brentz can run into one every once in a while, but his lack of plate discipline and contact is clear, and he's a fringy defender and baserunner. Even in a half-season of part-time play, I'd guess Castillo is somewhere between a half win to a full win better. It's the little things like that that can make the difference between winning the division or making the playoffs and not, and it's no time for John Henry to start cheaping out on us.
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Post by Smittyw on Jul 31, 2016 8:31:29 GMT -5
I'm really starting to worry that the Lackey trade isn't going to work out. Gutless trade. Ben got schlonged, as Trump would say. Maybe the Red Sox need some pointers from Brian Cashman on how to sell effectively.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 31, 2016 8:52:55 GMT -5
“@jmastrodonato: Boom or bust Red Sox offense of late: In last 10 games (including tonight), have scored either 3 or less OR 8 or more. Nothing in between.” Fewer.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 31, 2016 9:14:34 GMT -5
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Pedro also called ruby de la rosa the next Pedro and we saw how that turned out. We did? I haven't been watching any Diamondbacks games, actually, but looking at the stats, Rubby is at least pitching better than the guy we traded him for... Rubby was actually having a good year and trending in the right direction - 3.66 xFIP, 9.25 K/9 2.85 K/BB - but now he's on the 60 day DL.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jul 31, 2016 10:00:20 GMT -5
Because Castillo counting $0 against the cap is more valuable than anything he could do on the field. The Red Sox are in their second year of being over the tax, so they pay a 30% tax rate. Castillo has a $10.5m salary this year. Brentz was called up on 6/24; let's assume that Chris Young is out for the season and they will a RHH for the rest of the season. Castillo would thus cost them an extra $1.6m or so in luxury tax payments if they called him up instead of Brentz. To a team like the Red Sox, that should be peanuts. Remember, it's not like Brentz is getting insignificant playing time. Since he was called up, Brentz has started in 12 and appeared in 17 of their 30 games. Between platooning with Holt in LF, giving Betts/Bradley days off, and filling in for Holt when Holt is playing the infield, that RHH fourth outfielder will start 40-50% of their games. Brentz can run into one every once in a while, but his lack of plate discipline and contact is clear, and he's a fringy defender and baserunner. Even in a half-season of part-time play, I'd guess Castillo is somewhere between a half win to a full win better. It's the little things like that that can make the difference between winning the division or making the playoffs and not, and it's no time for John Henry to start cheaping out on us. I had given praise to Brentz. After watching his AB's on this call up. Its evident he is a AAAA player. No bat speed. No speed in general. Not a very good option even on the bench. Nice to see Craig in Lowell. You talk about "taking" someones money. If it were me and I was done as a ML ballplayer I would at least retire with dignity. Amazing what a bust that trade was..
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Post by Guidas on Jul 31, 2016 10:59:21 GMT -5
The Red Sox are in their second year of being over the tax, so they pay a 30% tax rate. Castillo has a $10.5m salary this year. Brentz was called up on 6/24; let's assume that Chris Young is out for the season and they will a RHH for the rest of the season. Castillo would thus cost them an extra $1.6m or so in luxury tax payments if they called him up instead of Brentz. To a team like the Red Sox, that should be peanuts. Remember, it's not like Brentz is getting insignificant playing time. Since he was called up, Brentz has started in 12 and appeared in 17 of their 30 games. Between platooning with Holt in LF, giving Betts/Bradley days off, and filling in for Holt when Holt is playing the infield, that RHH fourth outfielder will start 40-50% of their games. Brentz can run into one every once in a while, but his lack of plate discipline and contact is clear, and he's a fringy defender and baserunner. Even in a half-season of part-time play, I'd guess Castillo is somewhere between a half win to a full win better. It's the little things like that that can make the difference between winning the division or making the playoffs and not, and it's no time for John Henry to start cheaping out on us. I had given praise to Brentz. After watching his AB's on this call up. Its evident he is a AAAA player. No bat speed. No speed in general. Not a very good option even on the bench. Nice to see Craig in Lowell. You talk about "taking" someones money. If it were me and I was done as a ML ballplayer I would at least retire with dignity. Amazing what a bust that trade was.. 1) Most elite athletes I've known well enough to chat with, and in few cases train with (or at least in the same facility and sometimes in the same group), didn't want to admit they were ever "done." In fact to a person the sentiment seemed to be that if they could just get healthy or just get past situation X in their game they'd be back to peak performance. Facing reality and decline is difficult for most of us. Now imagine that said decline threatens your livelihood and everything you've done for more than 20 years. And that you're only in your early 30s. 2) I wonder how many of us would "retire with dignity" when you have approximately 13 million reasons not to. The reply "he's made a lot why does he need this?" is a hollow argument (see ESPN's 30 for 30 "Broke," or see human nature in general). There's also the proposition that, in his mind, he's earned every cent of that money in all those years he was being paid less than minimum wage (or nothing as an amateur),honing his craft and producing at well below market rate. It's his, period. Finally, it goes back to point 1 - if you've not made money any other way before and you have a contract that says these people owe you another $13 million or so, and the end of this occupation is also likely staring you in the face, do you think you'd really walk away with "dignity"? Or would you try to work your way through the next year and a half for all the reasons already stated, and if you don't make a comeback, at least get paid and ensure the freedom and lifestyle for you and your family that you've grown so accustomed to (unless, like the 30 for 30 doc participants, you've pissed everything else away and are in crazy debt, in which case you need it even more)? Of course, if you tell us that you've walked away from this much guaranteed money or more in your life because you could no longer do your job and didn't want to "take" someone else's money, then your moral fiber and personal character are so exceptional that you have nearly reached nirvana and will soon be departing the earthly plane for a higher form of consciousness and wonder.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 31, 2016 11:18:34 GMT -5
I had given praise to Brentz. After watching his AB's on this call up. Its evident he is a AAAA player. No bat speed. No speed in general. Not a very good option even on the bench. Nice to see Craig in Lowell. You talk about "taking" someones money. If it were me and I was done as a ML ballplayer I would at least retire with dignity. Amazing what a bust that trade was.. 1) Most elite athletes I've known well enough to chat with, and in few cases train with (or at least in the same facility and sometimes in the same group), didn't want to admit they were ever "done." In fact to a person the sentiment seemed to be that if they could just get healthy or just get past situation X in their game they'd be back to peak performance. Facing reality and decline is difficult for most of us. Now imagine that said decline threatens your livelihood and everything you've done for more than 20 years. And that you're only in your early 30s. 2) I wonder how many of us would "retire with dignity" when you have approximately 13 million reasons not to. The reply "he's made a lot why does he need this?" is a hollow argument (see ESPN's 30 for 30 "Broke," or see human nature in general). There's also the proposition that, in his mind, he's earned every cent of that money in all those years he was being paid less than minimum wage (or nothing as an amateur),honing his craft and producing at well below market rate. It's his, period. Finally, it goes back to point 1 - if you've not made money any other way before and you have a contract that says these people owe you another $13 million or so, and the end of this occupation is also likely staring you in the face, do you think you'd really walk away with "dignity"? Or would you try to work your way through the next year and a half for all the reasons already stated, and if you don't make a comeback, at least get paid and ensure the freedom and lifestyle for you and your family that you've grown so accustomed to (unless, like the 30 for 30 doc participants, you've pissed everything else away and are in crazy debt, in which case you need it even more)? Of course, if you tell us that you've walked away from this much guaranteed money or more in your life because you could no longer do your job and didn't want to "take" someone else's money, then your moral fiber and personal character are so exceptional that you have nearly reached nirvana and will soon be departing the earthly plane for a higher form of consciousness and wonder. I am hopeful he will remain behind as a teacher. Others might follow his way toward enlightenment.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jul 31, 2016 13:26:21 GMT -5
These west cost trips kill me. Sox don't win a lot and I can't stay up for most of the games. Hope the floater ball can get a win in a game I can watch. Good to see big papi in the line- up, Not the typical Sunday white flag.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Jul 31, 2016 13:30:53 GMT -5
Benintendi 3 for 3 with 2 homers and a double
LF #soon
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Post by humanbeingbean on Jul 31, 2016 13:34:03 GMT -5
Benintendi 3-3 with 2 homers and a double LF #soon Funny how the best and most resourceful upgrades to your team are right in front of you the whole time.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jul 31, 2016 13:37:47 GMT -5
I had given praise to Brentz. After watching his AB's on this call up. Its evident he is a AAAA player. No bat speed. No speed in general. Not a very good option even on the bench. Nice to see Craig in Lowell. You talk about "taking" someones money. If it were me and I was done as a ML ballplayer I would at least retire with dignity. Amazing what a bust that trade was.. 1) Most elite athletes I've known well enough to chat with, and in few cases train with (or at least in the same facility and sometimes in the same group), didn't want to admit they were ever "done." In fact to a person the sentiment seemed to be that if they could just get healthy or just get past situation X in their game they'd be back to peak performance. Facing reality and decline is difficult for most of us. Now imagine that said decline threatens your livelihood and everything you've done for more than 20 years. And that you're only in your early 30s. 2) I wonder how many of us would "retire with dignity" when you have approximately 13 million reasons not to. The reply "he's made a lot why does he need this?" is a hollow argument (see ESPN's 30 for 30 "Broke," or see human nature in general). There's also the proposition that, in his mind, he's earned every cent of that money in all those years he was being paid less than minimum wage (or nothing as an amateur),honing his craft and producing at well below market rate. It's his, period. Finally, it goes back to point 1 - if you've not made money any other way before and you have a contract that says these people owe you another $13 million or so, and the end of this occupation is also likely staring you in the face, do you think you'd really walk away with "dignity"? Or would you try to work your way through the next year and a half for all the reasons already stated, and if you don't make a comeback, at least get paid and ensure the freedom and lifestyle for you and your family that you've grown so accustomed to (unless, like the 30 for 30 doc participants, you've pissed everything else away and are in crazy debt, in which case you need it even more)? Of course, if you tell us that you've walked away from this much guaranteed money or more in your life because you could no longer do your job and didn't want to "take" someone else's money, then your moral fiber and personal character are so exceptional that you have nearly reached nirvana and will soon be departing the earthly plane for a higher form of consciousness and wonder. Your a shrink ain't you? When you see a Player make it to the highest level with pretty good success then see the same player at the lowest level due to injury or whatever the excuse is, I see no reason not to question the player. In this case Craig should be ? I understand he signed a contract, but my god, if your done your done. If injury is the common factor in this case, buy him out, pay him out and be done with it. No reason for this player to be taking up a Roster spot in Lowell where younger players need to play and develop.. Far as the money you say, HAHAHAHAHA. Ok brother
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 31, 2016 14:11:24 GMT -5
We did? I haven't been watching any Diamondbacks games, actually, but looking at the stats, Rubby is at least pitching better than the guy we traded him for... Rubby was actually having a good year and trending in the right direction - 3.66 xFIP, 9.25 K/9 2.85 K/BB - but now he's on the 60 day DL. Not buying xFIP for a guy who's had serious home run problems his entire career. Almost everything you can say about RDLR, you can say about Joe Kelly. He's got great stuff, it looks like he's figuring it out... oh wait he just gave up 17 home runs and hit the DL, nevermind.
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Post by sierram363 on Jul 31, 2016 14:53:00 GMT -5
This game isn't starting very well.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 31, 2016 14:53:32 GMT -5
Buckle up. This is looking like it will be a bumpy ride.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 31, 2016 14:56:28 GMT -5
What was that? I love that Wright touched the plate first, like that would have had any effect.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 31, 2016 14:57:24 GMT -5
How did the runners not advance on that play at the plate? That's horrible base running.
Also, it's time for the ball to start getting hit to our guys.
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Post by bosox on Jul 31, 2016 14:58:56 GMT -5
Hanigan is having a tough time behind the plate today.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 31, 2016 14:58:58 GMT -5
LOL Simmons was like "hey this looks easy I'll just flail away at it!"
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Post by nomar on Jul 31, 2016 14:59:32 GMT -5
That was cool
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 31, 2016 14:59:57 GMT -5
Two guys thrown out at home in one inning with the pitcher getting both putouts. Wow. When was the last time that happened Alex Speier?
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 31, 2016 15:00:05 GMT -5
tf is this?
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 31, 2016 15:00:50 GMT -5
Hanigan is having a tough time behind the plate today. Yeah, for some inexplicable reason Farrell thinks Hanigan is better than other catchers catching the knuckleball.
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Post by bosox on Jul 31, 2016 15:02:18 GMT -5
Good hustle by Hanley.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 31, 2016 15:03:21 GMT -5
Looking at it again on replay makes me appreciate Hanigan's throw to end the inning even more. Not only did he scramble to the ball and get the throw off really fast, the location of the throw was pretty much perfect.
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