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9/9-9/11 Red Sox @ Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by theolearyfactor on Sept 10, 2016 15:04:12 GMT -5
Right, but I would've waited for him to advance into scoring position to make the switch. Moncada at first in that situation is a non-factor given the two outs. How so, if there is a ball hit to the gap by Mookie there's a chance Moncada can score. There's no chance Ortiz can. That's speculative. But I suppose there's a better chance of that happening than the order snaking back around to Ortiz's spot I guess. Good point.
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Post by bluechip on Sept 10, 2016 15:07:55 GMT -5
So so so stupid to let Young hit there. Plenty of lefties on the bench.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 10, 2016 15:07:58 GMT -5
With no outs they shouldve tried to bunt Hanley over there. Now they need a long double or homer.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 10, 2016 15:09:39 GMT -5
That was predictable. That's why it's hard to have a ton of faith in this team, despite how talented and good a team this is. It's like you can set your watch to this team.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 10, 2016 15:09:44 GMT -5
The Blue Jays played really well. Normally it wouldnt bug me if this team wasn't just atrocious in one run games.
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 10, 2016 15:09:54 GMT -5
Seriously, this team gives me ulcers.
I'm so fed up of losing 1 run games where the starter does their job. This offense is so damn inconsistent.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 10, 2016 15:10:40 GMT -5
Tough game to win. The Jays had more to lose there and sometimes that means alot in the outcome. Not pinch hitting Young in either at bat was really weird. I am seeing that Farrell is really an overall negative to the team's chances. Let's get tomorrow and it will be an outstanding road trip.
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 10, 2016 15:10:41 GMT -5
One of these days I guess. You might even say the Red Sox were Happless.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Sept 10, 2016 15:11:33 GMT -5
hey, at least we didn't blow the game. I'm completely fine with just a regular, run of the mill loss.
Do us proud tomorrow Clay.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 10, 2016 15:14:19 GMT -5
Pretty obvious why the Sox underperform their pythaogrean record. Such wasted opportunities. Leadoff man on in the 9th and they can't do anything with him and Farrell refuses to pinch-hit for Young, despite a pretty full bench.
By the end of today the Jays are one out, the O's could be 2 out and the Yanks could be 3 out.
Tomorrow is a huge game. I hope the Sox have good Clay going tomorrow. And I hope they actually score enough runs to win tomorrow.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 10, 2016 15:15:04 GMT -5
Why can't they win every game dammit?
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Post by Canseco on Sept 10, 2016 15:15:15 GMT -5
1) Why is León not hitting for Young? 2) Will JBJ ever fix the massive hole in his swing on slightly elevated, middle-in fastballs? 3) On to tomorrow. Let's win. Every one of us would've been thrilled to take 2/3 here. Do it. Do it.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 10, 2016 15:19:30 GMT -5
Ugh,I was thinking today was the game to win to win the series. Tomorrow's matchup doesn't look good. We can look forward to that and the Pats playing an excellent team on the road with the FB equivalent of a bunch of Ryan LaMarres on the O-line and no TB12.
I don't understand letting Young hit there.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 10, 2016 15:27:24 GMT -5
Why can't they win every game dammit? How about why can't they win ANY close game dammit?
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Post by Guidas on Sept 10, 2016 15:29:33 GMT -5
This is where pissing away those two games in Oak and SD in particular comes back to bite.
The one-run game thing is troubling as that is very often the margin in playoff games.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 10, 2016 15:39:56 GMT -5
2) Will JBJ ever fix the massive hole in his swing on slightly elevated, middle-in fastballs? If he didn't have that hole, he'd probably be the second best player in MLB. Most guys do have a sector of the zone where they can be pitched to, and he's no different. You notice it more for the very reason that he can kill the ball everywhere else. The most annoying thing about this game was not the Sox performance but the reminder that Fox will be broadcasting the WS. Fox, who alone on the planet thinks that no one wants to see a live strike zone on the screen (perhaps they're getting a large payout from the umpires union?) and whose announcers just established an MLB first by calling a game decided by an unearned run and never once mentioning the fact in any way. The low level of insight about the players is sad, too. Kelly throws a curveball strike as his first pitch, and no one in the booth knows that he's adopted it as his #2 pitch, with surprising effectiveness, given that it has been a below-average pitch for him in his career. Nothing about Pedroia's change of approach as a leadoff hitter. They called Sandy Leon "the backup catcher." And most of all, nothing about E-Rod's lack of FB command and his solid success in spite of it. Nor did they know that he doesn't throw a curve. It's like they were limited by law to two facts about him (that his changeup breaks two different ways, and that he had a pitch-tipping problem).
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 10, 2016 15:41:47 GMT -5
This is where pissing away those two games in Oak and SD in particular comes back to bite. The one-run game thing is troubling as that is very often the margin in playoff games.Exactly. That will most likely be the epithet of this team when all is said and done. I don't think anybody here can make a real argument that the Red Sox AREN'T the most talented team in this division, and it's even hard to argue that they're not the most talented team in the league. This team should have a good five or six game lead and should be on cruise control. Instead they are just three and half games ahead of a Yankees team whose FO waved the white flag at the end of July. The Sox could eek out a first place finish, could grab one of the two wild cards, or could miss the playoffs altogether. It's not hard to imagine any of those scenarios unfolding. Makes for excitement you can say, but these close games - makes for a lot of exciting Red Sox games where you feel very disappointed in the end, and I think that's what finishes off the team this season, with the big mystery being does this happen in the ALDS, the Wild Card playoff game or on Oct 2nd against Toronto? I hope I'm wrong, but I think as you play higher caliber teams the number of close games increases - you can't blow out a team 13-3 every night. Sooner or later you have to start consistently winning the 3-2 games and the 5-4 games as well.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 10, 2016 15:53:44 GMT -5
Why can't they win every game dammit? How about why can't they win ANY close game dammit? They were 16-15 in one-run games on August 23rd. They're 0-6 since ... but 9-8 overall. Since August 29th, they're 7-4, and the losses have been 1-0, 2-1, 3-2, and 4-3. The victories have been 8-6, 5-1, 7-2, 9-4, 11-2, 13-3, and 16-2. That's 75 RS and 30 RA, which is 9.4 wins, Pythagorean. There was some JF bone-headedness earlier but it's been a lot of luck, too. The four losses were started by Pomeranz, Rodriguez, Pomeranz, and Rodriguez.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 10, 2016 15:54:00 GMT -5
Most of this is on the players but not PHing for Young against Benoit with two men on was probably the most egregious non-move of the game.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 10, 2016 15:59:05 GMT -5
How about why can't they win ANY close game dammit? They were 16-15 in one-run games on August 23rd. They're 0-6 since ... but 9-8 overall. Since August 29th, they're 7-4, and the losses have been 1-0, 2-1, 3-2, and 4-3. The victories have been 8-6, 5-1, 7-2, 9-4, 11-2, 13-3, and 16-2. That's 75 RS and 30 RA, which is 9.4 wins, Pythagorean. There was some JF bone-headedness earlier but it's been a lot of luck, too. The four losses were started by Pomeranz, Rodriguez, Pomeranz, and Rodriguez. And next up is Sanchez, who has shown no let-up despite the innings increasing in context to last year. I was hoping they had him in the pen by now.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 10, 2016 17:29:11 GMT -5
They were 16-15 in one-run games on August 23rd. They're 0-6 since ... but 9-8 overall. Since August 29th, they're 7-4, and the losses have been 1-0, 2-1, 3-2, and 4-3. The victories have been 8-6, 5-1, 7-2, 9-4, 11-2, 13-3, and 16-2. That's 75 RS and 30 RA, which is 9.4 wins, Pythagorean. There was some JF bone-headedness earlier but it's been a lot of luck, too. The four losses were started by Pomeranz, Rodriguez, Pomeranz, and Rodriguez. And next up is Sanchez, who has shown no let-up despite the innings increasing in context to last year. I was hoping they had him in the pen by now. Actually, in August and September (last 5 starts) he's 90 ERA-, 95 FIP-, 99 xFIP- after being 63, 77, 82 through July 31. I'll have all of those numbers late tonight or early tomorrow.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 10, 2016 19:11:29 GMT -5
It has gotten more difficult for Sanchez. Watched a game about a month ago and as the innings wore on, he did also. He wasn't finishing and so was leaving pitches high in the zone. They were getting hit hard.
My impression was that he was gassed. I started to understand why the Jays were looking to get him down time. It is getting to that part of the season where wear and tear take a toll.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 10, 2016 20:13:14 GMT -5
This is where pissing away those two games in Oak and SD in particular comes back to bite. The one-run game thing is troubling as that is very often the margin in playoff games.Exactly. That will most likely be the epithet of this team when all is said and done. I don't think anybody here can make a real argument that the Red Sox AREN'T the most talented team in this division, and it's even hard to argue that they're not the most talented team in the league. This team should have a good five or six game lead and should be on cruise control. Instead they are just three and half games ahead of a Yankees team whose FO waved the white flag at the end of July. The Sox could eek out a first place finish, could grab one of the two wild cards, or could miss the playoffs altogether. It's not hard to imagine any of those scenarios unfolding. Makes for excitement you can say, but these close games - makes for a lot of exciting Red Sox games where you feel very disappointed in the end, and I think that's what finishes off the team this season, with the big mystery being does this happen in the ALDS, the Wild Card playoff game or on Oct 2nd against Toronto? I hope I'm wrong, but I think as you play higher caliber teams the number of close games increases - you can't blow out a team 13-3 every night. Sooner or later you have to start consistently winning the 3-2 games and the 5-4 games as well. Epitaph.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 10, 2016 20:14:53 GMT -5
This is where pissing away those two games in Oak and SD in particular comes back to bite. The one-run game thing is troubling as that is very often the margin in playoff games.Exactly. That will most likely be the epithet of this team when all is said and done. I don't think anybody here can make a real argument that the Red Sox AREN'T the most talented team in this division, and it's even hard to argue that they're not the most talented team in the league. This team should have a good five or six game lead and should be on cruise control. Instead they are just three and half games ahead of a Yankees team whose FO waved the white flag at the end of July. The Sox could eek out a first place finish, could grab one of the two wild cards, or could miss the playoffs altogether. It's not hard to imagine any of those scenarios unfolding. Makes for excitement you can say, but these close games - makes for a lot of exciting Red Sox games where you feel very disappointed in the end, and I think that's what finishes off the team this season, with the big mystery being does this happen in the ALDS, the Wild Card playoff game or on Oct 2nd against Toronto? I hope I'm wrong, but I think as you play higher caliber teams the number of close games increases - you can't blow out a team 13-3 every night. Sooner or later you have to start consistently winning the 3-2 games and the 5-4 games as well. Epitaph.
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Post by bosox81 on Sept 10, 2016 20:21:34 GMT -5
Only Tom Verduci would complain about a easy pop out that Moncada didn't run out. I didn't watch the game, but on the replay Moncada clearly stopped running to make sure the ball was not going to get caught. He forgot there were two outs. Hopefully, this is just a little mistake and not something chronic.
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