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Jon Gray
Sept 17, 2016 22:58:56 GMT -5
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Post by telson13 on Sept 17, 2016 22:58:56 GMT -5
I'm curious what people think it would take to pry Gray away from the Rockies, and the wisdom of such a move. Gray strikes me as a breakout waiting to happen, especially as a FB-SL-CB-CH guy whose breaking stuff would improve away from Coors. He looks like a future 1, or at least a 1a/2, to me, and he still has plenty of control left without yet breaking out (similar to Scherzer prior to the Tigers-DBacks trade). Is there a viable trade without creating a big hole at the MLB level? Would Pomeranz be a sufficient deal-starter, and if so, who's the second (and third) piece?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Sept 18, 2016 0:48:13 GMT -5
Better topic for the trade subforum.
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Jon Gray
Sept 18, 2016 9:04:31 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Sept 18, 2016 9:04:31 GMT -5
Why would Colorado be interested in Pomeranz at all?
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Jon Gray
Sept 18, 2016 9:42:58 GMT -5
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Post by humanbeingbean on Sept 18, 2016 9:42:58 GMT -5
Gray is definitely someone I'd be willing to include Kopech in. Obviously would take a lot more than just him, but he'd be a central piece. I'm not too good at proposing trades/feeling out trade values, but do Kopech and Sam Travis serve as a foundational starting point? Then add more? And this is assuming Colorado would even want to trade him...
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Jon Gray
Sept 18, 2016 21:32:17 GMT -5
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Post by telson13 on Sept 18, 2016 21:32:17 GMT -5
Why would Colorado be interested in Pomeranz at all? They probably wouldn't, unless the Sox signed him to a reasonable extension, and given how he's pitched, he's lost a lot of value. That's my point though...where do you start, if you're trying to upgrade for the future? Bradley is too much, but any one top prospect probably isn't enough, especially after Swihart had the year he did. Still, I'd like to see the Sox try to catch young pitchers before they break out. CO is probably too high on him to find a reasonable match, but he's exactly the type of pitcher I think the Sox should go after for a 4/5 slot guy they can continue to develop.
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Post by amfox1 on Sept 19, 2016 8:02:21 GMT -5
I'm curious what people think it would take to pry Gray away from the Rockies, and the wisdom of such a move. Gray strikes me as a breakout waiting to happen, especially as a FB-SL-CB-CH guy whose breaking stuff would improve away from Coors. He looks like a future 1, or at least a 1a/2, to me, and he still has plenty of control left without yet breaking out (similar to Scherzer prior to the Tigers-DBacks trade). Is there a viable trade without creating a big hole at the MLB level? Would Pomeranz be a sufficient deal-starter, and if so, who's the second (and third) piece? Sure, if Benintendi is the 2nd piece I'd consider Pomeranz as a deal-starter, but I'm not agreeing on Pomeranz as the centerpiece of any trade, especially given his performance in Boston and his elbow injury risk. If I'm Colorado, I'm not trading Gray unless I'm overwhelmed (think Kimbrel trade overwhelmed). If you offer me Kopech and Benintendi, I'd consider it, but I might still say no. Why would they trade Gray for anything less than a sure thing?
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Jon Gray
Sept 19, 2016 10:55:47 GMT -5
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Post by telson13 on Sept 19, 2016 10:55:47 GMT -5
I'm curious what people think it would take to pry Gray away from the Rockies, and the wisdom of such a move. Gray strikes me as a breakout waiting to happen, especially as a FB-SL-CB-CH guy whose breaking stuff would improve away from Coors. He looks like a future 1, or at least a 1a/2, to me, and he still has plenty of control left without yet breaking out (similar to Scherzer prior to the Tigers-DBacks trade). Is there a viable trade without creating a big hole at the MLB level? Would Pomeranz be a sufficient deal-starter, and if so, who's the second (and third) piece? Sure, if Benintendi is the 2nd piece I'd consider Pomeranz as a deal-starter, but I'm not agreeing on Pomeranz as the centerpiece of any trade, especially given his performance in Boston and his elbow injury risk. If I'm Colorado, I'm not trading Gray unless I'm overwhelmed (think Kimbrel trade overwhelmed). If you offer me Kopech and Benintendi, I'd consider it, but I might still say no. Why would they trade Gray for anything less than a sure thing? They wouldn't. That's why I'm curious to see if anyone could come up with a package that wouldn't create a huge hole on the Sox (Benintendi), but that CO might take. Kopech-Pomeranz? But then, you're basically trading Espinoza and Kopech for Gray, which I don't like. The Pomeranz trade has really been a clunker so far, although there's plenty of time to turn it around.
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Jon Gray
Oct 2, 2016 2:47:09 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 2, 2016 2:47:09 GMT -5
Why would Colorado be interested in Pomeranz at all? They probably wouldn't, unless the Sox signed him to a reasonable extension, and given how he's pitched, he's lost a lot of value. That's my point though...where do you start, if you're trying to upgrade for the future? Bradley is too much, but any one top prospect probably isn't enough, especially after Swihart had the year he did. Still, I'd like to see the Sox try to catch young pitchers before they break out. CO is probably too high on him to find a reasonable match, but he's exactly the type of pitcher I think the Sox should go after for a 4/5 slot guy they can continue to develop. Pomeranz has already pitched for the Rockies and failed. If the Rockies are trading Gray, it's going to be for young arms. This would of been the perfect time to trade Espinoza, ohh wait....
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 3, 2016 2:42:36 GMT -5
These type of trades never happen for a reason they make no sense for either team. Why would a team give up on a player they developed before he reaches his potential? The third overall pick. Second if the Sox did get him they would have to overpay for an unproven player, hoping he reaches his potential. It just makes no sense. If they were willing to trade him for something other than an overpay it would be a major red flag for me.
Only time I can remember this happening recently was the Bauer trade. Reports came out Arizona had doubts about him and that seems to be right as he has yet to reach his potential.
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Jon Gray
Oct 11, 2016 22:19:45 GMT -5
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Post by larrycook on Oct 11, 2016 22:19:45 GMT -5
I love watching gray pitch. I think he would be fantastic in Boston.
But I have three untouchables in the Boston minor league system, groome, kopech and moncada. There is no way to get gray without giving up an untouchable or two from the minors, but others.
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