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9/19-9/22 Red Sox @ Orioles Series Thread
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Post by telson13 on Sept 21, 2016 22:09:55 GMT -5
If aliens land and the fate of the planet hangs on the outcome of one baseball game Buchholz is my starter....alright...I'm a little excited. I'm still going with Pedro. Yup. Kershaw may be in the midst of a similar peak, but he's Pedro's polar antithesis in playoff games.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 21, 2016 22:11:45 GMT -5
Aug 18, 2016 at 2:46pm telson13 said: Aug 18, 2016 at 10:07am geostorm said: 100% agree...when you had posted on this or another thread, how this seems to be missing "something", that, as I recall, that you couldn't quite put your finger on, despite them having shown, in stretches, how dynamic their offense could be, and, more recently, how effective their SPs could be, pitching to their talent... ...the imagery that came to mind, at that time, was of kick-starting a just completed restoration of a classic motorcycle, that turned over, but didn't quite fire-up... but you knew when it did, it would really "go"!(I probably watch too much "American Pickers" or "American Restoration"! ) That's a great image. Sept 21, 2016 Hey, Telson - a month or so later, I think she's really "going", now! :-) Yup, like a bat outta hell.
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Post by soxjim on Sept 21, 2016 22:24:06 GMT -5
Once Holt returns I would like to see him play 3b a bunch during the last week of the season. Shaw and Hill both are not getting in done. Shaw looked great for those 3 or 4 games after Moncada was called up but it seems he has fallen back into old habits. His at bats are too often unproductive. I think Holt will provide greater value in his at bats during the postseason than Shaw would at this point. I'm as big of a fan as Holt as anyone. Up until this year I didn't like the comments of him as a super-sub only.
However this year he's had some key errors but worse he is hitting an awful .111 vs lefties. Odd that other two years he hit lefties well. This year before we clinch I wouldn't have him approach the batters box vs a lefty.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 21, 2016 22:34:14 GMT -5
why is the kid batting 9th So he could hit a 3-run homer on this night with those guys on?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 21, 2016 22:47:16 GMT -5
Once Holt returns I would like to see him play 3b a bunch during the last week of the season. Shaw and Hill both are not getting in done. Shaw looked great for those 3 or 4 games after Moncada was called up but it seems he has fallen back into old habits. His at bats are too often unproductive. I think Holt will provide greater value in his at bats during the postseason than Shaw would at this point. Two things: Shaw is a very streaky hitter, so he might wake up tomorrow and make you eat those words; I hope the team keeps Holt far away from the permanent 3B job because he's not anywhere near good enough with the glove for a permanent gig.
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Post by telluricrook on Sept 21, 2016 23:02:40 GMT -5
Are the Red Sox peaking too early?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 21, 2016 23:11:36 GMT -5
Are the Red Sox peaking too early? You mean during the last week and a half as they finally blow by the competition by systematically eliminating each of those teams?
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Post by telluricrook on Sept 21, 2016 23:25:38 GMT -5
Are the Red Sox peaking too early? You mean during the last week and a half as they finally blow by the competition by systematically eliminating each of those teams? Idk but all i know is that if the playoffs started tomorrow this team would win the world series.
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Post by radiohix on Sept 21, 2016 23:27:39 GMT -5
Are the Red Sox peaking too early? The goal is to win the division and with the part of the scheduele where they only face AL east opponents coming they peaked. So no, it's not too early, it was the right time to get hot!
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 21, 2016 23:57:36 GMT -5
Ah the joys of watching the Orioles completely self-destruct.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 22, 2016 0:06:09 GMT -5
I think the win tonight just about sewed up the division title. Now if the Indians will finally lose, maybe the Sox can get home field advantage for the 1st round - at this point it's really the only carrot at the end of the stick that's still dangling.
This past week has been a blast to watch: solid pitching with consistent hitting, good defense, clutch hitting, and taking advantage of opponent's mistakes.
Tonight Buchholz looked good and Benintendi really put a charge into the ball. They're winning with three spots in the lineup really struggling. Shaw is still struggling. Bogaerts hasn't really hit since the All-star break. And Sandy Leon is plummeting back down to earth. If the Sox can get Bogaerts some rest, he could benefit a lot. If they get him going between Pedroia and Ortiz in the lineup and Betts gets some rest and Hanley stays hot, that 1-5 spot in the order will be downright scary - and maybe some day JBJ will get moved to the #6 spot in the order, ahead of Shaw, Leon, and Benintendi - assuming they don't want to move up Benintendi until next season.
I hope the Sox can clinch in NY with a victory there and render turn the Blue Jays series into a spring training/David Ortiz appreciation series.
I know this sounds like a silly statement, but I really do believe this. This season changed when Hanley connected last Thursday night. I really think they don't go off on this hot streak of theirs if Hanley didn't do what he did last Thursday night. It's like all of the energy fed off of that one moment - this is kind of like the 7/24/04 A-Rod/Tek/Mueller walkoff game that fueled the remainder of 2004 (and yeah I know it took a couple of weeks before they really took off, but that game was the catalyst, just like Hanley's blast was this year.)
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Post by klostrophobic on Sept 22, 2016 0:21:39 GMT -5
Are the Red Sox peaking too early? What makes you think they're peaking? Wright isn't even back and Ortiz hasn't even played in the World Series yet.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 22, 2016 0:37:33 GMT -5
You're a cat who can, apparently, pick a catalyst from any list (of games) that's out there. Good energy from that win, no doubt. There's also been a bit of luck involved.
More than one of the NYY wins could have gone either way. I'd like to think that talent has a bit to do with it as well, and this is a very talented team, one that got even more talented as the season got on - León, Ziegler, the Benintendi kid... It's not over and I hope they keep playing hard, and that they stay lucky.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 22, 2016 1:25:51 GMT -5
If aliens land and the fate of the planet hangs on the outcome of one baseball game Buchholz is my starter....alright...I'm a little excited. I'm still going with Pedro. It's a ludicrous scenario. The aliens would know we'd be starting Pedro and they would invade some other planet entirely.
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Post by costpet on Sept 22, 2016 6:34:46 GMT -5
Benintendi, Bradley Jr., Betts. That outfield will stay intact for years.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 22, 2016 7:14:00 GMT -5
Ah the joys of watching the Orioles completely self-destruct. And all the great Buck Showalter face that goes with that.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 22, 2016 7:44:55 GMT -5
Alex Speier reporting on twitter that JF "could" bat Benny, 6th, tomorrow... That's pretty damn gutsy, replacing Hill there.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 22, 2016 7:51:23 GMT -5
It's interesting to note that the Sox have taken off more recently as the hitting has actually dropped off some (Betts being somewhat less and less consistent of a force recently in addition to the other slumps mentioned above), while the pitching has more than taken up the slack. It's a reminder that the foundation of success in baseball has always seemed to be sound pitching.
I say that to temper expectations a little, because the Cubs have BY FAR the best pitching in baseball this season. While the Sox have been dynamic offensively this season, they can be pitched to.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 22, 2016 8:10:43 GMT -5
It's interesting to note that the Sox have taken off more recently as the hitting has actually dropped off some (Betts being somewhat less and less consistent of a force recently in addition to the other slumps mentioned above), while the pitching has more than taken up the slack. It's a reminder that the foundation of success in baseball has always seemed to be sound pitching. I say that to temper expectations a little, because the Cubs have BY FAR the best pitching in baseball this season. While the Sox have been dynamic offensively this season, they can be pitched to. The Cubs didn't have to face Red Sox hitters either. I really think the difference between leagues and divisions has never been greater.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 22, 2016 8:23:44 GMT -5
Another thing to note is that the Yankees, O's, and Jays face each other 10 more times. So it is very likely that, beyond what the Sox might do for themselves, those 3 may effectively already take a couple of games off the Sox's magic number to win the division. I suppose it's possible the Jays could win all 7 they play against the O's and the Y's.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 22, 2016 8:38:24 GMT -5
6-4 wins the division even if Toronto goes 10-0
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 22, 2016 8:40:47 GMT -5
It ain't over 'til it's over, but ... I've moved past rooting for them to win the division and moved on to rooting for them to clinch before the last series so they can rest some folks, line up for the playoffs, and treat the last weekend with Toronto like some "Goodbye, Papi" celebration games.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 22, 2016 10:44:59 GMT -5
It ain't over 'til it's over, but ... I've moved past rooting for them to win the division and moved on to rooting for them to clinch before the last series so they can rest some folks, line up for the playoffs, and treat the last weekend with Toronto like some "Goodbye, Papi" celebration games. Not that the Sox can't succeed on the road, but I'd like to see them at least tie Cleveland to give them the HFA in the best of 5 series. Obviously not pedal to the metal kind of stuff, but clinching in NY, getting the Bs some rest, paying tribute to Papi, and seeing what Wright might be able to give them - good stuff to look forward to before the season ends.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 22, 2016 11:24:41 GMT -5
i expect the Sox to cruise to another win tonight (lineup variance caveat). The boys are steamrollin' and the O's are a beaten bunch. Price is going to take advantage of this opportunity to put the finishing touches on an above average season.
What I have seen the last seven games (and there were starts and stops of this kind of team since the middle of August) ranks up there as some of the most impressive regular season work I have seen out of the franchise in the 40 years I have been following them. To have this run against archrivals...I don't know if you'd see it another 40 years. Some posters feel we got a little lucky in NY, but I don't see it that way. This kind of team has been percolating all season long, and the game is 9 innings long. Even Hanley's homerun, while lucky, was a defining moment of a team that doesn't quit, and has supreme talent.
We all know it will end at some point....but it will go on for as long as it will go on. There is no reason to think it will stop anytime soon.
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Post by danr on Sept 22, 2016 12:01:25 GMT -5
It is interesting to look at the run differentials in both leagues. Only in the AL west is the order run differential different from the order of the standings. In the AL the Sox are far ahed in runs scored and sixth in runs allowed. The Sox have scored 845 runs, 120 more than Cleveland, which is second. They have allowed 659 runs, which is only 29 more than Cleveland, which has allowed the least. Based on run differentials I would say that Cleveland is the major barrier to the Sox making it to the WS. Of course, these are season-long numbers and don't reflect recent changes such the improvement in the Sox pitching and how other teams are doing in hitting and pitching.
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