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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 17, 2017 9:58:22 GMT -5
I think he meant that he might not clear waivers if he had $5 million guaranteed. It would be like doing the Castillo contract again on purpose so he wouldn't count against the cap or be on the 40 man. I'm not sure what the right number would be to keep him safe. It's not a bad idea. No, I honestly just thought that if a player accepts a minor league assignment he doesn't have to pass through waivers. Or at the very least that you'd be able to put something in his contract to allow for this. Transaction rules are not really a thing I understand, or care to understand for that matter, beyond the broad outlines. OK. Quick n' dirty: - If a player is out of options, he must clear waivers before he can be sent down. - A player may be outrighted once without their permission before they have 3 years of service time. After that they need to accept the assignment or can become a free agent. I do recall now that Kendrick had a clause in his contract this year that he would accept an outright assignment. But I don't think a player like Swihart would agree to do that. What's to gain if another team wants you on its 25-man roster?
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Post by ramireja on Nov 20, 2017 12:56:18 GMT -5
There have been plenty of offseason nuggets regarding Swihart's health, his performance in the Dominican fall/winter league, and his defensive home(s) moving forward. Gammons touches on the latter in his latest piece: How do people feel about Swihart's potential in a super utility role? There has been a lot of anger on the board regarding Swihart's handling in 2016 as a LF option. He's out of options now though, and learning to handle a couple of positions in addition to catcher might be his best bet to stay in Boston.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 20, 2017 13:50:27 GMT -5
He's definitely a good enough athlete to play any position other than SS. He'll probably be a better hitter than Brock Holt (is now). But it'll take a long time to get to adequate at all those positions.
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Post by swingingbunt on Nov 20, 2017 13:59:48 GMT -5
With no options left, this is the Sox last chance to get any value out of Swihart. He won't be getting the reps at catcher needed to get better defensively, but his athleticism might allow him to be adequate in another role. I'm absolutely a homer, but I still think Swihart can be a solid MLB player.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 22:53:58 GMT -5
There have been plenty of offseason nuggets regarding Swihart's health, his performance in the Dominican fall/winter league, and his defensive home(s) moving forward. Gammons touches on the latter in his latest piece: How do people feel about Swihart's potential in a super utility role? There has been a lot of anger on the board regarding Swihart's handling in 2016 as a LF option. He's out of options now though, and learning to handle a couple of positions in addition to catcher might be his best bet to stay in Boston. With the news of other teams having interest in Swihart. And all the talk about Brentz as the 4th outfielder/DH. Swihart is a more diverse athlete than Brentz. Swihart has capability to play 1st 2nd 3rd catcher LF and DH. He is also a switch hitter that has hit for in the minors. Brentz could play the corner OF spots. He has played some first base. And has not hit for average. Dombrowski has spoken highly of Swihart as recently as this week. If a team offers a power lefty reliever or a depth starter then maybe.
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Post by gerry on Jan 8, 2018 2:25:44 GMT -5
There have been plenty of offseason nuggets regarding Swihart's health, his performance in the Dominican fall/winter league, and his defensive home(s) moving forward. Gammons touches on the latter in his latest piece: How do people feel about Swihart's potential in a super utility role? There has been a lot of anger on the board regarding Swihart's handling in 2016 as a LF option. He's out of options now though, and learning to handle a couple of positions in addition to catcher might be his best bet to stay in Boston. With the news of other teams having interest in Swihart. And all the talk about Brentz as the 4th outfielder/DH. Swihart is a more diverse athlete than Brentz. Swihart has capability to play 1st 2nd 3rd catcher LF and DH. He is also a switch hitter that has hit for in the minors. Brentz could play the corner OF spots. He has played some first base. And has not hit for average. Dombrowski has spoken highly of Swihart as recently as this week. If a team offers a power lefty reliever or a depth starter then maybe. Good call re-introducing the Swihart thread, one of the more promising prospects and rookies of the past several years, even on a team with the B-Boys. After all the crap he has been through in his young life, is this kid ready to play ball, or what? He is among the best athletes on a pretty athletic team. He can hit, run, is learning to play multiple positions, already has some good MLB experience in LF and at C, is a switch hitter and is, without doubt, with a strong winter ball performance and a new wife, ready to settle in and start over. With Marco at 2nd for Pedey, this leaves four bench positions. Assuming Leon and Brentz make the team, B.S. is only blocked if both Hanley and Holt are fully healthy as reserves. If they are not, then there is room on the bench for both him and Marrero. So many good choices.
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Post by ericmvan on Jan 8, 2018 2:55:23 GMT -5
Some team's going to need a catcher because of a ST injury, and I wouldn't hesitate to trade Leon and roll the dice with Swihart as the backup. If it backfires, it costs you a win, most likely. The upside is huge, both short- and long-term. It also frees up $2M extra for in-season deals.
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Post by ryan24 on Jan 8, 2018 7:19:20 GMT -5
Some team's going to need a catcher because of a ST injury, and I wouldn't hesitate to trade Leon and roll the dice with Swihart as the backup. If it backfires, it costs you a win, most likely. The upside is huge, both short- and long-term. It also frees up $2M extra for in-season deals. Have thought this was a god idea for quite a while. Leon is a good big league backup catcher. Calls a good game, good defensively and a fair hitter. I think there is a decent market for him. I think swihart can handle the backup job behind CV. But is there any backup in the system if swihart and especially if CV gets hurt? I get the impression Dave would trade swihart if he got the right player. But I am not sure what the market is for swihart? I like swihart. I would keep him and move Leon, But, I do not see anything happening until ST. I also think that Dave is waiting to see how the market for nunez plays out and whether Holt will come back to an acceptable level. Again probably not until ST.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 8:28:02 GMT -5
With the news of other teams having interest in Swihart. And all the talk about Brentz as the 4th outfielder/DH. Swihart is a more diverse athlete than Brentz. Swihart has capability to play 1st 2nd 3rd catcher LF and DH. He is also a switch hitter that has hit for in the minors. Brentz could play the corner OF spots. He has played some first base. And has not hit for average. Dombrowski has spoken highly of Swihart as recently as this week. If a team offers a power lefty reliever or a depth starter then maybe. Good call re-introducing the Swihart thread, one of the more promising prospects and rookies of the past several years, even on a team with the B-Boys. After all the crap he has been through in his young life, is this kid ready to play ball, or what? He is among the best athletes on a pretty athletic team. He can hit, run, is learning to play multiple positions, already has some good MLB experience in LF and at C, is a switch hitter and is, without doubt, with a strong winter ball performance and a new wife, ready to settle in and start over. With Marco at 2nd for Pedey, this leaves four bench positions. Assuming Leon and Brentz make the team, B.S. is only blocked if both Hanley and Holt are fully healthy as reserves. If they are not, then there is room on the bench for both him and Marrero. So many good choices. Hernandez and Holt have options left. Swihart Brentz and Marrero and Leon are out of options. With DD saying the Swihart plan could work out. Could DD mean a trade or release . Or a roster shuffle sending Hernandez and Holt to Pawtucket?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 8, 2018 11:46:47 GMT -5
They're not going to option Brock Holt. If they were, they'd have non-tendered him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 12:57:58 GMT -5
They're not going to option Brock Holt. If they were, they'd have non-tendered him. With the Sox Prospects 2018 projected roster it has Swihart as a trade chip. Is that what he is still viewed as.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 8, 2018 15:22:33 GMT -5
I could see Holt or Swihart as trade candidates. They are kind of a similar player, only Swihart can catch. That would be one reason why I'd be inclined to keep Swihart over Holt though.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 8, 2018 16:16:31 GMT -5
I could see Holt or Swihart as trade candidates. They are kind of a similar player, only Swihart can catch. That would be one reason why I'd be inclined to keep Swihart over Holt though. Maybe on the surface they're similar, but I'd think they're completely different players. Holt is what he is. He has seen his best days. Swihart still has a good amount of ceiling. The Sox probably wouldn't get a lot for him in a deal, but some team looking for cheap catching and not competing for the division, could easily take a chance and see if he reaches his 1st round Buster Posey tool kit ceiling. Odds are he won't, but a healthy Swihart has some pop and can hit - as the Sox saw briefly in 2015. On the Red Sox, he's a utility guy who's not going to dislodge Vazquez at this point and wouldn't play a lot, but on another team he could develop a lot of value, one that can take the growing pains of his relearning how to be a passable major league catcher.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 8, 2018 17:23:34 GMT -5
They're not going to option Brock Holt. If they were, they'd have non-tendered him. With the Sox Prospects 2018 projected roster it has Swihart as a trade chip. Is that what he is still viewed as. I'm not quite sure exactly what your question is (are you asking if what we're saying is what we think? That answer would be yes, of course it is.), but it may be helpful to clarify that "trade candidate" as used on our projections usually refers to a player who doesn't quite fit on the roster, can't be optioned, and is better than a player who is "fighting for a roster spot," rather than "this player has been involved in trade rumors and everyone knows he's being traded" or some such.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 17:59:50 GMT -5
With the Sox Prospects 2018 projected roster it has Swihart as a trade chip. Is that what he is still viewed as. I'm not quite sure exactly what your question is (are you asking if what we're saying is what we think? That answer would be yes, of course it is.), but it may be helpful to clarify that "trade candidate" as used on our projections usually refers to a player who doesn't quite fit on the roster, can't be optioned, and is better than a player who is "fighting for a roster spot," rather than "this player has been involved in trade rumors and everyone knows he's being traded" or some such. That's exactly what I was asking. Wasn't sure when it was last updated. And I feel from reading scouting reports on Swihart that he's the most valuable piece. Best hitter best athlete of Hernandez Marrero Holt and Lin . Would hate to trade him and have him turn into that projection of Buster Posey.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 9, 2018 6:08:41 GMT -5
I think our only way of really keeping Swihart would be is if he's able to be the backup catcher or if he's anywhere close to as versatile as Holt defensively. We're gonna lose some depth for sure. We cannot keep all of Swihart, Brentz, Marrero and Holt, especially if we also have Leon and Hanley on the bench.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 9, 2018 6:36:51 GMT -5
I think our only way of really keeping Swihart would be is if he's able to be the backup catcher or if he's anywhere close to as versatile as Holt defensively. We're gonna lose some depth for sure. We cannot keep all of Swihart, Brentz, Marrero and Holt, especially if we also have Leon and Hanley on the bench. Yeap. I don't see Brentz on the team at all if the Sox get J.D. Martinez in particular. They are the same player, only J.D. is way better with the bat. I think the Sox would option Marco when Pedrioa comes back to keep Marrero around. Although Marrero could also be DFA'd in order to keep Holt around. Hanley could stay on the roster the whole year and contribute or he could become a problem child on the bench if he's not getting enough at bats and the Sox DFA him. The Sox could just promote Sam Travis and form a platoon with Moreland at first base at that point. Still, that is 3 spots filled with Leon, Hanley, and Holt/Marrero. The Sox will eventually have to pick 2 out of the group of Marrero, Holt, and Swihart. I can't see Leon traded as Eric keeps mentioning. He is a rock back there with a arm and he can crush LHP typically. Leon has a good role here. I keep thinking it's going to be Holt with his concussion issues that's gone, and I keep hoping Swihart can catch enough to be a viable backup, but all of these things are unclear at the moment. If Swihart can at least become a viable backup catcher, I maintain that he could become a weapon off the bench. He's got speed, versatility, a little bit of pop, good enough hit tool. That's everything you want off the bench. Who knows with more work everyday on the side on the major league level, maybe he can be a option at the catching position again. I don't trust Vazquez' hit tool, despite the good season he just had. At least Vazquez' defense should be better going forward.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 9:20:45 GMT -5
I think our only way of really keeping Swihart would be is if he's able to be the backup catcher or if he's anywhere close to as versatile as Holt defensively. We're gonna lose some depth for sure. We cannot keep all of Swihart, Brentz, Marrero and Holt, especially if we also have Leon and Hanley on the bench. Yeap. I don't see Brentz on the team at all if the Sox get J.D. Martinez in particular. They are the same player, only J.D. is way better with the bat. I think the Sox would option Marco when Pedrioa comes back to keep Marrero around. Although Marrero could also be DFA'd in order to keep Holt around. Hanley could stay on the roster the whole year and contribute or he could become a problem child on the bench if he's not getting enough at bats and the Sox DFA him. The Sox could just promote Sam Travis and form a platoon with Moreland at first base at that point. Still, that is 3 spots filled with Leon, Hanley, and Holt/Marrero. The Sox will eventually have to pick 2 out of the group of Marrero, Holt, and Swihart. I can't see Leon traded as Eric keeps mentioning. He is a rock back there with a arm and he can crush LHP typically. Leon has a good role here. I keep thinking it's going to be Holt with his concussion issues that's gone, and I keep hoping Swihart can catch enough to be a viable backup, but all of these things are unclear at the moment. If Swihart can at least become a viable backup catcher, I maintain that he could become a weapon off the bench. He's got speed, versatility, a little bit of pop, good enough hit tool. That's everything you want off the bench. Who knows with more work everyday on the side on the major league level, maybe he can be a option at the catching position again. I don't trust Vazquez' hit tool, despite the good season he just had. At least Vazquez' defense should be better going forward. I don't think anyone gets DFA'd. Holt still has 1 option left which would give them time to build some trade value or help them with injuries later on. IMO it will come down to who ever has a good spring. But if all things are equal the Sox bench will be Leon, Hanley, Swihart and Quiroz. With Marrero getting the 2b job out of ST.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 9, 2018 9:36:15 GMT -5
Quiroz isn't part of this equation. If he kills at Pawtucket then he can play himself up to the majors, but he's not going to beat out Holt and Marrero on day one.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 9, 2018 9:54:01 GMT -5
Quiroz isn't part of this equation. If he kills at Pawtucket then he can play himself up to the majors, but he's not going to beat out Holt and Marrero on day one. Or Hernandez, who was said to have the inside track to the 2B job while Pedroia is out. There is a roster crunch barring injury. If JDM is signed and Hanley is still on the team, Brentz is likely a goner. If Hernandez does replace Pedroia, Marrero's job is in jeopardy unless they deal Swihart or Holt doesn't make the team. I doubt that Marrero would make it through waivers, but it is possible.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 9:54:40 GMT -5
Quiroz isn't part of this equation. If he kills at Pawtucket then he can play himself up to the majors, but he's not going to beat out Holt and Marrero on day one. Ok. I agree with you he is a long shot. I think by the end of ST he will be in the conversation. How do you see Swihart playing out?
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 9, 2018 10:12:40 GMT -5
Quiroz isn't part of this equation. If he kills at Pawtucket then he can play himself up to the majors, but he's not going to beat out Holt and Marrero on day one. Ok. I agree with you he is a long shot. I think by the end of ST he will be in the conversation. H ow do you see Swihart playing out?Him becoming great on another team and me yelling about it a lot.
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Post by libertine on Jan 9, 2018 10:36:53 GMT -5
I hope that Swihart is given the shot in Boston that he has never really been given up to this point.
As much as I do like Leon I think there is far more long term upside with Blake than with Sandy.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 9, 2018 10:43:23 GMT -5
Ok. I agree with you he is a long shot. I think by the end of ST he will be in the conversation. H ow do you see Swihart playing out?Him becoming great on another team and me yelling about it a lot. That's funny!! My question is whether Blake is good enough behind the plate right now to be used as the backup if the Sox do, as Eric has mentioned, move Leon. Are the Sox comfortable with him catching 1,2 games a wk and or giving him the reps to improve? If so then he is truly a super utility player and they have to keep him, which should make most of us happy as we have been rooting for him since forever.
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Post by ericmvan on Jan 9, 2018 17:39:34 GMT -5
I think our only way of really keeping Swihart would be is if he's able to be the backup catcher or if he's anywhere close to as versatile as Holt defensively. We're gonna lose some depth for sure. We cannot keep all of Swihart, Brentz, Marrero and Holt, especially if we also have Leon and Hanley on the bench. Yeap. I don't see Brentz on the team at all if the Sox get J.D. Martinez in particular. They are the same player, only J.D. is way better with the bat. I think the Sox would option Marco when Pedrioa comes back to keep Marrero around. Although Marrero could also be DFA'd in order to keep Holt around. Hanley could stay on the roster the whole year and contribute or he could become a problem child on the bench if he's not getting enough at bats and the Sox DFA him. The Sox could just promote Sam Travis and form a platoon with Moreland at first base at that point. Still, that is 3 spots filled with Leon, Hanley, and Holt/Marrero. The Sox will eventually have to pick 2 out of the group of Marrero, Holt, and Swihart. I can't see Leon traded as Eric keeps mentioning. He is a rock back there with a arm and he can crush LHP typically. Leon has a good role here. I keep thinking it's going to be Holt with his concussion issues that's gone, and I keep hoping Swihart can catch enough to be a viable backup, but all of these things are unclear at the moment. If Swihart can at least become a viable backup catcher, I maintain that he could become a weapon off the bench. He's got speed, versatility, a little bit of pop, good enough hit tool. That's everything you want off the bench. Who knows with more work everyday on the side on the major league level, maybe he can be a option at the catching position again. I don't trust Vazquez' hit tool, despite the good season he just had. At least Vazquez' defense should be better going forward. If JDM is the starting DH, then the question is whether Hanley and Brentz are redundant bench pieces. Without going into the details, having two righty pinch-hitters instead of one very much changes the way opposing teams can use their LHR against you. And that allows you a lot more flexibility in the batting order, because you can stack up three or even four lefty hitters in a row and not have it be LHR-bait, if you've done it right. Keep in mind that the standard four-man bench is a catcher, one middle infielder, a backup CF, and a backup 1B / 3B / corner OF type. The Red Sox don't need a backup CF because that role is filled by Benintendi, so you can fill that spot with a corner OF with a better bat. The bench you'd expect given Moreland and Hanley sharing 1B includes a RH-hitting corner outfielder, not a second backup MI. In this scenario it helps if Hanley can play 3B in a pinch (which seems likely) and maybe even be the primary backup (longshot), and they should try that in ST.
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