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Post by greatscottcooper on Sept 8, 2021 13:22:55 GMT -5
I thought I read somewhere that he was sitting 94-95 towards the end of his last start.
Can anyone confirm this? And if so does the Portland gun read hot?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 8, 2021 18:35:20 GMT -5
We talked about Groome on last week's podcast, and his scouting report is updated from Ian's look at him: soxprospects.com/players/groome-jay.htmHe's a very different pitcher than he was before surgery. Used to be potential for 2 plus pitches but unclear what else was there. Now has four averagish or maybe better pitches that he mixes. I see "or better" but is his stuff still that diminished post surgery and do the odds favor a return plus potential?
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Post by patford on Sept 9, 2021 11:08:12 GMT -5
We talked about Groome on last week's podcast, and his scouting report is updated from Ian's look at him: soxprospects.com/players/groome-jay.htmHe's a very different pitcher than he was before surgery. Used to be potential for 2 plus pitches but unclear what else was there. Now has four averagish or maybe better pitches that he mixes. The tweet from Red Sox Stats (sitting 94-96) seems to contradict what Ian observed. Is his stuff ticking up just since Ian saw him ?
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Post by greatscottcooper on Sept 9, 2021 11:30:32 GMT -5
We talked about Groome on last week's podcast, and his scouting report is updated from Ian's look at him: soxprospects.com/players/groome-jay.htmHe's a very different pitcher than he was before surgery. Used to be potential for 2 plus pitches but unclear what else was there. Now has four averagish or maybe better pitches that he mixes. The tweet from Red Sox Stats (sitting 94-96) seems to contradict what Ian observed. Is his stuff ticking up just since Ian saw him ? That's what I was wondering too. Obviously no one sees every single start of his so I'm thinking either the Portland gun inflates speed or his velocity ticked up. If it's the later.....that's just super.
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Post by soxfan511 on Sept 9, 2021 11:59:34 GMT -5
Ian's obviously amazing at scouting but his recent scouting report on Groome projecting him as ceiling of a back end starter with no plus pitch is highly disappointing. I watched the video of Groome's 10 strikeouts in AA and his fastball had late life and looked mid 90s, and the slider looked wicked. How are these not plus pitches? And Ian used to call Groome's curve "Plus Plus" potential now it's average to better?
I think Jay may be undersold here. To me, he looked like Pomeranz except with a much better fastball than flat home run derby Drew.
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Post by patford on Sept 9, 2021 12:00:34 GMT -5
The tweet from Red Sox Stats (sitting 94-96) seems to contradict what Ian observed. Is his stuff ticking up just since Ian saw him ? That's what I was wondering too. Obviously no one sees every single start of his so I'm thinking either the Portland gun inflates speed or his velocity ticked up. If it's the later.....that's just super. It looks like he is making steady progression. Recall that he was flat out very disappointing to bad in the FIL. A lot of that sounded like it was a result of him not being in good condition. As this year progressed he went from some decent outings which were set back by loss of control and resulting middling results to his more recent games where he's not giving up the walks and is still getting the swings and misses. The kid is huge. Once he is fully back and in good physical condition and unafraid to completely cut loose I would guess his FB and curve will be back. If that happens it will be exciting.
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Post by soxfan511 on Sept 9, 2021 12:14:28 GMT -5
That's what I was wondering too. Obviously no one sees every single start of his so I'm thinking either the Portland gun inflates speed or his velocity ticked up. If it's the later.....that's just super. It looks like he is making steady progression. Recall that he was flat out very disappointing to bad in the FIL. A lot of that sounded like it was a result of him not being in good condition. As this year progressed he went from some decent outings which were set back by loss of control and resulting middling results to his more recent games where he's not giving up the walks and is still getting the swings and misses. The kid is huge. Once he is fully back and in good physical condition and unafraid to completely cut loose I would guess his FB and curve will be back. If that happens it will be exciting. Yeah there are no doubt question marks about him, but I think his ceiling is that of a Ace/number 2 starter. He's not some Trey Ball without Talent. Groome has the talent.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 9, 2021 13:33:03 GMT -5
I don't know now because MiLB.TV isn't in the budget but for years, Manchester's gun ran 1-2 MPH faster than Portland's gun. Wasn't that game in Manchester ?
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Post by jaffinator on Sept 9, 2021 16:17:40 GMT -5
I don't know now because MiLB.TV isn't in the budget but for years, Manchester's gun ran 1-2 MPH faster than Portland's gun. Wasn't that game in Manchester ? Unfortunately the broadcast does not show the gun. But the commentators were saying that he was hitting that 94-96 band fairly frequently. If the gun was hot there (it was in Manchester) the commentators would have been relaying a slightly higher velo than was accurate. I think that's what was happening. But I have to say that Groome's fastball really played well in that game regardless. Had a great feel for pitching it high in the zone and inducing swing-and-miss there.
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Post by patford on Sept 9, 2021 17:01:10 GMT -5
One thing about Groome is he's a monster. The guy is 6'6" and while his delivery isn't a fine tuned machine (he's got some wildly inconsistent landing points) his velocity looks effortless. His apparent issues with physical conditioning don't advertise him as a lives and breathes baseball fanatic who will walk through walls to be the best he can be but maybe he needs a mentor-father figure like a Chris Sale to model himself after. Perhaps an expanded rosters call up and a taste of the pros would be huge for him. And does anyone think they would rather see Martin Perez pitch an inning?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 14, 2021 9:18:06 GMT -5
We've sourced that in that start referred to above where he was supposedly sitting 94-95, Groome was sitting 90-93, although he did touch 96 once.
Yesterday he was 89-93.
No shade at RSS by the way. Tough to tell where the broadcast guys are getting the velos sometimes - sometimes it's the stadium gun (horribly unreliable), sometimes they have the Trackman data.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Sept 14, 2021 13:58:14 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 14, 2021 15:16:20 GMT -5
Yeah, super-strong disagree on that take.
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 14, 2021 15:45:59 GMT -5
What a weird note. Doesn't really seem like he has a pulse on the org. Who is even pondering him being a potential September call up? I can imagine literally no scenario where he seriously competes for an opening day spot next year. Even if he comes to camp built like Greek statue with 7 MPH added to his fastball, they'd make him wait a month to come up.
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Post by cdj on Sept 14, 2021 15:52:38 GMT -5
He’s thrown 11 AA innings lol
0.00% chance he starts the season with the big club next year
Only scenario where he competes for a rotation spot next spring is if something truly tragic happens
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Post by wcsoxfan on Sept 14, 2021 16:19:35 GMT -5
What a weird note. Doesn't really seem like he has a pulse on the org. Who is even pondering him being a potential September call up? I can imagine literally no scenario where he seriously competes for an opening day spot next year. Even if he comes to camp built like Greek statue with 7 MPH added to his fastball, they'd make him wait a month to come up. I think a call-up this year, depending on COVID, is much more likely than starting next year.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 14, 2021 16:33:36 GMT -5
It looks like the take is based solely on he is pitching well in Double-A at this moment and next year will be his second year on the 40-man roster.
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Post by larrycook on Sept 14, 2021 19:07:26 GMT -5
His command last game was much better than earlier in the year.
But I did not notice much velocity change from earlier in the year.
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Post by radiohix on Sept 17, 2021 8:42:01 GMT -5
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Post by stunzisox on Sept 22, 2021 17:53:35 GMT -5
We talked about Groome on last week's podcast, and his scouting report is updated from Ian's look at him: soxprospects.com/players/groome-jay.htmHe's a very different pitcher than he was before surgery. Used to be potential for 2 plus pitches but unclear what else was there. Now has four averagish or maybe better pitches that he mixes. “it’s a good sign knowing that I have four plus offerings.” - JG. Seems the young man disagrees wholeheartedly with Ian and your assessments.
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Post by cdj on Sept 22, 2021 19:03:35 GMT -5
We talked about Groome on last week's podcast, and his scouting report is updated from Ian's look at him: soxprospects.com/players/groome-jay.htmHe's a very different pitcher than he was before surgery. Used to be potential for 2 plus pitches but unclear what else was there. Now has four averagish or maybe better pitches that he mixes. “it’s a good sign knowing that I have four plus offerings.” - JG. Seems the young man disagrees wholeheartedly with Ian and your assessments. Well…..I like the confidence lol
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 23, 2021 1:29:52 GMT -5
So far, he's outperforming most expectations from the beginning of the season (including mine).
Likely to start 2022 in Portland but if he builds on what he's already doing there, he may be in Polar Park in the second half, setting him up for a possible a cup of coffee in Kenmore Square in August or September.
Of course, he would need to leapfrog guys like Seabold, Crawford, Bello, Winckowski although the first two might already be on the big club by that time.
By far the biggest news of this year for him (on the field - forget about his kid) is that he pitched a full season with only one brief hiatus (in July, I think to welcome said kid), more than doubling his career starts total.
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Post by tjb21 on Sept 23, 2021 12:34:10 GMT -5
I'm encouraged he's stayed healthy, good for the kid.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 23, 2021 16:15:25 GMT -5
We talked about Groome on last week's podcast, and his scouting report is updated from Ian's look at him: soxprospects.com/players/groome-jay.htmHe's a very different pitcher than he was before surgery. Used to be potential for 2 plus pitches but unclear what else was there. Now has four averagish or maybe better pitches that he mixes. “it’s a good sign knowing that I have four plus offerings.” - JG. Seems the young man disagrees wholeheartedly with Ian and your assessments. If Groome had four plus pitches he'd be the best pitching prospect in baseball. Love his confidence as well but he's not sitting here making an actual objective analysis.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 23, 2021 17:53:34 GMT -5
“it’s a good sign knowing that I have four plus offerings.” - JG. Seems the young man disagrees wholeheartedly with Ian and your assessments. If Groome had four plus pitches he'd be the best pitching prospect in baseball. Love his confidence as well but he's not sitting here making an actual objective asis. I'm sorry, I don't believe you.
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