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Post by Guidas on Aug 11, 2017 10:53:38 GMT -5
Saying chavis will get to Boston in mid 2018, is conditional on two things: 1.) good health. I put a lot of stock in his injuries causing bad results the last two years. I saw him a lot at Greenville when he healthy and after he got back from injury, where he was clearly not 100%, and it showed in his swing. 2.) will he continue to hit? Next April does he get off to a bad start because of the cold damp weather. Will that affect him mentally? I think he has a nice swing, good eye and nice plan at the plate. But he's not had to hit in cold and damp April northeast weather. He's only 21 so even if he got a full year at 22 it would be fine in terms of age/development metrics. I don't see him at 1st for all the reasons listed above, and I am still not sure the bat will translate to higher levels with similar pop. Great to have a guy doing this well, but I think we'll have to wait and see and maybe a position will reveal itself. And, hey, if he really forces his way onto the MLB roster in 2018-19 or so Devers may be a better candidate to move to 1st as his glove is so-so at third, or you could platoon them both between 3rd and DH. Talent has a way of sorting these things out - look no further than 2nd baseman Mookie Betts - who the baseball development people said didn't have the arm for SS and was a "true second baseman"...uh...centerfielder...uh right fielder (and the arm looks plus, btw).
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Aug 11, 2017 10:59:54 GMT -5
Does Chavis-brentz-Travis remind anyone of a Jedi character?
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Post by larrycook on Aug 11, 2017 12:15:47 GMT -5
Saying chavis will get to Boston in mid 2018, is conditional on two things: 1.) good health. I put a lot of stock in his injuries causing bad results the last two years. I saw him a lot at Greenville when he healthy and after he got back from injury, where he was clearly not 100%, and it showed in his swing. 2.) will he continue to hit? Next April does he get off to a bad start because of the cold damp weather. Will that affect him mentally? I think he has a nice swing, good eye and nice plan at the plate. But he's not had to hit in cold and damp April northeast weather. He's only 21 so even if he got a full year at 22 it would be fine in terms of age/development metrics. I don't see him at 1st for all the reasons listed above, and I am still not sure the bat will translate to higher levels with similar pop. Great to have a guy doing this well, but I think we'll have to wait and see and maybe a position will reveal itself. And, hey, if he really forces his way onto the MLB roster in 2018-19 or so Devers may be a better candidate to move to 1st as his glove is so-so at third, or you could platoon them both between 3rd and DH. Talent has a way of sorting these things out - look no further than 2nd baseman Mookie Betts - who the baseball development people said didn't have the arm for SS and was a "true second baseman"...uh...centerfielder...uh right fielder (and the arm looks plus, btw). I would like to see us resign Nunez (3rd base), move devers to 1st and teach chavis the joys of left field at Pawtucket.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 11, 2017 12:30:38 GMT -5
It's nitpicking unless someone has information that Chavis has made a major change. We are talking about Chavis, not players in general. It did cross my mind that Chavis might have reduced his range to stop making errors and improve his numbers. That's why I asked for Ian opinion. Did some research and a 2015 scouting report list his range as the same as Ian current one. So if his range is the same, is he just taking less chances? Holding balls rather than trying to make risky plays? Is there data his chances per inning or game is down? If not I don't get why we are even discussing this. Edit: His range factor per 9 innings, putouts and assists has increased in Portland, 3.2 from 2.5 at Salem per BR. It's nitpicking that I question when you are suggesting that fewer errors in less than 30 games are a good indication that a player is getting better defensively? I honestly don't understand why I'm even being questioned. You cannot just assume what you want to believe and put it on everyone else to prove you wrong with scouting reports. Even if you end up being right in the long run (and I hope you are), there is no proof offered when looking at number of errors in under 30 games. It's statistically meaningless. Did you even read the thread? Or just come straight to my post, wanting to do your right or wrong thing again? That post was in reply to Telson. Who made some good points, but they didn't apply to Chavis. The guy using the word nitpicking a few posts above mine. Not everything is about you. So far we have looked at errors, fielding % and range factor per 9 innings. He has decreased his errors, increased fielding % and increased his range factor. By including the range factor it takes care of Telson valid point. Something I thought about myself. No stats are statistically meaningless in a sample size of around 30 games. They always tell you something. Bigger sample sizes are always better. They reduce the margin of error and filter out other factors that could influence the numbers. Your idea that small sample sizes are statistically meaningless is dead wrong. Again I am simply using those numbers to show that it is more likely than not that Chavis is playing much better defensively. Not to compare two players, rate his defense or vote on the GG award.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 11, 2017 12:58:09 GMT -5
Take a poll and ask if 30 games of errors and fielding percentage is meaningful in evaluating defensive ability. Have fun talking.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 11, 2017 13:28:08 GMT -5
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Aug 11, 2017 14:37:33 GMT -5
it's all a crapshoot with a guy like Chavis. Will he be Will Middlebrooks or Rico Petrocelli or even make it to the majors for more than a cup of coffee even. My main point is there are at least some good indications he might make it. He's not Mookie Betts with off the charts contact rates and gold glove defense in AA but considering the value of right handed power for this team, in Fenway park, in the current mlb milieu, he is worth keeping. I want to see what happens.
And I absolutely like the idea of making him a utility guy when he first comes up. As I said earlier, the infield equivalent of a Chris Young. Or maybe more appropriately a right handed Brock Holt with a lot more pop.
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Post by jmei on Aug 11, 2017 20:44:11 GMT -5
I moved a bunch of off-topic posts to the throwdown subforum.
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Post by patford on Aug 12, 2017 22:31:21 GMT -5
Where they play Chavis from here forward will show if Dombrowski views him as a piece or a player. Moving him to 1B devalues him as a piece.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 12, 2017 23:24:38 GMT -5
Where they play Chavis from here forward will show if Dombrowski views him as a piece or a player. Moving him to 1B devalues him as a piece. Speier's reported they'll introduce him to other positions in the offseason. I think that sounds about right. I'd be surprised if they started to play him anywhere else this season. He's not realistically an option in Boston this year, so there's no reason really to do that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 20:15:44 GMT -5
I think that since he is blocked by Devers at 3rd, he should take over at DH when Hanley Ramirez becomes a free agent.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Aug 17, 2017 5:57:02 GMT -5
It's looking more like there will be opportunities at 2nd base given Pedrioia's ongoing knee issues. Nunez is more of a utility player whose defensive limitations are exposed at 2nd base. Holt is just not that good to play regularly on a first division time. Try out Chavis at 2nd during instructional games and winter ball and see how he does. Same thing with OF. Somrone like him could be very valuable with positional versatility and power which the Red Sox lack.
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Post by patford on Aug 17, 2017 6:37:05 GMT -5
I think that since he is blocked by Devers at 3rd, he should take over at DH when Hanley Ramirez becomes a free agent. The Sox have positions of need and Chavis' value as a trade chip is greater if he can field a position. Ian suggested during the most recent podcast that the Sox should try Chavis at 2B. If Chavis can play 2B (and both Ian and Chris felt it was possible) he would not only possibly fill a need (Perdoia's injuries are a growing concern) but his greatest trade value would be at 2B.
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Post by huskies15 on Aug 17, 2017 18:06:23 GMT -5
Chavis seems a guarantee to play in the AFL right? That seems an ideal time to expose him to 2B and/or LF to me. Let him play the year out at 3B, then see if he can be a versatile player in the AFL
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Post by michael on Aug 17, 2017 23:07:57 GMT -5
Does Chavis-brentz-Travis remind anyone of a Jedi character? No more than Sam Travis Shaw. 4774
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 18, 2017 4:02:21 GMT -5
Chavis seems a guarantee to play in the AFL right? That seems an ideal time to expose him to 2B and/or LF to me. Let him play the year out at 3B, then see if he can be a versatile player in the AFL Yes and I'm sure they'll try him at a lot of positions in the AFL.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 18, 2017 9:19:21 GMT -5
Agree he's certain for the AFL. I disagree with the notion they'll try him at "a lot" of positions there though. They MIGHT have him work out at one new position after getting him reps and instruction at Instructs first, but they're not going to move a guy all around the field when the coaching staff there is a mishmash of coaches from different orgs, although I guess Fenster is the Red Sox coach going, so maybe they'll have him work with Chavis on that side of the ball. And again, big difference between Chavis and Dubon in the sense that the latter was perfectly fine at his primary position.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 18, 2017 14:23:49 GMT -5
Maybe just three positions? 3B, 2B, and LF?
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Post by patford on Aug 18, 2017 15:23:39 GMT -5
Chavis is in a position with the Red Sox where his greatest value as a trade chip is at 3B. It's the position for which he is best suited; his one plus defensive tool is his arm. I would wager Dombrowski is the sort of talent judge who does not take a long period of time to decide on a guys upside so it's going to be interesting to see if they move him off 3B. If they do, and particularly if they give him a lot of time at another position I would say that indicates Dombrowski thinks he can stick in MLB. If he was thought of as being almost ready rather than two years away I could see moving him to see if he could plug a hole at a position of need, but that isn't really the case.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 18, 2017 16:07:01 GMT -5
I don't think he's two years away. It's all about his D. Crockett the guy that knows more than just about anyone says he's D at third has got a lot better. So he's making the improvements that the numbers seemed to show.
If he's trade bait you just leave him at third and let him keep improving. The talk of moving him to another position sure seems to indicate they have future plans for him. I don't see how him learning a new position in AFL would increase his trade value. Chances are he is going to struggle for a while with it.
The thing I struggle with is do you move a guy that is just starting to make real progress? Or allow him to get at least decent at third first? He just hasn't had a ton of time playing third while healthy. I like the idea of him trying new positions in AFL. See how he adjusts and handles it. Not sure I want him playing a new position starting next year unless they have a clear plan to get him to majors.
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Post by huskies15 on Aug 18, 2017 23:20:18 GMT -5
The thing I struggle with is do you move a guy that is just starting to make real progress? Or allow him to get at least decent at third first? He just hasn't had a ton of time playing third while healthy. I like the idea of him trying new positions in AFL. See how he adjusts and handles it. Not sure I want him playing a new position starting next year unless they have a clear plan to get him to majors. This is how I feel. I want Chavis playing 3B the rest of this year, and probably at the beginning of next year. I just view the AFL as a good spot to see if 2B is a more natural feel for him. His best defensive attribute for 3B might be his arm, but that doesn't mean his reactions and hands might not play up better at 2B to make him as good if not better at 2B than 3B.
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Post by ramireja on Aug 24, 2017 13:08:05 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 24, 2017 13:12:50 GMT -5
Met Greg at the games and that's about what I saw as well. Note that Bowie definitely wasn't Chavis' best series though, at least at the plate.
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Post by Addam603 on Aug 24, 2017 13:12:58 GMT -5
Mini slump for Chavis: .235/.316/.353/.669 in his last 10 games with 12 Ks in 34 ABs (35%). And that's including his recent 4-4 game.
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Post by Ryanod1 on Aug 24, 2017 14:07:15 GMT -5
Should be interesting to see what position he settles in at. At least we dont have as big a problem as what the Dodgers (now Rangers) had in Willie Calhoun. He and Chavis are very similar in defensive mediocrity, but Calhoun is punching down the door to a Major League spot with his bat (again similar, but Calhoun has done it longer). Its actually creepy how similar their hitting stats are too on the surface. Chavis is valuable to us no matter what happens (finds position, trade etc...), and its nice to see him play so well this year.
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