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Post by ramireja on Apr 10, 2018 14:51:54 GMT -5
I was surprised to see Antonio Pinero ranked as the Best Defensive Infielder in Baseball America's most recent list of the best minor league tools. Wait, who is Antonio Pinero and why am I talking about him in this thread? Pinero was one of our 5 international signings from the 2015-2016 signing period whose contract was subsequently voided as punishment for trying to circumvent the individual signing cap. I honestly never really heard much about him (Guaimaro and Muzziotti generated more buzz among international scouts), so I was surprised to see that his defense is considered elite. All that said.....he posted a wRC+ of 25 for the Brewers' rookie ball club last year, so the bat might be too much of a liability for even the defense to carry to the majors.
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Post by natesp4 on Apr 10, 2018 20:39:24 GMT -5
Jeremy Hazelbaker traded to the Rays. He's done some mashing both in the majors and AAA the past few years (although last years 1.020 OPS with Arizona was probably assisted just a bit by his .533 BAbip). Would've liked to see him traded to the A's so his career can finally take off, but the Rays are probably the next best thing.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 10, 2018 21:06:45 GMT -5
Jeremy Hazelbaker traded to the Rays. He's done some mashing both in the majors and AAA the past few years (although last years 1.020 OPS with Arizona was probably assisted just a bit by his .533 BAbip). Would've liked to see him traded to the A's so his career can finally take off, but the Rays are probably the next best thing. FWIW, he was traded after being DFA.
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Post by Addam603 on Apr 16, 2018 17:05:00 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Apr 16, 2018 17:18:22 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 17, 2018 13:55:16 GMT -5
Bautista has put things together pretty quickly. I know this is something of a rush job because he's on the 40-man and they need an arm, but he's been outstanding since the Addison Reed deal. 11 srikouts and zero walks with Double-A Binghamton so far this year, in five innings. That's a 61.1% K rate.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 18:48:40 GMT -5
Ryan LaMarre walked off for the Twins yesterday. Or should I say early this morning.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 11:42:10 GMT -5
Mauricio Dubon with a 10 game hit streak in AAA for Milwaukee.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 21, 2018 12:22:56 GMT -5
Loved the guy! Played the game too hard
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Post by boydhurstlovechild on Apr 22, 2018 20:01:46 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 25, 2018 14:12:16 GMT -5
With that homer, Moncada is up to .250/.355/.538. A .893 OPS is pretty fantastic for a second baseman, especially one who doesn't turn 23 for another month.
He also is on pace to strike out 278 times, which is maybe too many.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 25, 2018 14:30:15 GMT -5
With that homer, Moncada is up to .250/.355/.538. A .893 OPS is pretty fantastic for a second baseman, especially one who doesn't turn 23 for another month. He also is on pace to strike out 278 times, which is maybe too many. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Somehow Aaron Judge has established that you can strike out 200 times and still hit for a reasonable average and have an insane OPS. It's getting to the point where you wonder how far that envelope can be pushed. Moncada, whether he strikes out a ton or not, is blossoming into a star player.
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Post by soxfando on Apr 26, 2018 0:46:39 GMT -5
With that homer, Moncada is up to .250/.355/.538. A .893 OPS is pretty fantastic for a second baseman, especially one who doesn't turn 23 for another month. He also is on pace to strike out 278 times, which is maybe too many. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ While Luis Alexander Basabe, the DD "throw in" for that trade, is OPSing 1.070 in high A ball.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 26, 2018 5:49:01 GMT -5
With that homer, Moncada is up to .250/.355/.538. A .893 OPS is pretty fantastic for a second baseman, especially one who doesn't turn 23 for another month. He also is on pace to strike out 278 times, which is maybe too many. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ While Luis Alexander Basabe, the DD "throw in" for that trade, is OPSing 1.070 in high A ball. He wasn't a throw in. The White Sox asked for Devers, but got Basabe instead. Which would you rather had kept? I think the answer is really easy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 6:38:34 GMT -5
With that homer, Moncada is up to .250/.355/.538. A .893 OPS is pretty fantastic for a second baseman, especially one who doesn't turn 23 for another month. He also is on pace to strike out 278 times, which is maybe too many. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ While Luis Alexander Basabe, the DD "throw in" for that trade, is OPSing 1.070 in high A ball. Wouldn't Victor Diaz be the throw in if anyone was? He was the only one who wasn't a top 10 prospect.
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Post by soxfando on Apr 26, 2018 20:13:32 GMT -5
While Luis Alexander Basabe, the DD "throw in" for that trade, is OPSing 1.070 in high A ball. He wasn't a throw in. The White Sox asked for Devers, but got Basabe instead. Which would you rather had kept? I think the answer is really easy. Keep both, and Moncada, and the other throw in Kopech, and pass on Sale? It's not likely the only SP option was Sale.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 26, 2018 20:17:03 GMT -5
He wasn't a throw in. The White Sox asked for Devers, but got Basabe instead. Which would you rather had kept? I think the answer is really easy. Keep both, and Moncada, and the other throw in Kopech, and pass on Sale? It's not likely the only SP option was Sale. There is no one like Sale. There is no other option like him and this team is in win now mode.
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Post by soxfando on Apr 26, 2018 20:37:10 GMT -5
Keep both, and Moncada, and the other throw in Kopech, and pass on Sale? It's not likely the only SP option was Sale. There is no one like Sale. There is no other option like him and this team is in win now mode. Moncada is literally helping the White Sox win right now by hitting another homerun.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 26, 2018 22:47:24 GMT -5
There is no one like Sale. There is no other option like him and this team is in win now mode. Moncada is literally helping the White Sox win right now by hitting another homerun. The point that he's making is that Sale helped the Sox win the division last season and is helping them this season and next season. Are the Sox better off with Pedroia and Sale or Moncada and mystery pitcher X who's likely nowhere near as good as Sale? Long-term the White Sox will probably "win" the trade, but timing wise the Sox need Sale to win a lot more than they'd need Moncada and I say this as a guy who probably wouldn't have made the trade, thinks the sky is the limit for Moncada and thinks Kopech could be a top of the rotation type pitcher as well.
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Post by soxfando on Apr 27, 2018 0:30:06 GMT -5
Moncada is literally helping the White Sox win right now by hitting another homerun. The point that he's making is that Sale helped the Sox win the division last season and is helping them this season and next season. Are the Sox better off with Pedroia and Sale or Moncada and mystery pitcher X who's likely nowhere near as good as Sale? Long-term the White Sox will probably "win" the trade, but timing wise the Sox need Sale to win a lot more than they'd need Moncada and I say this as a guy who probably wouldn't have made the trade, thinks the sky is the limit for Moncada and thinks Kopech could be a top of the rotation type pitcher as well. Moncada and Gerrit Cole or Justin Verlander probably makes them better off (with the added benefit of not having such a lefty heavy rotation with Johnson as a 5th or 6th starter), but the Pedroia either/or assumes Moncada is limited to second base, which probably isn't true. The "win now" notion that we can only win now with Sale, or Thornburg or whoever seems a bit of a stretch. E.g, the Beckett trade was justified because the Sox won the 2007 WS, but in 2007 Hanley batted .332 with an OPS of .948 and 212 hits -- he would have been the 2nd best hitter on the team behind Papi and ahead of Manny, and most likely could have contributed to a WS run. Maybe he helps them beat the Rays in 2008 too, when Beckett got shelled in game 2 and the Sox lost by 1 run. In 2013 Anibal Sanchez pitched to a 2.57 era for the Tigers and was generally lights out in the playoffs -- if the Sox hadn't won in 2013 could we have blamed the Beckett trade?
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Post by juanpena on Apr 27, 2018 1:40:06 GMT -5
The "win now" notion that we can only win now with Sale, or Thornburg or whoever seems a bit of a stretch. E.g, the Beckett trade was justified because the Sox won the 2007 WS, but in 2007 Hanley batted .332 with an OPS of .948 and 212 hits -- he would have been the 2nd best hitter on the team behind Papi and ahead of Manny, and most likely could have contributed to a WS run. Hanley was a 4.4-win player in 2007. Mike Lowell was a 5-win player, and was lights-out in all three rounds of the playoffs.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 27, 2018 9:27:03 GMT -5
The point that he's making is that Sale helped the Sox win the division last season and is helping them this season and next season. Are the Sox better off with Pedroia and Sale or Moncada and mystery pitcher X who's likely nowhere near as good as Sale? Long-term the White Sox will probably "win" the trade, but timing wise the Sox need Sale to win a lot more than they'd need Moncada and I say this as a guy who probably wouldn't have made the trade, thinks the sky is the limit for Moncada and thinks Kopech could be a top of the rotation type pitcher as well. Moncada and Gerrit Cole or Justin Verlander probably makes them better off (with the added benefit of not having such a lefty heavy rotation with Johnson as a 5th or 6th starter), but the Pedroia either/or assumes Moncada is limited to second base, which probably isn't true. The "win now" notion that we can only win now with Sale, or Thornburg or whoever seems a bit of a stretch. E.g, the Beckett trade was justified because the Sox won the 2007 WS, but in 2007 Hanley batted .332 with an OPS of .948 and 212 hits -- he would have been the 2nd best hitter on the team behind Papi and ahead of Manny, and most likely could have contributed to a WS run. Maybe he helps them beat the Rays in 2008 too, when Beckett got shelled in game 2 and the Sox lost by 1 run. In 2013 Anibal Sanchez pitched to a 2.57 era for the Tigers and was generally lights out in the playoffs -- if the Sox hadn't won in 2013 could we have blamed the Beckett trade? Really? They could have gotten Cole or Verlander? Ok, say they do - what do you think it would cost to get them? In Cole's case, there was no evidence he was available last August - he was not dealt. They wanted a 3b as it turned out (Colin Moran along with Musgraves were the key guys). Perhaps they would have demanded Devers. You can't say for sure they would have gotten Cole. As far as Verlander what prospects would he have cost? Then add his salary and realize that the guy who hit the GW HR last night - JD Martinez, wouldn't be a member of the Red Sox if the Sox had $28 million allocated to their payroll from Verlander - so the Sox would have no JD Martinez and would have lost prospects to acquire Verlander. The only way the Sox could have held onto Moncada and get another starter without giving up some major talent would have been to sign another free agent like they did when they signed Price. What free agent out there last year would have impacted them anywhere near as much as Sale did, considering the Sox finished only 2 ahead of the Yankees and only Kluber was a better starter than Sale?
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Post by Coreno on Apr 27, 2018 18:45:22 GMT -5
Where exactly would Moncada be playing on this team?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 11:02:12 GMT -5
Where exactly would Moncada be playing on this team? 3rd base probably, but Devers is a good enough substitute to allow Sale to be on the team, so I still think it was a good trade.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 28, 2018 11:26:48 GMT -5
Actually, probably second base and they don't re-sign Nunez.
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