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Post by iakovos11 on Apr 24, 2017 10:03:03 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 24, 2017 10:34:31 GMT -5
Because of rainouts, the last time all four affiliates played was last Tuesday. Best we can do today is the first time there hasn't been a rainout since that day I guess.
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Post by michael on Apr 24, 2017 14:27:15 GMT -5
Sometimes you win
Sometimes you lose
Today you aren't playing
Gaelic poem.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 24, 2017 18:53:07 GMT -5
Getting Rutledge some AA Abs in case he's needed quick as opposed to just needed.
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 24, 2017 19:47:46 GMT -5
Sometimes you win Sometimes you lose Today you aren't playing Gaelic poem. Ri Ra |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 24, 2017 22:24:28 GMT -5
Getting Rutledge some AA Abs in case he's needed quick as opposed to just needed. There's rain in the forecast in the northeast, so it makes some sense to get him games whenever you know you can, even if it leads to weird things like, perhaps, his getting transferred to Portland for a single game, if that's how they wind up playing it. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 24, 2017 22:34:11 GMT -5
Getting Rutledge some AA Abs in case he's needed quick as opposed to just needed. There's rain in the forecast in the northeast, so it makes some sense to get him games whenever you know you can, even if it leads to weird things like, perhaps, his getting transferred to Portland for a single game, if that's how they wind up playing it. That's pretty much how I figured it. I'm not sure when he 'has' to be upped to Boston or returned. On the other hand, Panda was injured last night so it might happen before that date. ADD: Panda's injury looked pretty horrific to me, I'd recommend a 30 day DL. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 25, 2017 9:40:35 GMT -5
It's a 20-day rehab, so not until May 7 or so.
Given the presence of Hernandez, I'm not sure they need to rush him.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 25, 2017 9:58:56 GMT -5
It's a 20-day rehab, so not until May 7 or so. Given the presence of Hernandez, I'm not sure they need to rush him. That kind of sucks for Rutledge though, right? He signs with Colorado specifically because the path to playing time is there, Boston takes him in the Rule 5 and just stashes him on minor league rehab because they don't need him. Not that it's one of the world's great injustices or anything, but sometimes at the margins it'd be nice to see them do right by the player. I felt the same way about the Buchholz situation. Why pick up a guy's extension just to salary dump him? If you don't have a use for a player, do right by the player and let him pick his situation, like the Cubs did with Hammel. And don't give me Josh Tobias - if the Phillies were willing to give him up in a salary dump they'd have given him up for a PTBNL or cash or a fringy guy who their scouts liked. |
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Post by bigpupp on Apr 25, 2017 11:08:41 GMT -5
Rutledge gets to collect a major league salary while on his rehab assignment. I doubt he minds very much.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 25, 2017 11:10:06 GMT -5
He wasn't stashed on rehab. He was actually injured and actually rehabbing, is my understanding. At any rate, Sandoval was just placed on the DL with Rutledge activated which I think is enough to kind of debunk that.
I disagree on the Buchholz thing as well. Picking up an option isn't saying you want the player. It's saying that you think the player is worth that or more. You can then do whatever you want with him. This isn't the Bronson Arroyo situation where they signed him to a below-market extension only to immediately flip him - that one kinda sucked. If you sign a multi-year contract without a no-trade clause, it's implied that the team may want to trade you at some point during the contract, including for an option year.
Is it different if they trade him during the World Series and the Phillies pick up the option?
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 25, 2017 11:39:27 GMT -5
He wasn't stashed on rehab. He was actually injured and actually rehabbing, is my understanding. At any rate, Sandoval was just placed on the DL with Rutledge activated which I think is enough to kind of debunk that. He was actually injured, sure. But it seems likely the Red Sox would've kept him on his rehab assignment for as long as they could, too. Either way, now that Sandoval is hurt it's a non-issue. A part of me thinks that if a player has reached MLFA status and has signed with a team, they should be able to decline R5 selection in that offseason. Like, if the Red Sox offered a MLB contract and the Rockies offered a minor league one, and he chose the Rockies, that's sort of lame to take him in the R5 draft, right? On the list of problems with the R5 draft that's pretty far below Darwinzon Hernandez being eligible before he turns 21. But in my binder full of ideas to make baseball better that's somewhere in the hundreds. Yeah, it's not as obviously crummy as the Arroyo situation was. And maybe the Sale trade really did change the calculus of whether Buchholz was worth the money to them. If it's the Phillies intention to keep him, then yes. I'd also feel differently if the Red Sox had picked up the option and then traded him for a better prospect or a more useful piece or whatever. It's the option pickup to salary dump thing that I have a problem with. And even saying I have a problem with it is even going a little too far, it just sort of irked me. |
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 25, 2017 14:39:52 GMT -5
It's a 20-day rehab, so not until May 7 or so. Given the presence of Hernandez, I'm not sure they need to rush him. That kind of sucks for Rutledge though, right? He signs with Colorado specifically because the path to playing time is there, Boston takes him in the Rule 5 and just stashes him on minor league rehab because they don't need him. Not that it's one of the world's great injustices or anything, but sometimes at the margins it'd be nice to see them do right by the player. I felt the same way about the Buchholz situation. Why pick up a guy's extension just to salary dump him? If you don't have a use for a player, do right by the player and let him pick his situation, like the Cubs did with Hammel. And don't give me Josh Tobias - if the Phillies were willing to give him up in a salary dump they'd have given him up for a PTBNL or cash or a fringy guy who their scouts liked. Tell that to the Orioles who claim a Red Sox player almost every year in the Rule 5 and they get maybe 5 innings or 10 at bats before becoming "injured" all season. |
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 25, 2017 14:45:52 GMT -5
The Orioles messing up Jason Garcia's chance of developing is another pretty good example of the Rule 5 draft being bad.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 25, 2017 14:52:02 GMT -5
James, no MLFA is going to object to being taken in Rule 5. Not one. Even if they're being "stashed" on rehab, it's either a 20 or 30 day rehab during which you're making the MLB salary in your contract as opposed to the milb one.
But 100 percent in agreement that the current rules screw IFAs horribly and that there needs to be more time on the active roster than the current 90 days. Make it 120 in the latter instance. And rather than the current system that turns on whether the player was 18 and under or 19 and older when signing, make it 3 groups: 16/17, 18/19, 20 and up.
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