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Post by texs31 on Jul 13, 2017 8:04:20 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 13, 2017 17:38:21 GMT -5
The thing with Kopech's control is that it's sort of come and gone. It hasn't been good ever, but if you look month-by-month: April: 7.00 BB/9 May: 4.37 BB/9 June: 7.36 BB/9 I tweeted at some point last year a prediction that he'll lead the league in saves in 2020 or 2021 or something. I feel kind of vindicated by his performance this year - he's always been a future closer for me, and I think he'll be a good one. I just don't see the control to start, and think he'd be better off focusing on airing it out an inning at a time. This is why it drove me nuts when everyone was freaking out about his velocity last year and in the AFL (I'm not referring to this forum - I mean just generally). Throwing the ball harder doesn't mean you get a bigger strike zone. 5 G, 16 IP, 21 SO, 1 BB, 0 HB. His first 5 games in the AFL last year. Strike% to match.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 13, 2017 18:50:32 GMT -5
Ever this season. Sorry for being unclear.
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Post by soxfan2015 on Jul 13, 2017 19:43:07 GMT -5
where are the Yankees prospects ranked? Curious where Torres is
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Post by texs31 on Jul 13, 2017 19:49:56 GMT -5
Just Torres at 2.
BTW Kopech at 7 and Moncada at 13 (always been lower than others on Yoan)
Amed Rosario is his #1
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Post by vinscully on Jul 13, 2017 20:04:04 GMT -5
I guess I get why people continue to list the ranking of traded sox prospects but it still drives me nuts. I follow some of them too but when do people finally move on? Next year? The year one of them wins a Cy or MVP? You seriously can't get away from the DDom commentary.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 13, 2017 20:16:19 GMT -5
Fair.
Listed Moncada bc Law is an outlier on him. Figured people would ask on Kopech so I saved myself the time (until this post).
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 13, 2017 21:59:19 GMT -5
I always list ex-Sox and I hope they all (except Denny) do great and have HoF careers. The trades have absolutely nothing to do with that.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 14, 2017 9:02:48 GMT -5
I guess I get why people continue to list the ranking of traded sox prospects but it still drives me nuts. I follow some of them too but when do people finally move on? Next year? The year one of them wins a Cy or MVP? You seriously can't get away from the DDom commentary. It has nothing to do with moving on or not. It has to do with the fact that these were players that were in the system that people here followed and were interested in. If you're reading some kind of "so that means Dombrowski shouldn't have traded them!!!!" subtext into the listing of former players in the system, you shouldn't. It's something that happened on this board before Dombrowski, and it will happen after. Used to happen with Hanley and Anibal Sanchez. They just didn't trade many top prospects in the Epsterington regime, so there weren't many guys.
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Post by vinscully on Jul 15, 2017 20:15:53 GMT -5
I guess I get why people continue to list the ranking of traded sox prospects but it still drives me nuts. I follow some of them too but when do people finally move on? Next year? The year one of them wins a Cy or MVP? You seriously can't get away from the DDom commentary. It has nothing to do with moving on or not. It has to do with the fact that these were players that were in the system that people here followed and were interested in. If you're reading some kind of "so that means Dombrowski shouldn't have traded them!!!!" subtext into the listing of former players in the system, you shouldn't. It's something that happened on this board before Dombrowski, and it will happen after. Used to happen with Hanley and Anibal Sanchez. They just didn't trade many top prospects in the Epsterington regime, so there weren't many guys. Perhaps thats true for some but I'll respectfully disagree for many. I'm not reading some kind of "so that means Dombrowski shouldn't have traded them!!!!" subtext. I believe that many are still ticked off/annoyed so many were traded, hence the listings. This is a different landscape than we've had in a decade in a half as you referenced.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 16, 2017 3:30:24 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with moving on or not. It has to do with the fact that these were players that were in the system that people here followed and were interested in. If you're reading some kind of "so that means Dombrowski shouldn't have traded them!!!!" subtext into the listing of former players in the system, you shouldn't. It's something that happened on this board before Dombrowski, and it will happen after. Used to happen with Hanley and Anibal Sanchez. They just didn't trade many top prospects in the Epsterington regime, so there weren't many guys. Perhaps thats true for some but I'll respectfully disagree for many. I'm not reading some kind of "so that means Dombrowski shouldn't have traded them!!!!" subtext. I believe that many are still ticked off/annoyed so many were traded, hence the listings. This is a different landscape than we've had in a decade in a half as you referenced. Just more trolls....
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Post by natesp4 on Jul 16, 2017 9:21:17 GMT -5
Personally, I like to see where the traded prospects are ranked. I essentially follow this site as 1/2 Red Sox fan and 1/2 a fan of prospects. I'm rooting for all of these guys. I would love to see Margot become an all-star 5 tool player or watch Espinoza develop into the best pitcher in the league. Once the trade is done, I really don't care what implications their development has on the hindsight quality of the trade.
vinscully is definitely correct that some people are only following the ex-prospects to feed their "I hate Dombrowski" manifest, but I think I can speak for a lot of posters and followers of the site in saying that we just want to continue to follow and root for the players that we spent so much time learning about.
I've actually become an accidental Padres fan just because so many prospects have been sent there. If a Frazier deal goes through then it looks like Dombrowski will have given me a 3rd team to root for.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 16, 2017 15:19:04 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with moving on or not. It has to do with the fact that these were players that were in the system that people here followed and were interested in. If you're reading some kind of "so that means Dombrowski shouldn't have traded them!!!!" subtext into the listing of former players in the system, you shouldn't. It's something that happened on this board before Dombrowski, and it will happen after. Used to happen with Hanley and Anibal Sanchez. They just didn't trade many top prospects in the Epsterington regime, so there weren't many guys. Perhaps thats true for some but I'll respectfully disagree for many. I'm not reading some kind of "so that means Dombrowski shouldn't have traded them!!!!" subtext. I believe that many are still ticked off/annoyed so many were traded, hence the listings. This is a different landscape than we've had in a decade in a half as you referenced. If you want to ignore the decade-plus of context on this forum I just tried to give you, that's your prerogative, but again, it's a practice that's gone on here since the site started.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 18, 2017 11:37:08 GMT -5
BA starting their midseason top 10's. Looking at the White Sox's list is fascinating. Seven of the top 10 were acquired by trades in the last eight months, and of the other three, one's an IFA signed a month and a half ago and one's their first rounder from a month ago. In other words, their top 9 prospects were acquired within the last 8 months. www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017-chicago-white-sox-midseason-top-10-prospects/#X95iagowCtsAyqXh.97(The preceding post is not a comment on the Red Sox President of Baseball Operations or any transactions involving the Boston Red Sox. My name is Chris Hatfield and I approve this message.)
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Post by Guidas on Jul 24, 2017 22:15:07 GMT -5
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 24, 2017 22:24:37 GMT -5
Top 10 list by position is a little kinder to us, but not by much. Devers is the #1 3B and Chavis actually comes in at #8. If I had to guess, I'd say he just missed the cut for top 100. Flores is the #10 catcher, at 16 years old. Groome is the #4 lefty.
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 24, 2017 22:27:56 GMT -5
Any reason why MLB Pipeline isn't high on Mata? They've got Groome, Houck, Scherff, Shawaryn, Raudes, Lakins, and Johnson ahead of him. I know he's young and far, far away from the bigs, but he deserves some love.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2017 1:54:29 GMT -5
Any reason why MLB Pipeline isn't high on Mata? They've got Groome, Houck, Scherff, Shawaryn, Raudes, Lakins, and Johnson ahead of him. I know he's young and far, far away from the bigs, but he deserves some love. MLB pipeline is late to the party when it comes to everything related to prospects.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 25, 2017 9:20:19 GMT -5
Baseball America has posted updated Top 10s for the AL East but there is 1 team missing. I'll give you 1 guess. Ahhhhhhh.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 25, 2017 12:01:37 GMT -5
Some interesting points of discussion from the MLB Pipeline Top 30: - Chavis (#3) > Travis (#4) - They are relatively high on Scherff (#7), Shawaryn (#8), Raudes (#13), Nogosek (#19), Cedrola (#22), and Chad De La Guerra (#28) - They are relatively low on Mata (#16) and Beeks (#20) - Gerson Bautista and Jake Cosart round out their top 30 but I'm generally lower on these guys too.....you can only experience so many Simon Mercedes and company before losing hope on the upper 90s arms without control/command.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 25, 2017 12:04:26 GMT -5
Baseball America has posted updated Top 10s for the AL East but there is 1 team missing. I'll give you 1 guess. Ahhhhhhh. Its up now. 1. Devers 2. Groome 3. Chavis 4. Travis 5. Mata 6. Houck 7. Brannen 8. Ockimey 9. Shawaryn 10. Scherff
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Post by Guidas on Jul 25, 2017 12:06:48 GMT -5
Some interesting points of discussion from the MLB Pipeline Top 30: - Chavis (#3) > Travis (#4) - They are relatively high on Scherff (#7), Shawaryn (#8), Raudes (#13), Nogosek (#19), Cedrola (#22), and Chad De La Guerra (#28) - They are relatively low on Mata (#16) and Beeks (#20) - Gerson Bautista and Jake Cosart round out their top 30 but I'm generally lower on these guys too.....you can only experience so many Simon Mercedes and company before losing hope on the upper 90s arms without control/command. With a low rated farm system overall these numbers are all relative and only comparative within the system. That said, Chavis is much younger than Travis and projects to have a bit more power. I think the hit against Travis is most scouts don't see him having much more than 15-20 HR power at his peak.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 25, 2017 15:07:24 GMT -5
I'm very surprised Flores didn't make BA's list. Particularly since Badler did the write up.
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Post by texs31 on Jul 25, 2017 15:41:50 GMT -5
None of the 2017 International class were included in their team's top 10s.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 25, 2017 16:58:28 GMT -5
Jim Callis put Chavis in his top 105.
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