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7/24-7/26 Red Sox @ Mariners Series Thread
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jul 26, 2017 19:25:30 GMT -5
It'll be depressing if they send Devers down after this game. How many hard hit balls does he need to hit to prove he belongs? On what planet is Deven Marerro more useful on the roster than Rafael Devers? I don't know what the "we haven't decided on the other move" talk was about, but it presumably only covered the scenario where Devers looked overmatched, like Moncada last year. Has he looked overmatched? If the space aliens would only be so kind as to return the actual Xander Bogaerts, I think this offense will be fine. (Especially because I'm beginning to think DDo will trade for Bour.) Marrero is a valuable defensive replacement though. In SSS Nunez has been adequate to quite good defensively (depending on DRS or UZR) which would make him a better hitter and fielder than Young at this point. Young serves no purpose aside from a 2nd RHH off the bench.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 26, 2017 19:29:26 GMT -5
Reporting from SEA, last two games were obvious disappointments. Was thrilled to catch a great Sale start today and Devers' first professional hit/HR! Made up for it a little. Here's to hoping for a little offensive spark moving forward. Keep the faith fellas.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 26, 2017 21:16:06 GMT -5
Largely satisfying victory - Sale and Devers wonderful...and took the focus off of two persisting problems - the continuing offensive black holes (Xander and Moreland), and wasted baserunners (should have had far more than 4 runs in this game).
Certainly an important win - hopefully something to build on.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 26, 2017 21:30:02 GMT -5
Devers was a breath of fresh air. Ten plate appearances are a very small sample size but this guy is having major league ABs. Excellent power. Takes his walks. Can hit to all fields.
I just hope they do snuff out this refreshing development by sending him to Pawtucket or benching him in favor of Nunez, as I suspect they will.
And Chris Sale was Chris Sale. He's been just about the only exciting thing to watch with this team - his mastery.
And Kimbrel was Kimbrel. He's the big reason why the Sox have been good in 1 run games and extra innings. It's certainly not the offense. If they're down a run, they'll most likely lose, but if they're up a run, Kimbrel does a really good job of protecting that lead. With another closer they'd have lost some of those games.
So the Red Sox get to keep their lead for another couple of days.
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Post by supersquid on Jul 26, 2017 22:03:25 GMT -5
Moncada answering Devers with a bomb of his own to center field tonight.
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Post by bigpupp on Jul 26, 2017 22:06:53 GMT -5
Happy for him. Also happy that Devers didn't have to strike out 19 times before he got his first.
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Post by mandelbro on Jul 27, 2017 9:47:05 GMT -5
Moncada answering Devers with a bomb of his own to center field tonight. Margot hit a HR yesterday as well. He's battled through some injuries and a big slump this year but his future looks bright. Lots of Sox farmhands making noise right now.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 27, 2017 12:01:14 GMT -5
Happy for him. Also happy that the team waited until he was ready to call up Devers didn't have to strike out 19 times before he got his first. FTFY
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Post by Guidas on Jul 27, 2017 13:23:17 GMT -5
Moncada answering Devers with a bomb of his own to center field tonight. Margot hit a HR yesterday as well. He's battled through some injuries and a big slump this year but his future looks bright. Lots of FORMER Sox farmhands making noise right now. Keith Law tweeted today that Kopech was the #1 pitching prospect in all of baseball.
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Post by mandelbro on Jul 27, 2017 13:44:12 GMT -5
Margot hit a HR yesterday as well. He's battled through some injuries and a big slump this year but his future looks bright. Lots of FORMER Sox farmhands making noise right now. Keith Law tweeted today that Kopech was the #1 pitching prospect in all of baseball. Yeah, I've long resigned myself to the fact that there will be many "what ifs".
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 27, 2017 13:46:43 GMT -5
Margot hit a HR yesterday as well. He's battled through some injuries and a big slump this year but his future looks bright. Lots of FORMER Sox farmhands making noise right now. Keith Law tweeted today that Kopech was the #1 pitching prospect in all of baseball. That hurts, but at least we got the #1 pitcher in the AL for him. Probably the best pitcher in the game right now, apologies to Kershaw.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 27, 2017 15:09:11 GMT -5
I mean, that's not just Keith Law - MLB Pipeline agrees with him that Kopech's the top pitching prospect in the game. But using the MLB Pipeline list, the top prospects in the game right now are very hitter-heavy--there are just 4 pitchers in the MLB.com top 20 right now: Kopech at 12, Buehler at 13, Honeywell at 14, Reyes at 17. Baseball America has Kopech as the fifth pitcher and five P's in the top 20 (Reyes 12, Honeywell 14, Keller 15, Buehler 17, Kopech 20). He's certainly among the game's top arms... but he also was when he was traded. Those 4 or 5 are the top tier, it seems, followed by another tier with the likes of Greene, Gore, Puk, Allard, McKenzie, and others.
I note that Kopech is on a sick three-game stretch (25 K, 4 BB in 20 IP). But before that, his control was a pretty enormous issue (53 BB in his first 78.1 for a 6.09 BB/9 mark). Even though he's still in Double-A, there's still a very good chance he's a closer rather than a starter, imo. But many of those pitchers have questions: Reyes is coming off TJ, Buehler has still never thrown 80 pitches in a game, etc.
Saw it put best on Twitter at some point in the past week - the Sale deal is working the way a trade is supposed to, helping both teams.
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Post by mandelbro on Jul 27, 2017 17:20:37 GMT -5
I mean, that's not just Keith Law - MLB Pipeline agrees with him that Kopech's the top pitching prospect in the game. But using the MLB Pipeline list, the top prospects in the game right now are very hitter-heavy--there are just 4 pitchers in the MLB.com top 20 right now: Kopech at 12, Buehler at 13, Honeywell at 14, Reyes at 17. Baseball America has Kopech as the fifth pitcher and five P's in the top 20 (Reyes 12, Honeywell 14, Keller 15, Buehler 17, Kopech 20). He's certainly among the game's top arms... but he also was when he was traded. Those 4 or 5 are the top tier, it seems, followed by another tier with the likes of Greene, Gore, Puk, Allard, McKenzie, and others. I note that Kopech is on a sick three-game stretch (25 K, 4 BB in 20 IP). But before that, his control was a pretty enormous issue (53 BB in his first 78.1 for a 6.09 BB/9 mark). Even though he's still in Double-A, there's still a very good chance he's a closer rather than a starter, imo. But many of those pitchers have questions: Reyes is coming off TJ, Buehler has still never thrown 80 pitches in a game, etc. Saw it put best on Twitter at some point in the past week - the Sale deal is working the way a trade is supposed to, helping both teams. Question - to what extent is that because the hitting prospects are superior, and to what extent is that a reflection of consensus valuing pitchers less than it used to?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 27, 2017 17:34:19 GMT -5
I mean, that's not just Keith Law - MLB Pipeline agrees with him that Kopech's the top pitching prospect in the game. But using the MLB Pipeline list, the top prospects in the game right now are very hitter-heavy--there are just 4 pitchers in the MLB.com top 20 right now: Kopech at 12, Buehler at 13, Honeywell at 14, Reyes at 17. Baseball America has Kopech as the fifth pitcher and five P's in the top 20 (Reyes 12, Honeywell 14, Keller 15, Buehler 17, Kopech 20). He's certainly among the game's top arms... but he also was when he was traded. Those 4 or 5 are the top tier, it seems, followed by another tier with the likes of Greene, Gore, Puk, Allard, McKenzie, and others. I note that Kopech is on a sick three-game stretch (25 K, 4 BB in 20 IP). But before that, his control was a pretty enormous issue (53 BB in his first 78.1 for a 6.09 BB/9 mark). Even though he's still in Double-A, there's still a very good chance he's a closer rather than a starter, imo. But many of those pitchers have questions: Reyes is coming off TJ, Buehler has still never thrown 80 pitches in a game, etc. Saw it put best on Twitter at some point in the past week - the Sale deal is working the way a trade is supposed to, helping both teams. Question - to what extent is that because the hitting prospects are superior, and to what extent is that a reflection of consensus valuing pitchers less than it used to? I'd say the former. Consider that the midseason BA list last year had pitchers at 2 (Reyes), 4 (Giolito), & 6 (Glasnow). Now, it's perhaps a bit harder to be more highly regarded as a pitcher, so there's something to that, but I think it's meaningful that no list I've seen has a pitcher among the top 11 prospects right now.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 27, 2017 20:15:42 GMT -5
Not trying to wake deepjohn here, but isn't it a sad time for pitching prospects if the best of the kind is walking over 5 dudes per 9 in AA?
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 27, 2017 20:40:48 GMT -5
Not trying to wake deepjohn here, but isn't it a sad time for pitching prospects if the best of the kind is walking over 5 dudes per 9 in AA? Short answer, yes. Long answer: I think it's just one of those weird gaps. Reyes got hurt, Urias graduated at 19, Greene hasn't made his pro debut yet... I'm sure there's someone else who should be jumping out at me, stuff-wise. Like, is Walker Buehler, better? I'm inclined to say yes, but frankly I just don't know. Like Chris said, there are no pitchers in the top 10 right now. Also, Kopech is interesting because his flaw is so obvious. It's hard to get better by improving a little bit at a lot of things, but someone who needs to fix one obvious problem is so tantalizing. It's the Randy Johnson thing, basically. Nobody looks better when he's on his game than Kopech does. Anyway, Chris Sale is better than Mark Langston (who was really, really good).
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 27, 2017 23:08:22 GMT -5
Watching Sale, the overriding impression is of overwhelming dominance, how often these major league hitters look totally over-matched. Many flail at pitches that come shooting in at their feet, strikeout because they can't holdup on pitches they can't reach, and watch third strikes sail by, bats frozen in place. I'm sure he brings on a lot of bad dreams.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 28, 2017 1:22:30 GMT -5
I'm sure he brings on a lot of bad dreams. Or to rephrase this sentence, "nightmares."
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