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Post by telson13 on Aug 23, 2017 23:11:35 GMT -5
Just out of general curiosity, given JBJ's potential FA. What do people think it would take to acquire Buxton? Would you want to? Personally, I think he's going to be a terrific player, given his Ted Williams "1000 MLB PA." I think his contact rates are going to improve, and he's an absolutely fantastic CFer who has essentially 80-grade speed. I think the hit tool improves and he starts hitting for power in a year or two. I'm not sure he's really quite a "buy low," because he's playing better these days, but he might come cheaper than he would have before his struggles. Of course, wishing on young, cost-controlled defensive whizzes who won't have big arb numbers is what the Twins do. But an offseason offer based on that?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 24, 2017 4:28:53 GMT -5
I don't think the Twins want to really deal Buxton and have zero motivation to do so. They need more players like Buxton if they want to build something stable for success up there in Minnesota.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 7:18:00 GMT -5
What's wrong with JBJ, just a minor injury and the sox acquired Davis for the rest of the season. No reason to do this.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 24, 2017 7:20:59 GMT -5
Even if the Twins did decide they were willing to deal him, what could the Red Sox offer them? Groome, Chavis, Mata, and Travis wouldn't get it done.
It's going to be near-impossible to pick up a good player on a team-friendly or pre-arb contract this offseason. The Red Sox don't have a Top-50 prospect and they have, at most, two top-100 guys.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Aug 24, 2017 10:37:12 GMT -5
I think Buxton is going to be a star (and he's been raking for a couple months, .324/.369/.532 since July 1) but the JBJ potential free agency thing confuses me...isn't JBJ controlled through 2020 while Buxton is controlled for only one additional season beyond that?
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Post by m1keyboots on Aug 24, 2017 11:33:43 GMT -5
I think Buxton is going to be a star (and he's been raking for a couple months, .324/.369/.532 since July 1) but the JBJ potential free agency thing confuses me...isn't JBJ controlled through 2020 while Buxton is controlled for only one additional season beyond that? Jackie is approaching the big numbers in arbitration, although his offense is hurting his value. An admitted JBJ fan I hope the Sox extend and pay through of some of those years. Jackie defense and occasional power and bat I think make him a starter. Buxton is/was like the Redsox Devers. What could we possibly give them?
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Post by telson13 on Aug 24, 2017 11:34:53 GMT -5
Even if the Twins did decide they were willing to deal him, what could the Red Sox offer them? Groome, Chavis, Mata, and Travis wouldn't get it done. It's going to be near-impossible to pick up a good player on a team-friendly or pre-arb contract this offseason. The Red Sox don't have a Top-50 prospect and they have, at most, two top-100 guys. That's my concern. I suppose Buxton's passed his buy low phase; I'm probably looking too far down the road, too. I think Buxton could've been acquired relatively (emphasis on relatively) cheaply a few months back, but then again, where would they have played him? It's more that every year there are a few former top prospect "craters" or underwhelming early-career starts (JBJ being one), and I'm just curious as to what people think the ask would be. I was hoping the Sox would pick up Paxton a couple years ago (and, in fairness, Walker). With the upcoming salary crunch, I'd like to see them try a targeted youth move somewhere. There's nothing wrong at all with JBJ.
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Post by telson13 on Aug 24, 2017 11:40:16 GMT -5
I think Buxton is going to be a star (and he's been raking for a couple months, .324/.369/.532 since July 1) but the JBJ potential free agency thing confuses me...isn't JBJ controlled through 2020 while Buxton is controlled for only one additional season beyond that? Jackie is approaching the big numbers in arbitration, although his offense is hurting his value. An admitted JBJ fan I hope the Sox extend and pay through of some of those years. Jackie defense and occasional power and bat I think make him a starter. Buxton is/was like the Redsox Devers. What could we possibly give them? Arb only considers BA, RBI, SB, etc. Old school. So his numbers shouldn't be too bad. Buxton was a better prospect than Devers in the minors, but he's got two years plus (800 PA in all) of struggles. He's now gotten hot (making a lot better contact), so yeah, I doubt they're inclined at all to trade him. That ship's probably sailed. Maybe a better question for me to ask would've been: who's a BUY LOW former top prospect that you think could be a steal? What might it take to get him?
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Post by ramireja on Aug 24, 2017 11:45:27 GMT -5
The thing is that any reasonable GM isn't going to look to trade a player like Buxton when his value is at his lowest (like after Buxton's start to the season with his outrageous K-rate). As a fan, sure, it seems like a great time to try and steal Buxton, but if that organization has any confidence in Buxton's abilities, they would be foolish to deal him at that point. It would be comparable to dealing Swihart now which I would imagine would yield very little. Our own internal evaluators have more info than anyone else, and if there is any belief that Swihart can return to the player he was before, then it would make far more sense to hold him.
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Post by m1keyboots on Aug 25, 2017 11:44:19 GMT -5
Jackie is approaching the big numbers in arbitration, although his offense is hurting his value. An admitted JBJ fan I hope the Sox extend and pay through of some of those years. Jackie defense and occasional power and bat I think make him a starter. Buxton is/was like the Redsox Devers. What could we possibly give them? Arb only considers BA, RBI, SB, etc. Old school. So his numbers shouldn't be too bad. Buxton was a better prospect than Devers in the minors, but he's got two years plus (800 PA in all) of struggles. He's now gotten hot (making a lot better contact), so yeah, I doubt they're inclined at all to trade him. That ship's probably sailed. Maybe a better question for me to ask would've been: who's a BUY LOW former top prospect that you think could be a steal? What might it take to get him? Well, it's a great and tough question. Obviously the twins have given Buxton many chances and they did the same with Aaron Hicks in Minnesota. To answer your question, names like Tim Anderson once a top prospect and now maybe losing a little favor, Matt Chapman a top prospect who plays Elite defense and hasn't gotten to the "former top prospects level" yet. But he plays for oakland, and as we all know, you only need a couple good Lefties to get a good prospect out of Oakland. Profar is out of the question. Maybe Guasman? MAYBE Travis Shaw to play first! In jest
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 25, 2017 11:58:03 GMT -5
Imagine being the Twins who once gave up David Ortiz for nothing and then recently gave up Aaron Hicks for nothing. I imagine they're going to hold Buxton until the very end.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 25, 2017 12:07:59 GMT -5
Imagine being the Twins who once gave up David Ortiz for nothing and then recently gave up Aaron Hicks for nothing. I imagine they're going to hold Buxton until the very end. The Hicks example stings less I'm sure. He'll probably turn into a pumpkin again next year with the bat.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 25, 2017 12:32:05 GMT -5
Since 7/1 Buxton is hitting .322/.365/.548. With his defense, that's like 6-7 WAR type production. He's not going anywhere.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 25, 2017 12:33:20 GMT -5
Imagine being the Twins who once gave up David Ortiz for nothing and then recently gave up Aaron Hicks for nothing. I imagine they're going to hold Buxton until the very end. The Hicks example stings less I'm sure. He'll probably turn into a pumpkin again next year with the bat. He won't be like he was to start this year, but he's definitely a good player even if he regresses quite a bit.
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Post by telson13 on Aug 31, 2017 23:00:23 GMT -5
Arb only considers BA, RBI, SB, etc. Old school. So his numbers shouldn't be too bad. Buxton was a better prospect than Devers in the minors, but he's got two years plus (800 PA in all) of struggles. He's now gotten hot (making a lot better contact), so yeah, I doubt they're inclined at all to trade him. That ship's probably sailed. Maybe a better question for me to ask would've been: who's a BUY LOW former top prospect that you think could be a steal? What might it take to get him? Well, it's a great and tough question. Obviously the twins have given Buxton many chances and they did the same with Aaron Hicks in Minnesota. To answer your question, names like Tim Anderson once a top prospect and now maybe losing a little favor, Matt Chapman a top prospect who plays Elite defense and hasn't gotten to the "former top prospects level" yet. But he plays for oakland, and as we all know, you only need a couple good Lefties to get a good prospect out of Oakland. Profar is out of the question. Maybe Guasman? MAYBE Travis Shaw to play first! In jest Wow...Profar...I'd basically forgotten about him. He went off a cliff. Still only 24 or 25? If the Sox didn't have Devers, I'd be all over Chapman. His defense is fantastic, and I think he'd be a .260/.320/.470 or so guy in Fenway. Baltimore got a good deal with Beckham. He's probably never going to be a "great" player, but I could see him putting up 3-3.5 WAR for a few seasons. I think there's a lot of value to be had in getting guys with 400-700 PA or 100-200 innings who've struggled after coming up at 21 or 22. Even if they never become stars, often they're average or even better regulars for a few years before they run out their initial team control. Jon Gray has had some real success (last year) and some injuries this year. He's a guy I'd keep an eye on, although I think CO is still quite high on him. And I still believe that Taijuan Walker has a next level to reach, although his control years clock is getting low. I've never liked Anderson because his plate discipline's been terrible, even in the minors. Profar is an interesting question. Seems to have some entitlement issues, and the shoulder injury. But the talent is there.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 1, 2017 4:59:27 GMT -5
I think the Sox are more likely to be looking at first base than anywhere else.
Ask yourself this, would you rather have Goldschmidt/Nunez or Moreland/Xander. I don't think either will be the final team composition but trying to put it into a black box.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 1, 2017 11:31:11 GMT -5
I think the Sox are more likely to be looking at first base than anywhere else. Ask yourself this, would you rather have Goldschmidt/Nunez or Moreland/Xander. I don't think either will be the final team composition but trying to put it into a black box. Of course I'd rather have Goldschmidt than Bogaerts straight up. But I'd rather keep Rafael Devers and Benintendi along with Bogaerts.
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