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9/4-9/6 Red Sox vs. Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 7, 2017 14:35:26 GMT -5
Read the post please. There are multiple hurricanes in play. The one I responded to was for Jose.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 7, 2017 14:44:21 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 7, 2017 14:47:01 GMT -5
Read the post please. There are multiple hurricanes in play. The one I responded to was for Jose. I did, pedrofan was talking about Irma and you changed it to a discussion about a small one.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 7, 2017 14:49:17 GMT -5
Read the post please. There are multiple hurricanes in play. The one I responded to was for Jose. I did, pedrofan was talking about Irma and you changed it to a discussion about a small one. In his response, Norm bolded the text in pedrofan's post that said "who knows if Jose will follow the same path as Irma right to Florida" to make clear that's what he was responding to. Jose is relevant because the timing would line up with when the Red Sox are scheduled to be in Tampa.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 7, 2017 15:09:26 GMT -5
My Mom lives in a 6th floor condo right on the beach in Palm Beach. Weather.com's forecast for Sunday is 127 mph winds from the ENE (up from 124 earlier today). As of today, they're not planning to evacuate.
This is not as crazy as it sounds. There's nothing to the ENE of the building to get blown in her direction, and her windows face south, anyway. And the whole unit is built much higher than sea level. A 20' storm surge might get into the pool deck area but I'm not sure that even the first-floor condos would be flooded. Ironically, if you build a condo for a hundred people on the beach there, you apparently plan for very serious hurricanes ... whereas the folks who built homes inland a bit are probably very much at risk.
I love violent weather -- as soon as I have time and money (i.e., when I finish the thing I'm supposed to be doing instead) I'll go on a tornado-chasing vacation -- so if that is the weather she gets, I'll sort of wish I were there.
Of course, there's still a chance the forecast gets worse and they do have to evacuate.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 7, 2017 15:35:20 GMT -5
I did, pedrofan was talking about Irma and you changed it to a discussion about a small one. In his response, Norm bolded the text in pedrofan's post that said "who knows if Jose will follow the same path as Irma right to Florida" to make clear that's what he was responding to. Jose is relevant because the timing would line up with when the Red Sox are scheduled to be in Tampa. I am mainly concerned that people will take this too lightly. At the present rate and direction, Irma is going to be nasty. If you were to look back at Typhoon Haiyan / Yolanda, everything about this one is pretty much a mirror image of that one, the radars, the satellites, the offshore wind reports.
Sebastian Rhodes Stampa, head of a UN disaster assessment co-ordination team, said there was "destruction on a massive scale" in Tacloban. "There are cars thrown like tumbleweed and the streets are strewn with debris. The last time I saw something of this scale was in the aftermath of the [2004] Indian Ocean tsunami." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_Haiyan
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 7, 2017 15:52:48 GMT -5
A few observations in the aftermath. It was pretty obvious from news footage that pretty much all of the wooden structures were leveled and that the concrete structures were damaged but still standing. The majority of the destruction was from the wind but the majority of deaths were from the storm surge which included the flooding of the evacuation center. There are still thousands of bodies that were never found. Vietnam, it's next land after the Philippines evacuated 600,000 people before it arrived.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 7, 2017 17:23:16 GMT -5
In his response, Norm bolded the text in pedrofan's post that said "who knows if Jose will follow the same path as Irma right to Florida" to make clear that's what he was responding to. Jose is relevant because the timing would line up with when the Red Sox are scheduled to be in Tampa. I am mainly concerned that people will take this too lightly. At the present rate and direction, Irma is going to be nasty. If you were to look back at Typhoon Haiyan / Yolanda, everything about this one is pretty much a mirror image of that one, the radars, the satellites, the offshore wind reports.
Sebastian Rhodes Stampa, head of a UN disaster assessment co-ordination team, said there was "destruction on a massive scale" in Tacloban. "There are cars thrown like tumbleweed and the streets are strewn with debris. The last time I saw something of this scale was in the aftermath of the [2004] Indian Ocean tsunami." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_HaiyanIt depends if Irma goes directly over Florida or not. If the eye walls go right over the center of the peninsula of Florida, we could be talking about the most devastating storm in US history, right next to Katrina. This thing is twice or even three times the size of Hurricane Andrew was back then and is bringing just as much power. If Irma stays off to the east of Florida, then you're only talking about total devastation on the east side of Florida. This thing is going to be a wrecking ball, it's just a matter of where this wrecking ball turns.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 7, 2017 17:58:35 GMT -5
Barbuda, St. Martin/St. Marteen, and St. Barthélemy have been largely wiped out in the wake of those 155+ mph winds. Anguila and the British Virgin Islands are also in a world of hurt. Turks and Caicos are next on the Caribbean tour schedule. As pedro says, it depends on where the wrecking ball lands - and how fast it's going when it gets there. A five pound brick at 150 mph carries 45% more energy than one at 125 mph. It doesn't take many of those to do some dirt. There was talk, perhaps apocryphal, of cars flying through the air as the storm passed over the islands. 2"x4"s have been known to impale themselves halfway through trees once they become airborne in hurricane force winds. My memories, still vivid, are of Diane in 1955 when I was a little guy, with a large oak fallen onto a two story brick home next to my dad's adopted mom's place. Stuff like that tends to stay with you.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 7, 2017 19:21:56 GMT -5
Jesus Norm, one of my earliest clear memories was Diane and a tree. We lived on the third floor of a house in Waltham and had a tree (probably Oak but that'd be a guess) blown over. One of the branches went through our window and smashed our TV. We were one of the few in the neighborhood to have a TV and people used to come over just to look at it. This is what I recall:
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Post by jmei on Sept 7, 2017 22:54:58 GMT -5
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 7, 2017 23:33:39 GMT -5
Good stuff. Thanks for posting this. The control is so good that with a decent arsenal - and he's got that back now - he can be a very useful piece. He was pretty much a found good, just laying there in the street like a five dollar bill someone dropped. Dombrowski deserves credit for the moves he's made at the trading deadline, and for those he didn't such as getting a rental at third when he had Devers making his way up. If the Sox do go on to have success in the playoffs, those moves will look even better than they do now.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 8, 2017 4:47:00 GMT -5
While you were asleep... And now an 8.0+ earthquake off the coast of Mexico. How I heard about that was a govt cell phone message warning us to stay vigilant for tsunami alerts. The island I live on is pretty much tsunami proof but I believe the cell phone message was likely sent to all cells in all Eastern facing provinces. So far, I have yet to see any actual tsunami reports. www.manilatimes.net/21-ph-provinces-warned-tsunami-magnitude-8-quake-mexico/349410/UPDATE: Apparently no major tsunami was generated.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 8, 2017 8:34:30 GMT -5
For those still in Florida, please consider taking a trip. brobible.com/culture/article/aerial-footage-hurricane-irma-barbuda-destruction/ The islands of St. Martin and Barbuda were hit the hardest (so far) of any islands in the path of Hurricane Irma. It’s estimated that 90% of all structures on those two islands were completely destroyed. Homes, resorts, restaurants, boats, cars…everything, destroyed. It’s estimated that *at least* 60% of the population of Barbuda is currently homeless because of damage caused by Hurricane Irma.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 8, 2017 9:04:18 GMT -5
For those still in Florida, please consider taking a trip. brobible.com/culture/article/aerial-footage-hurricane-irma-barbuda-destruction/ The islands of St. Martin and Barbuda were hit the hardest (so far) of any islands in the path of Hurricane Irma. It’s estimated that 90% of all structures on those two islands were completely destroyed. Homes, resorts, restaurants, boats, cars…everything, destroyed. It’s estimated that *at least* 60% of the population of Barbuda is currently homeless because of damage caused by Hurricane Irma.The sad part is that Jose is going to be following up Irma soon in Antigua. Most of these people don't have power to their homes and don't even know that this storm is coming. Irma's eye wall is looking like it could very well go right down the middle of the peninsula of Florida, which would be catastrophic damage. It could pick back up to a Cat 5 hurricane as it moves across the water from Cuba to Florida too. Cat 4 or 5 rating doesn't matter however, that's just for the record books. It will only be the difference of 10 mph in winds, which isn't a lot. This is a strong Cat 4 hurricane. Irma will be put into the record books and will be remembered forever. This really is the "perfect storm" when it comes to disaster.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 8, 2017 11:16:39 GMT -5
For those still in Florida, please consider taking a trip. brobible.com/culture/article/aerial-footage-hurricane-irma-barbuda-destruction/ The islands of St. Martin and Barbuda were hit the hardest (so far) of any islands in the path of Hurricane Irma. It’s estimated that 90% of all structures on those two islands were completely destroyed. Homes, resorts, restaurants, boats, cars…everything, destroyed. It’s estimated that *at least* 60% of the population of Barbuda is currently homeless because of damage caused by Hurricane Irma.The sad part is that Jose is going to be following up Irma soon in Antigua. Most of these people don't have power to their homes and don't even know that this storm is coming. Irma's eye wall is looking like it could very well go right down the middle of the peninsula of Florida, which would be catastrophic damage. It could pick back up to a Cat 5 hurricane as it moves across the water from Cuba to Florida too. Cat 4 or 5 rating doesn't matter however, that's just for the record books. It will only be the difference of 10 mph in winds, which isn't a lot. This is a strong Cat 4 hurricane. Irma will be put into the record books and will be remembered forever. This really is the "perfect storm" when it comes to disaster. That's my concern - forecasters have it bumping back up to cat 5 when it gets closer to FL - they state that storms often intensify when they make a northward turn - and it will be hitting that warmer water. I have a brother in Tampa and cousins in Naples - all are staying/riding it out. Scary stuff indeed, and my thoughts are with everyone in this storm's path.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 8, 2017 11:41:19 GMT -5
For those still in Florida, please consider taking a trip. brobible.com/culture/article/aerial-footage-hurricane-irma-barbuda-destruction/ The islands of St. Martin and Barbuda were hit the hardest (so far) of any islands in the path of Hurricane Irma. It’s estimated that 90% of all structures on those two islands were completely destroyed. Homes, resorts, restaurants, boats, cars…everything, destroyed. It’s estimated that *at least* 60% of the population of Barbuda is currently homeless because of damage caused by Hurricane Irma.People still in Florida are going to have a really hard time getting out. It's not like evacuating Houston. There's only one way out.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 8, 2017 16:37:21 GMT -5
All true. Miami has the Atlantic on one side, and the Everglades on the other. What's sort of eye-opening, is that the governor has told all 20 million people in the state to get out of Dodge. That should be interesting.
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Post by danr on Sept 8, 2017 17:18:57 GMT -5
Back in the late 1960s, when I was the Baltimore bureau manager for United Press International, I covered a hurricane that came up the coast. I was in Ocean City, Md, when it hit. Ocean waves went completely across Ocean City into the bay that separates it from the mainland, and I drove through them. My car suffered quite a bit of damage from the salt water. My story on the hurricane was on the front page of the Sunday New York Times, the only time that ever happened! I was infamous in UPI for my love of weather stories.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 8, 2017 17:34:25 GMT -5
For those still in Florida, please consider taking a trip. brobible.com/culture/article/aerial-footage-hurricane-irma-barbuda-destruction/ The islands of St. Martin and Barbuda were hit the hardest (so far) of any islands in the path of Hurricane Irma. It’s estimated that 90% of all structures on those two islands were completely destroyed. Homes, resorts, restaurants, boats, cars…everything, destroyed. It’s estimated that *at least* 60% of the population of Barbuda is currently homeless because of damage caused by Hurricane Irma.People still in Florida are going to have a really hard time getting out. It's not like evacuating Houston. There's only one way out. My dad is a truck driver who's in Florida right now. Took him 7 hours to go 100 miles. It's a parking lot down there.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 8, 2017 18:22:34 GMT -5
For those still in Florida, please consider taking a trip. brobible.com/culture/article/aerial-footage-hurricane-irma-barbuda-destruction/ The islands of St. Martin and Barbuda were hit the hardest (so far) of any islands in the path of Hurricane Irma. It’s estimated that 90% of all structures on those two islands were completely destroyed. Homes, resorts, restaurants, boats, cars…everything, destroyed. It’s estimated that *at least* 60% of the population of Barbuda is currently homeless because of damage caused by Hurricane Irma.The sad part is that Jose is going to be following up Irma soon in Antigua. Most of these people don't have power to their homes and don't even know that this storm is coming. Irma's eye wall is looking like it could very well go right down the middle of the peninsula of Florida, which would be catastrophic damage. It could pick back up to a Cat 5 hurricane as it moves across the water from Cuba to Florida too. Cat 4 or 5 rating doesn't matter however, that's just for the record books. It will only be the difference of 10 mph in winds, which isn't a lot. This is a strong Cat 4 hurricane. Irma will be put into the record books and will be remembered forever. This really is the "perfect storm" when it comes to disaster. When the projected path went up the middle of the peninsula, the forecast for my Mom's condo went to 147 mph from the SE, which is towards her windows. I got scared there for a while. Now the projected track is more West Coast, just east of Tampa, and her forecast is 107 from the ESE. There's still nothing out in that direction and that's a lot less wind, so I'm much less concerned. But this could change again overnight.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 8, 2017 18:44:39 GMT -5
The sad part is that Jose is going to be following up Irma soon in Antigua. Most of these people don't have power to their homes and don't even know that this storm is coming. Irma's eye wall is looking like it could very well go right down the middle of the peninsula of Florida, which would be catastrophic damage. It could pick back up to a Cat 5 hurricane as it moves across the water from Cuba to Florida too. Cat 4 or 5 rating doesn't matter however, that's just for the record books. It will only be the difference of 10 mph in winds, which isn't a lot. This is a strong Cat 4 hurricane. Irma will be put into the record books and will be remembered forever. This really is the "perfect storm" when it comes to disaster. When the projected path went up the middle of the peninsula, the forecast for my Mom's condo went to 147 mph from the SE, which is towards her windows. I got scared there for a while. Now the projected track is more West Coast, just east of Tampa, and her forecast is 107 from the ESE. There's still nothing out in that direction and that's a lot less wind, so I'm much less concerned. But this could change again overnight. Good luck to your mom's place. Hopefully your mom got out.
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