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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 22, 2017 9:21:57 GMT -5
I think the point, though, was that he's getting at least one, if not two, more starts. It's not like he was going to go without a strikeout in those. I hate taking this side, but the thought is that it would have been so much more impressive and uplifting at the end of a dominant game on the same night they clinched a playoff berth than it may have been if it happened at the beginning of a mediocre or lousy game. I'm 100% on this side and that's part of the reason. The other part is that basically everyone in the Red Sox wanted to see that happening and that is uplifting and motivational. Guys need to fist pump like cavemen more than they need marginal RnR. At this point of the season, they need that alpha dog feeling more than anything.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 22, 2017 9:28:09 GMT -5
ADD: Bobby Valentine would have pulled him. Then lied and said Sale wanted to be pulled. Of course the team would also be like 66-86 right now if Valentine was the manager, and everyone who had gone into a slump at any point would be either benched or continuing to slump. Then Cafardo would've said that Valentine is just motivating the players and deserves another chance. EDIT: The Red Sox have won 11 of 14 and Chris Sale is having the best season by a Boston pitcher in at least 14 (probably 17) years. This is a pretty good "people will always find something to be mad about" type of controversy.
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Post by coachmac on Sept 22, 2017 11:03:32 GMT -5
what we don't know is if Sale wanted for reasons that have to do with confidence, or more work (if he felt that something clicked, for instance). I think the point is you can trust the player here, and not feel as thought your trading off future performance. We don't if that is the case. Being cautious isn't always the answer. I'd rather air on the side of caution with pitching Jerry. Earlier this season you lambasted the Red Sox and Farrell for sliding Chris Sale one additional day to give him a fifth day of rest. You then continued to argue, ad nauseum, that he should be pitched on four days rest despite the overwhelming evidence that he pitches better with five days of rest and that his performance in the 2d half of the season isn't as good as the 1st half. Now you want to err on the side of caution over 12 pitches. Really, a little hypocritical don't you think?
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Sept 22, 2017 11:11:29 GMT -5
If you're on the same side as Cafardo.......just sayin'
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 22, 2017 17:15:35 GMT -5
I'd rather air on the side of caution with pitching Jerry. Earlier this season you lambasted the Red Sox and Farrell for sliding Chris Sale one additional day to give him a fifth day of rest. You then continued to argue, ad nauseum, that he should be pitched on four days rest despite the overwhelming evidence that he pitches better with five days of rest and that his performance in the 2d half of the season isn't as good as the 1st half. Now you want to err on the side of caution over 12 pitches. Really, a little hypocritical don't you think? I want Chris Sale pitching in the most important moments. The Sox played the Yankees something like 11 or 12 times in the second half. It was very important to push him during that stretch. Now that the Sox are 3 games up with 10 games to go, it is a good time to lay off Sale, especially in a game where you're up by 8 runs. I'm anything but hypocritical.
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