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9/25-9/27 Red Sox vs. Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 25, 2017 21:04:18 GMT -5
Pedroia available to hit surely - Leon? Lin? Please, no Holt and Young!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 25, 2017 21:07:00 GMT -5
And Fenway took away a homerun.
That would of been in the second deck in Yankee stadium.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 25, 2017 21:07:29 GMT -5
Send Young home tomorrow. Useless.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 25, 2017 21:07:39 GMT -5
Wow....just one of those nights that it seems it is not meant to be. Devers so close!
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 25, 2017 21:10:49 GMT -5
What a tremendous effort by the bullpen nonetheless.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 25, 2017 21:12:13 GMT -5
Can't see why we would carry Holt (.183), or Young (.226), on the playoff roster.
Hanley is at .238 and going south, but we need some potential power. I think he is in serious decline.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 25, 2017 21:12:33 GMT -5
Alex Speier @alexspeier 2m2 minutes ago More The Red Sox' 6-game winning streak ends in a 6-4 loss. Magic number still 3, but status of Nunez/Pomeranz/Betts looms large.
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Post by station13 on Sept 25, 2017 21:17:54 GMT -5
Can't see why we would carry Holt (.183), or Young (.226), on the playoff roster. Hanley is at .238 and going south, but we need some potential power. I think he is in serious decline. Playoff has 2 off days in each series for travels, hopefully they don't have a need to turn to the bench.
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 25, 2017 21:58:25 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 25, 2017 22:39:46 GMT -5
Kind of a deflating night. I hope Nunez and Betts are going to be ok. At this point they probably shouldn't play Nunez until this upcoming weekend so they can see where he's at. It doesn't look too good. It looked like he was struggling to put weight on his knee.
He's a big loss to the lineup. That means that the Sox will have to DH Hanley and will either include Young on the roster to DH (horrible thought) or Travis to platoon with Moreland at 1b.
Either way they're missing a player who was hitting for average, showing good pop and had good speed a top of the order. That's a huge loss.
And now we have to worry about Betts' thumb. That could definitely impact him when he's hitting.
The Sox lineup has its issues when everybody is healthy, but having a banged Pedroia, an injured Mookie, Hanley with his messed up shoulders, Xander recovering from an injury, and Nunez questionable with his knee injury, that's an awful lot of question marks in the lineup at a time they need to get everybody as healthy as possible.
Add to that a bit of uncertainty with Pomeranz - at this point I'm hoping for a Thursday clinching and I would hope we don't see Sale or Pomeranz start a game until the post-season.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 25, 2017 22:51:22 GMT -5
Add to that a bit of uncertainty with Pomeranz - at this point I'm hoping for a Thursday clinching and I would hope we don't see Sale or Pomeranz start a game until the post-season. I disagree strongly with this. I'd much, much rather have him throw 40-60 pitches on Saturday to get himself some semi-regular work in rather than go on 10 days rest coming off one of his few poor outings of the year. Every indication is that he was out there tonight tinkering, rather than struggling because of an injury
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 25, 2017 23:38:26 GMT -5
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 25, 2017 23:54:41 GMT -5
Hanley is at .238 and going south, but we need some potential power. I think he is in serious decline.We noticed.
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 25, 2017 23:58:03 GMT -5
What a tremendous effort by the bullpen nonetheless. The one area on this team I feel really good about. Get six innings and a lead, got to like our chances from the 7th on.
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Post by dirtdog on Sept 26, 2017 0:07:58 GMT -5
It's the second straight year that Betts has reached the century mark for RBIs, joining Hall of Famer Ted Williams as the only two players in franchise history with at least 100 RBIs in consecutive seasons before turning 25.
This is rarefied air. More impressive considering Mookie has been a little bit down this year.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 26, 2017 2:26:40 GMT -5
Add to that a bit of uncertainty with Pomeranz - at this point I'm hoping for a Thursday clinching and I would hope we don't see Sale or Pomeranz start a game until the post-season. I disagree strongly with this. I'd much, much rather have him throw 40-60 pitches on Saturday to get himself some semi-regular work in rather than go on 10 days rest coming off one of his few poor outings of the year. Every indication is that he was out there tonight tinkering, rather than struggling because of an injury Pedro Martinez would always stress to keep your regular routine besides the extra rest. I heard him talk about it on the MLB network and he stated the biggest reason why was because "pitchers need to keep the feel of pitching." He also agreed that it would only need to take 40 or 50 pitches to accomplish that. So if Pedro would agree, then it's probably the right call.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 26, 2017 2:36:49 GMT -5
If Mookie Betts has anything serious, then this team's playoff chances of reaching the world series is almost flushed down the toilet.
At least Eduardo is somewhat replaceable in the lineup (sort of). Considering he was only going to DH, it wouldn't of killed them on both sides of the playing field. Tough bat to replace in a weak lineup however.
Mookie Betts on the other hand would be. Just a absolute playoff ending injury if he's out, so I'll try to listen to Jerry's advice and think positive here.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 26, 2017 5:52:54 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 26, 2017 8:56:26 GMT -5
tiebreakers FYI BOS has tie over CLE and over HOUS CLE has tie over HOUS NYY has tie over BOS and MINN (homefield on the MONDAY tiebreaker game and/or the TUES Wildcard game) MINN has tie over LAA (homefield on the MONDAY tiebreaker game ) WASH has tie over CHC and over LAD COL has tie over MIL STL has tie over COL MIL has tie over STL (for homefield on MONDAY tiebreaker game) COL looks like Team A and bye in the 3-way tie AZ has tie over COL which is why they have clinched homefield on WED Wildcard CHI has tie over MIL and over STL for MON tiebreaker game there is also the tiebreakers for World Series homefield. I will defer to others for today www.espn.com/mlb/standings/gridThanks for this rundown ... I forgot all about tiebreakers when I did the magic numbers! Here's a corrected and updated version. The Nationals have clinched the #2 seed and the Diamondbacks have clinched the WC home field. 1: Cubs division, Yankees WC home field 2: Twins WC, Dodgers #1 seed, Astros #2 seed 3: Red Sox division 4: Indians #1 seed 5: Rockies WC
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 26, 2017 9:38:32 GMT -5
Red Sox vs. TOR: Bogaerts SS, Núñez DH, Betts RF, Ramirez 1B, Vázquez C, Devers 3B, Young LF, Marrero 2B, Bradley Jr. CF, Pomeranz LHP Young starting against a LH and Travis not. Does this mean Young is back in the lead for that roster spot, PFF? I think that they're trying to give players as many days off as possible with the division seemingly locked up. I think the Sox will go with Hanley and Davis over Young and Travis at this point on the bench in the playoffs. I don't get that last part. One bench spot is Leon, obviously, but who are your other 3-4? Lineup (Roughly): Vazquez, Moreland, Pedroia, Bogaerts, Nunez, Benintendi, JBJ, Betts, Devers Bench: Leon, Hanley, Davis, ... then what? Holt I guess? And who else? And again, in a five-game series with two off days, and with two infielders with injury concerns, I'd argue a 5-man bench would (in theory) be a lot more important than having an 8th reliever. The question is whether you have five bench players worth carrying. A thought - if you want to DH Vazquez when he's not catching, is it worth carrying Swihart? If Vazquez is one of your 8 best hitters, it might be worth it. (I know I argued against this before - what's changed is the idea that CV is one of their 8 best hitters and is worth DH'ing to get the best lineup out there. Maybe that changed just for me, but that is the key point.) Travis has hit LHP well and I'm actually with your old point now that Travis should and actually might make the roster over Young. The question for me is Holt vs. Swihart. There's no question to me that they'll take Holt, and I think there's value to him given the injury situation. But it's an interesting thought.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 26, 2017 10:33:05 GMT -5
Hanley is at .238 and going south, but we need some potential power. I think he is in serious decline.We noticed. It's true that Hanley has had only one game this entire season where he had three hits, including two for extra bases. It's also true that it was the previous game he started, in Baltimore, where he looked as good as he has all season. He then got 2 PH PA over the next 4 days. And he just missed a few balls last night. I don't see a guy in decline, in terms of skill; I see a guy who has struggled to get healthy and to stay healthy long enough to get into a groove. It wouldn't surprise me at all for him to hit like 2nd-half 2016 Hanley the rest of the way. This team is far likelier to go deep into the postseason with a vintage Hanley. Even if Nunez were not out again, the smart thing to do would be to give him every chance to get his groove back. You know, the one he had in his previous start.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 26, 2017 10:49:59 GMT -5
Fun trivia fact: Bryce Brentz has more hits in September than Chris Young, and more than double the TB. He put up a 781 OPS in 4 September games (4/17, 2B, HR, BB), while Young has gone 3/20 with 2 BB, 1 HBP and no XBH.
I'm about 80% certain the decision to stick with Young rather than to give Brentz a shot at his job was Farrell's call, since there was a pretty strong sabermetric argument that Brentz was easily the better hitter. (*) And sticking with the veteran who's popular in the clubhouse is a classic JF move. It's like a tiny bit of John McNamara's brain got lodged in his.
And now we're debating whether Travis, Young, Marrero, or Swihart gets the last roster spot.
* Yeah, at some point I said they were a wash in terms of projections, but I was forgetting that Brentz didn't alter his approach with the toe-tap until 6 1/2 weeks into the season. Projections based just on his numbers after that a point are much better.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 26, 2017 11:04:29 GMT -5
Fun trivia fact: Bryce Brentz has more hits in September than Chris Young, and more than double the TB. He put up a 781 OPS in 4 September games (4/17, 2B, HR, BB), while Young has gone 3/20 with 2 BB, 1 HBP and no XBH. I'm about 80% certain the decision to stick with Young rather than to give Brentz a shot at his job was Farrell's call, since there was a pretty strong sabermetric argument that Brentz was easily the better hitter. (*) And sticking with the veteran who's popular in the clubhouse is a classic JF move. It's like a tiny bit of John McNamara's brain got lodged in his. And now we're debating whether Travis, Young, Marrero, or Swihart gets the last roster spot. * Yeah, at some point I said they were a wash in terms of projections, but I was forgetting that Brentz didn't alter his approach with the toe-tap until 6 1/2 weeks into the season. Projections based just on his numbers after that a point are much better. Well, as we've discussed, you need to include Travis in that discussion. Once Davis was acquired, that altered Young's role, particularly on a playoff team. Travis is 8/24 (albeit with no walks and only a 2B for an XBH), most of that coming against LHP I'd guess. It might be that Brentz was never going to make a playoff roster over Travis as the RHPH and was never going to start in the outfield. I think THAT'S the bigger deal than the veteran thing. If you honestly wanted to evaluate Young versus a young guy for a postseason roster spot, there's a fair argument that adding Brentz to the mix would've spread AB's too thin to really get a fair feel for who you want. (Note: Not saying I agree with that line of thinking, just that it is a lot more sensical than the straight-up Young vs. Brentz line of thinking)
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 26, 2017 12:15:55 GMT -5
I'm about 80% certain the decision to stick with Young rather than to give Brentz a shot at his job was Farrell's call, since there was a pretty strong sabermetric argument that Brentz was easily the better hitter. You say that based on what? Because I really doubt the front office is going to let Farrell make that call unilaterally, especially considering Brentz isn't on the 40-man roster and I don't think the manager is responsible for that stuff. If they wanted Brentz on the team and thought he was the clear best option, he'd be on the team. While it's certain that someone approached Farrell and asked what he thought of Brentz and he said "nah, I'm good thanks", I can't see how this is decided by one person alone.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 26, 2017 12:52:02 GMT -5
Fun trivia fact: Bryce Brentz has more hits in September than Chris Young, and more than double the TB. He put up a 781 OPS in 4 September games (4/17, 2B, HR, BB), while Young has gone 3/20 with 2 BB, 1 HBP and no XBH. I'm about 80% certain the decision to stick with Young rather than to give Brentz a shot at his job was Farrell's call, since there was a pretty strong sabermetric argument that Brentz was easily the better hitter. Counterpoint: Fernando Abad had a roster spot all season. I'm guessing that if Farrell specifically wanted Brentz he'd have gotten him, but the choice not to bring him up was either the front office's or a collaborative one.
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