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9/25-9/27 Red Sox vs. Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 25, 2017 11:30:28 GMT -5
9/25 Red Sox (LHP Drew Pomeranz 16-5, 3.15, 165.2 IP, 171K:66BB ) vs. Blue Jays (LHP Brett Anderson 1-2, 6.17, 23.1 IP, 16K:6BB) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 9/26 Red Sox (LHP Chris Sale 17-7, 2.75, 209.1 IP, 300K:41BB) vs. Blue Jays (LHP J.A. Happ 9-11, 3.64, 138.1 IP, 133K:46BB) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 9/27 Red Sox (RHP Rick Porcello 10-17, 4.55, 197.2 IP, 173K:46BB) vs. Blue Jays (RHP Marco Estrada 10-8, 4.70, 183.2 IP, 174K:70BB) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsSeries Thread Disclaimer: The SoxProspects Moderators will be somewhat liberal in policing the Red Sox "Series" Threads. Some of the Ground Rules are applied loosely in here, as we understand that there is a tendency to want to react (or overreact) to every play of a Sox game with one line reactionary posts. Those posts are okay in the Red Sox Series threads to a point - we certainly appreciate the passion. Just try not to overdo it, and try to maintain some semblance of reason. In addition, please don't let those type of posts spill over to other more substantive threads, where they may be deleted. -The Management
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 25, 2017 11:44:36 GMT -5
By bedtime tonight, will the magic number reduced to 2...or 1? Loving baseball right now!
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Post by michael on Sept 25, 2017 11:52:43 GMT -5
By bedtime tonight, will the magic number reduced to 2...or 1? Loving baseball right now! Let's just hope it isn't 3. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 25, 2017 13:08:51 GMT -5
So, let's say that, entering the Astros series, the Sox have wrapped up the division and enter 3 games behind Houston (or 4 games if they'd win the tiebreaker, whatever). Do they go all-out in an attempt to get home field? Is it more important to get home field or to not let the opposing lineup see the pitchers they're going to face again in a week?
To me, it's clear you go all-out until the division is clinched to avoid the WC game, but it's not so clear to me on home field.
EDIT: Forgive me for missing this discussion in the last gameday thread while painting my home with my in-laws in town. Anyway, still relevant.
Note that Game 1 of the LDS isn't until Thursday, so the only pitcher who can't go in game 1 is Sunday's starter. Of course, that means tomorrow is almost definitely Sale's last start, unless they give him a spring training start on Sunday before moving to a bullpen game. I can't imagine them making him unavailable for game 1 in order to try and get home field. Only exception is that I'd think you throw him to stay out of the wild card game.
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Post by jchang on Sept 25, 2017 13:19:11 GMT -5
unless we sweep Toronto and Astros get swept by the Rangers, we will be 2 or more behind the Astros going into the final series, meaning we would have to win at least 3 against the Astros, hence we would win the series, and get the tie breaker.
I am assuming the MFY will not run the table and that we can win 2 of the remaining games,
so I am inclined to say that Sale and Pom not pitch in the final series against the Astros
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Post by m1keyboots on Sept 25, 2017 13:51:13 GMT -5
So, let's say that, entering the Astros series, the Sox have wrapped up the division and enter 3 games behind Houston (or 4 games if they'd win the tiebreaker, whatever). Do they go all-out in an attempt to get home field? Is it more important to get home field or to not let the opposing lineup see the pitchers they're going to face again in a week? To me, it's clear you go all-out until the division is clinched to avoid the WC game, but it's not so clear to me on home field. EDIT: Forgive me for missing this discussion in the last gameday thread while painting my home with my in-laws in town. Anyway, still relevant. Note that Game 1 of the LDS isn't until Thursday, so the only pitcher who can't go in game 1 is Sunday's starter. Of course, that means tomorrow is almost definitely Sale's last start, unless they give him a spring training start on Sunday before moving to a bullpen game. I can't imagine them making him unavailable for game 1 in order to try and get home field. Only exception is that I'd think you throw him to stay out of the wild card game. In the past it seems as though depending on the team, and distance to first. Don't think the Bosox would do it, and couldn't blame them if they didn't. Even professionals need some time off and a day here, maybe one the week before is not rest. Personally I'd love to see them go for it and finish the season strongly, for momentum purposes if it can be done at the same time as we set our rotation. Because even though Sox can't control home field they can the rotation order. Weird subject I wouldn't want to jinx though. |
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 25, 2017 14:39:34 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if the Yankees don't give up on the division which could make the clinch happen early.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 25, 2017 15:05:24 GMT -5
Nunez back in the lineup tonight. He's in at DH. Hanley is playing first base. Probably a sign of things to come in the playoffs.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 25, 2017 15:05:27 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if the Yankees don't give up on the division which could make the clinch happen early. I don't think the MFY will give up on anything until they have clinched the wild card home game. As it stands right now that probably won't happen until Wednesday, at the earliest. I believe their magic number for that will be 2 or 3 after todays win. |
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 25, 2017 15:06:11 GMT -5
Nunez back in the lineup tonight. He's in at DH. Hanley is playing first base. Probably a sign of things to come in the playoffs. against lefties only, I hope. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 25, 2017 15:06:25 GMT -5
Red Sox vs. TOR: Bogaerts SS, Núñez DH, Betts RF, Ramirez 1B, Vázquez C, Devers 3B, Young LF, Marrero 2B, Bradley Jr. CF, Pomeranz LHP
Young starting against a LH and Travis not. Does this mean Young is back in the lead for that roster spot, PFF?
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 25, 2017 15:23:42 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if the Yankees don't give up on the division which could make the clinch happen early. Their magic number to clinch home field for the WC game is also 3. All the magic numbers: 1: Nationals #2 seed, Diamondbacks WC home 2: Cubs division 3: Red Sox division, Twins WC, Yankees WC home field, Dodgers #1 seed 4: Astros #2 seed 5: Rockies WC, Indians #1 seed Rockies and Twins clearly have the most at stake, but the Astros are definitely next; their seed could change either way more easily than anything else that might happen. Between needing to clinch the division and hoping to catch the Astros, we're after them. |
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Post by huskies15 on Sept 25, 2017 15:34:15 GMT -5
Assuming we handle business this series, I just want Sale and especially Pomeranz to be given a bit of a breather. Pomeranz was barely hitting 90 in his last start, and seems like he could use a slightly extended rest.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 25, 2017 15:50:34 GMT -5
All the magic numbers: 1: Nationals #2 seed, Diamondbacks WC home 2: Cubs division 3: Red Sox division, Twins WC, Yankees WC home field, Dodgers #1 seed 4: Astros #2 seed5: Rockies WC, Indians #1 seed Rockies and Twins clearly have the most at stake, but the Astros are definitely next; their seed could change either way more easily than anything else that might happen. Between needing to clinch the division and hoping to catch the Astros, we're after them. I agree regarding the Rockies and Twins, but I think the Yankees (WC home field) have the next most at stake, not the Astros (#2 seed). To me it seems home field advantage in a one game playoff has more value than home field advantage over a five game series. I'm not sure what the numbers say and the current playoff format is so new (2012 season) I doubt you could conclude much by looking at them. I should have said what I meant, which is "most at stake per game." You're absolutely right they they have more at stake overall, but a magic number of 3 with 7 left is ordinarily just a matter of time. Maybe "urgency" is what I'm talking about. |
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 25, 2017 15:58:22 GMT -5
Assuming we handle business this series, I just want Sale and especially Pomeranz to be given a bit of a breather. Pomeranz was barely hitting 90 in his last start, and seems like he could use a slightly extended rest. both have pitched (on pace) for career highs this year. I agree and think that has to be the plan for the Sox for the week, if all goes decent enough. |
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 25, 2017 16:07:57 GMT -5
Astros are using their probable 3-2-1 starters in Arlington: McHugh, Keuchel, and Verlander.
My guess for their rotation against us: Brad Peacock (their likely 4), Charlie Morton, Lance McCullers, McHugh short tuneup.
I think it highly unlikely that we'll shoot to sweep them if we're still 3 or 4 games behind them (although if you win the first two you obviously start to reconsider). But in the very unlikely event we can close to 2, then you can certainly go for 3 out of 4. You can give needed off days without a significant downgrade of Nunez is close to 100%.
(Frankly, I think it's much likelier that they gain a game on us in the next 3 and clinch the #2 seed before the series even starts.)
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 25, 2017 16:37:01 GMT -5
Assuming we handle business this series, I just want Sale and especially Pomeranz to be given a bit of a breather. Pomeranz was barely hitting 90 in his last start, and seems like he could use a slightly extended rest.  Truth |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 25, 2017 16:53:54 GMT -5
Red Sox vs. TOR: Bogaerts SS, Núñez DH, Betts RF, Ramirez 1B, Vázquez C, Devers 3B, Young LF, Marrero 2B, Bradley Jr. CF, Pomeranz LHP Young starting against a LH and Travis not. Does this mean Young is back in the lead for that roster spot, PFF? I think that they're trying to give players as many days off as possible with the division seemingly locked up. I think the Sox will go with Hanley and Davis over Young and Travis at this point on the bench in the playoffs. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 25, 2017 16:56:30 GMT -5
Nunez back in the lineup tonight. He's in at DH. Hanley is playing first base. Probably a sign of things to come in the playoffs. against lefties only, I hope. Yeah it's pretty much a platoon situation at this point between Moreland and Hanley at first base going forward. |
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 25, 2017 17:35:46 GMT -5
tiebreakers FYI BOS has tie over CLE and over HOUS CLE has tie over HOUS NYY has tie over BOS and MINN (homefield on the MONDAY tiebreaker game and/or the TUES Wildcard game) MINN has tie over LAA (homefield on the MONDAY tiebreaker game ) WASH has tie over CHC and over LAD COL has tie over MIL STL has tie over COL MIL has tie over STL (for homefield on MONDAY tiebreaker game) COL looks like Team A and bye in the 3-way tie AZ has tie over COL which is why they have clinched homefield on WED Wildcard CHI has tie over MIL and over STL for MON tiebreaker game there is also the tiebreakers for World Series homefield. I will defer to others for today www.espn.com/mlb/standings/grid |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 25, 2017 18:03:08 GMT -5
So, let's say that, entering the Astros series, the Sox have wrapped up the division and enter 3 games behind Houston (or 4 games if they'd win the tiebreaker, whatever). Do they go all-out in an attempt to get home field? Is it more important to get home field or to not let the opposing lineup see the pitchers they're going to face again in a week? To me, it's clear you go all-out until the division is clinched to avoid the WC game, but it's not so clear to me on home field. EDIT: Forgive me for missing this discussion in the last gameday thread while painting my home with my in-laws in town. Anyway, still relevant. Note that Game 1 of the LDS isn't until Thursday, so the only pitcher who can't go in game 1 is Sunday's starter. Of course, that means tomorrow is almost definitely Sale's last start, unless they give him a spring training start on Sunday before moving to a bullpen game. I can't imagine them making him unavailable for game 1 in order to try and get home field. Only exception is that I'd think you throw him to stay out of the wild card game. I am happy for them to get some of the major arms some rest...but would like to see the offense keep the pedal to the metal. I sincerely feel like they made a big mistake by "relaxing" too soon last year, and they went into the postseason with no momentum whatsoever. |
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Post by cutz on Sept 25, 2017 18:04:12 GMT -5
I HOPE Pomeranz can keep his good season going tonight. I'm sure we all noticed his Velo took a dip last outing.
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Post by cutz on Sept 25, 2017 18:23:34 GMT -5
Some nice situational hitting
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Post by cutz on Sept 25, 2017 18:37:00 GMT -5
41 MPH blast for a hit ther. I thought Hanley was gonna catch it in the air
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 25, 2017 18:42:51 GMT -5
Hanley being a poor 1B has cost Pomeranez 4 runs and 20 pitches, at least.
That being said he's not exactly missing bats.
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