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Post by swingingbunt on Oct 23, 2017 0:43:09 GMT -5
As much as I want to get on board the JD Martinez wagon, I just don't see how he fits with the way the current roster is constructed. He's not a first baseman, so it seems that without moving either JBJ or Hanley, then he has no fit on the team. And if he is signed, then the Sox would need to also get a competent first basemen, which would already put them close to the $240 million mark without even thinking about adding any bullpen guys.
So why not this trade with the Rockies?
Rockies get:
Hanley ($44 Million Owed, ~$22 AAV)
Kimbrel ($13 Million Owed, $13 AVV)
Sox get:
Ian Desmond ($60 Million Owed, ~$14 AAV)
Ryan McMahon (Minimum)
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Desmond might be one of the few contracts that are worse than Hanley right now, but at least he has some positional flexibility. McMahon would give the Sox a first basemen to plug in, but more importantly, it would open the DH position for JD. The trade would create a huge hole in the bullpen, but the Sox would be saving enough money in the deal to have no problems going out to get a couple pieces.
Let me know what you think!
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 23, 2017 7:48:11 GMT -5
If the Sox plan to contend for another postseason how will they do so without a closer? Got anybody as good as or better than Kimbrel in mind?
And why would Colorado want a 34 yr. old guy carrying a bad salary and coming off shoulder surgery?
Btw, would love McMahon. But he could be a future star in Denver.
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Post by swingingbunt on Oct 23, 2017 8:16:12 GMT -5
If the Sox plan to contend for another postseason how will they do so without a closer? Got anybody as good as or better than Kimbrel in mind? And why would Colorado want a 34 yr. old guy carrying a bad salary and coming off shoulder surgery? Btw, would love McMahon. But he could be a future star in Denver. Both Davis and Holland are available, and if the Sox grab one of them (they would also have enough money available to re-sign Reed or someone similar), I think they can get enough value to make up for the loss of Kimbrel. As for the Rockies: they just gave a whole season of at bats to Mark Reynolds (who was terrible in the second half) and are losing their own star closer*. That might be enough incentive for them to take a chance on Hanley coming back from surgery. *If the Rockies can convince Davis or Holland to go to Colorado then my proposal is mute, but historically they've had problems getting pitchers to agree to go there. |
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 23, 2017 8:25:20 GMT -5
Holland and Davis would cost more than Kimbrel, and they aren't as good (check out where Davis's walk rate went this year). Ramirez's contract is much less bad than Desmond's, who is signed through 2021.
Ramirez's contract isn't so bad that the team should be using a valuable piece like Kimbrel to get out of it. Just pay him in 2018, hope for the best, and move on.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 23, 2017 8:34:02 GMT -5
If his shoulder is alright, Hanley could return to 1b and be serviceable while JD Martinez becomes the DH. Or perhaps Martinez could play 1b during spring training. It is the easiest position on the defensive spectrum.
Kimbrel last season was the best closer in the AL, and as has been pointed out, it would cost more to get a lesser pitcher. And I'm not convinced that Hanley has nothing to contribute. It depends, as always, on his health. He looked healthy in October, so who knows?
I wouldn't know why Colorado would want to gamble on Hanley for a season. If Hanley can't play defense he has the fallback of being the DH. He has no such fallback in Colorado, so he'd be a $22 million pinch-hitter.
I don't think either team would want to make that deal.
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Post by michael on Oct 23, 2017 11:21:26 GMT -5
As much as I want to get on board the JD Martinez wagon, I just don't see how he fits with the way the current roster is constructed. He's not a first baseman, so it seems that without moving either JBJ or Hanley, then he has no fit on the team. And if he is signed, then the Sox would need to also get a competent first basemen, which would already put them close to the $240 million mark without even thinking about adding any bullpen guys. So why not this trade with the Rockies? Rockies get: Hanley ($44 Million Owed, ~$22 AAV) Kimbrel ($13 Million Owed, $13 AVV) Sox get: Ian Desmond ($60 Million Owed, ~$14 AAV) Ryan McMahon (Minimum) -------- Desmond might be one of the few contracts that are worse than Hanley right now, but at least he has some positional flexibility. McMahon would give the Sox a first basemen to plug in, but more importantly, it would open the DH position for JD. The trade would create a huge hole in the bullpen, but the Sox would be saving enough money in the deal to have no problems going out to get a couple pieces. Let me know what you think! Desmond has nine years of ML service. Might he still qualify as Offered on waivers and if not taken sent down as done with Alan What's his name(how soon I forget) |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 23, 2017 12:04:51 GMT -5
As much as I want to get on board the JD Martinez wagon, I just don't see how he fits with the way the current roster is constructed. He's not a first baseman, so it seems that without moving either JBJ or Hanley, then he has no fit on the team. And if he is signed, then the Sox would need to also get a competent first basemen, which would already put them close to the $240 million mark without even thinking about adding any bullpen guys. So why not this trade with the Rockies? Rockies get: Hanley ($44 Million Owed, ~$22 AAV) Kimbrel ($13 Million Owed, $13 AVV) Sox get: Ian Desmond ($60 Million Owed, ~$14 AAV) Ryan McMahon (Minimum) -------- Desmond might be one of the few contracts that are worse than Hanley right now, but at least he has some positional flexibility. McMahon would give the Sox a first basemen to plug in, but more importantly, it would open the DH position for JD. The trade would create a huge hole in the bullpen, but the Sox would be saving enough money in the deal to have no problems going out to get a couple pieces. Let me know what you think! Desmond has nine years of ML service. Might he still qualify as Offered on waivers and if not taken sent down as done with Alan What's his name(how soon I forget) Cutoff is 5 years of service time. You can't outright Desmond without paying him. Same thing as Sandoval. I'm not sure either team makes this deal. The Red Sox don't need to get rid of Hanley's contract so badly that they're going to downgrade the closer spot for more money (negating some of the money you're saving by moving Hanley) and the Rockies aren't so close to contention that it's worth giving up 6 years of control of McMahon for one year of Kimbrel - keep in mind they got a great year out of Holland, so closer wasn't the problem. I'll point out that Hanley isn't owed $44M. 2019 is a vesting option, with the requirement that he reach 497 plate appearances this year AND pass a physical. That last part is the one we keep forgetting, I think, and with his surgically repaired shoulder, I could easily see him failing it. |
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