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Post by swingingbunt on Oct 29, 2017 17:25:23 GMT -5
I don't really know what to say about this one, except "Where do I sign up?" This article came across my Feedly today, " Kansas City Royals Should Trade Whit Merrifield to Boston Red Sox," and here was their suggestion: Red Sox get: 2B, Whit Merrifield RHP, Kelvin Herrera LHP, Ryan Buchter Royals get: 3B, Michael Chavis Utility, Brock Holt RHP, Austin Maddox They go into their reasoning in the article, but I'll let you click over to get the specifics. Either way, am I the only one that says yes to this trade as quick as humanly possible?
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Post by telson13 on Oct 29, 2017 20:18:41 GMT -5
I don't really know what to say about this one, except "Where do I sign up?" This article came across my Feedly today, " Kansas City Royals Should Trade Whit Merrifield to Boston Red Sox," and here was their suggestion: Red Sox get: 2B, Whit Merrifield RHP, Kelvin Herrera LHP, Ryan Buchter Royals get: 3B, Michael Chavis Utility, Brock Holt RHP, Austin Maddox They go into their reasoning in the article, but I'll let you click over to get the specifics. Either way, am I the only one that says yes to this trade as quick as humanly possible? I don't want the Sox to trade Chavis (or, really, Maddox, who averaged 96 with a nice change), but that's actually a great trade idea in terms of the thinking.
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Post by jiant2520 on Oct 29, 2017 21:05:53 GMT -5
I don't really know what to say about this one, except "Where do I sign up?" This article came across my Feedly today, " Kansas City Royals Should Trade Whit Merrifield to Boston Red Sox," and here was their suggestion: Red Sox get: 2B, Whit Merrifield RHP, Kelvin Herrera LHP, Ryan Buchter Royals get: 3B, Michael Chavis Utility, Brock Holt RHP, Austin Maddox They go into their reasoning in the article, but I'll let you click over to get the specifics. Either way, am I the only one that says yes to this trade as quick as humanly possible? I did propose a trade a few weeks ago for Herrera and Buchter... I really like this one, but I think we can do it without including Maddux.
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 30, 2017 7:42:00 GMT -5
Can Merrifield play 1B?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 30, 2017 11:57:22 GMT -5
At first I thought a Red Sox writer was behind this idea, but it was a Royals guy. The whole idea is kinda flawed. Saying you trade Merrifield because Chavis could be twice as good. Last two years he has 1.6 bwar in 81 games and 3.9 war in 145. I'm a huge Chavis guy, but with his D being a 6 to 8 war player seems crazy high. Sure he has a chance, but wow that's a little crazy. Then you add in Herrera, he had a down year, but was very good for years. Then for some reason add in Butcher, a power lefty coming off back to back 1 plus war seasons.
I love Chavis, we need his low salary in future years. In this deal you get Merrifield who would replace him. Frankly this deal seems light unless Herrera is injured or something like that. Herrera and Butcher would seem to be very valuable trade chips, but in this trade they are thrown ins. Holt has negative value in my opinion right now and Maddox is a decent arm, but that's about it.
The only thing is that long-term you'd have to think Pedroia doesn't fully come back or retires soon. Otherwise Chavis could be more useful long-term than Merrifield on the bench. Scouting report made it sound like he could play an average SS, which would change things. Very interesting idea.
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 30, 2017 12:58:53 GMT -5
I was not impressed with the scenario on first read. But quoting the KC blog gives me more reason to doubt the proposal.
The author's talking points are severely flawed. Example 1: "The Red Sox financially invested in Hanley Ramirez as their DH through 2019. Wrong!! Sox hold an option for 2019 which becomes effective only if he passes a physical after the 2018 season and records some 475 plate appearances. Sox control plate appearances and it's argued that the number won't be attained in the team is not convinced he's worth $20+ million.
"Dustin Pedroia is on the decline of his career". While he may not be in his mid twenties, there is no evidence that he cannot play the position or that he performance has deteriorated. Why trade for a second baseman when you only need him for two months in the regular season. And the writer claims that Merrifield becomes the utility player. With Marco, Lin, Marrero and possibly Nunez, the team is well protected at the position.
"Red Sox bullpen is a bit if an issue.........". BP is one of the strengths of the roster. Herrera may be helpful, but, with Thornburg's return and Smith's recuperation coupled with Maddox, Kelly, Barnes and the Beeks and the AAA relievers on the horizon, there are better internal options.
The writer notes that Holt has missed significant amounts of time with injuries in the last two seasons. Yet he touts him as the Royals second baseman until Lopez is ready then becoming the utility guy. ...."we know Ned Yost loves him some Holt"
Chavis could very well be included in a trade. But it would be for a much higher profile player such as Ozuna or Abreu, not Merrifield.
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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on Oct 30, 2017 20:17:56 GMT -5
I was not impressed with the scenario on first read. But quoting the KC blog gives me more reason to doubt the proposal. The author's talking points are severely flawed. Example 1: "The Red Sox financially invested in Hanley Ramirez as their DH through 2019. Wrong!! Sox hold an option for 2019 which becomes effective only if he passes a physical after the 2018 season and records some 475 plate appearances. Sox control plate appearances and it's argued that the number won't be attained in the team is not convinced he's worth $20+ million. "Dustin Pedroia is on the decline of his career". While he may not be in his mid twenties, there is no evidence that he cannot play the position or that he performance has deteriorated. Why trade for a second baseman when you only need him for two months in the regular season. And the writer claims that Merrifield becomes the utility player. With Marco, Lin, Marrero and possibly Nunez, the team is well protected at the position. "Red Sox bullpen is a bit if an issue.........". BP is one of the strengths of the roster. Herrera may be helpful, but, with Thornburg's return and Smith's recuperation coupled with Maddox, Kelly, Barnes and the Beeks and the AAA relievers on the horizon, there are better internal options. The writer notes that Holt has missed significant amounts of time with injuries in the last two seasons. Yet he touts him as the Royals second baseman until Lopez is ready then becoming the utility guy. ...."we know Ned Yost loves him some Holt" Chavis could very well be included in a trade. But it would be for a much higher profile player such as Ozuna or Abreu, not Merrifield. True Pedey has still shown he can field and his approach is still exceptional, but he's still a 34 yo coming off major knee surgery. And even if he comes back in seven months, his playing time will need to be monitored. I don't see the harm in looking for someone who can step in for him when needed, play well when given playing time, and could be used elsewhere as well. I could be talked into this trade, but I'd prefer not to give up Maddox. I'm also wary of buying high on merrifield and potentially selling low on holt, although I'm not as concerned with the latter. I'd rather kick the tires on Ian Happ first.
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 31, 2017 9:56:07 GMT -5
I was not impressed with the scenario on first read. But quoting the KC blog gives me more reason to doubt the proposal. The author's talking points are severely flawed. Example 1: "The Red Sox financially invested in Hanley Ramirez as their DH through 2019. Wrong!! Sox hold an option for 2019 which becomes effective only if he passes a physical after the 2018 season and records some 475 plate appearances. Sox control plate appearances and it's argued that the number won't be attained in the team is not convinced he's worth $20+ million. "Dustin Pedroia is on the decline of his career". While he may not be in his mid twenties, there is no evidence that he cannot play the position or that he performance has deteriorated. Why trade for a second baseman when you only need him for two months in the regular season. And the writer claims that Merrifield becomes the utility player. With Marco, Lin, Marrero and possibly Nunez, the team is well protected at the position. "Red Sox bullpen is a bit if an issue.........". BP is one of the strengths of the roster. Herrera may be helpful, but, with Thornburg's return and Smith's recuperation coupled with Maddox, Kelly, Barnes and the Beeks and the AAA relievers on the horizon, there are better internal options. The writer notes that Holt has missed significant amounts of time with injuries in the last two seasons. Yet he touts him as the Royals second baseman until Lopez is ready then becoming the utility guy. ...."we know Ned Yost loves him some Holt" Chavis could very well be included in a trade. But it would be for a much higher profile player such as Ozuna or Abreu, not Merrifield. True Pedey has still shown he can field and his approach is still exceptional, but he's still a 34 yo coming off major knee surgery. And even if he comes back in seven months, his playing time will need to be monitored. I don't see the harm in looking for someone who can step in for him when needed, play well when given playing time, and could be used elsewhere as well. I could be talked into this trade, but I'd prefer not to give up Maddox. I'm also wary of buying high on merrifield and potentially selling low on holt, although I'm not as concerned with the latter. I'd rather kick the tires on Ian Happ first. I think you should be more concerned about losing Michael Chavis in such a deal. Isn't the seven months cited recuperation from the time of surgery? That would put Dusty' return about mid May, an absence of six weeks.
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Post by jiant2520 on Nov 5, 2017 11:25:53 GMT -5
Its been stated that Pedey will be out 7 months for the injury, after that you would think two or three weeks on a rehab/extended spring training assignment, so I would think mid-June is reasonable without any set backs. If there is a set back it is very likely to stay out through the all-star break....
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