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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 9:58:10 GMT -5
Show you what? I'm not a mod, and I could be mistaken, but I didn't think the purpose of this place was to make up Deven Marrero for Mike Trout fantasies or make 20 player 10 team deals that have less than 0 chance of happening, but what do I know? Carry on. I put these trades in for discussion. But since I'm a new member/rookie I haven't earned that privilege yet. Seems it's as saying nope that won't work never happen. The crazy Hanley trade that I proposed above came me researching other teams prospects and the Dodgers Royals and White Sox trade. Knowing that it was a stupid crazy. But hoping for a compromise or a discussion. Guess not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 10:33:10 GMT -5
Here is today's trade proposal.
The rumors on the Cole trade proposal on Wednesday were that the Astros were going to send Whitley Moran and Tucker to the Pirates for Cole. So again i made a little twist on this trade. I included Felipe Rivero in my trade. Rivero is a power lefty reliever which in my opinion the Sox need.
Sox get Cole Rivero
Pirates get Groome Chavis Wright Johnson Cedrola
I was thinking that the Pirates might ask for Beeks Ockimey and Mata instead of Wright Johnson Cedrola.
What do you think?
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 12, 2018 11:03:11 GMT -5
I don't really want to trade any more prospects right now, especially for players that aren't a big upgrade.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 12, 2018 11:38:00 GMT -5
If you think a trade proposal is unrealistic, the route to go is to explain why you think it is unrealistic. This one is admittedly out there, but we’re generally not going to shut down proposals made in good faith. Thanks. Did that already. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 11:53:26 GMT -5
I don't really want to trade any more prospects right now, especially for players that aren't a big upgrade. Cole isn't an upgrade over Wright? Rivero isn't an upgrade over Robby Scott?
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 12, 2018 13:00:05 GMT -5
I don't really want to trade any more prospects right now, especially for players that aren't a big upgrade. Cole isn't an upgrade over Wright? Rivero isn't an upgrade over Robby Scott? Cole isn't a big upgrade over the best of ERod/Wright/Johnson/Velazquez. Not enough to empty the rest of our farm system. I'm not that interested in LOOGYs. They're a dime a dozen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 13:43:20 GMT -5
Cole isn't an upgrade over Wright? Rivero isn't an upgrade over Robby Scott? Cole isn't a big upgrade over the best of ERod/Wright/Johnson/Velazquez. Not enough to empty the rest of our farm system. I'm not that interested in LOOGYs. They're a dime a dozen. Good point. Cole isn't as good as ERod/Wright/Johnson/Velazquez combined. Sincerely, THE LOOGY MAN
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 13, 2018 1:20:55 GMT -5
Here is today's trade proposal. The rumors on the Cole trade proposal on Wednesday were that the Astros were going to send Whitley Moran and Tucker to the Pirates for Cole. So again i made a little twist on this trade. I included Felipe Rivero in my trade. Rivero is a power lefty reliever which in my opinion the Sox need. Sox get Cole Rivero Pirates get Groome Chavis Wright Johnson Cedrola I was thinking that the Pirates might ask for Beeks Ockimey and Mata instead of Wright Johnson Cedrola. What do you think? www.mlb.com/news/gerrit-cole-astros-trade-talks/c-264513960Is this what you are talking about?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 12:22:05 GMT -5
Here is today's trade proposal. The rumors on the Cole trade proposal on Wednesday were that the Astros were going to send Whitley Moran and Tucker to the Pirates for Cole. So again i made a little twist on this trade. I included Felipe Rivero in my trade. Rivero is a power lefty reliever which in my opinion the Sox need. Sox get Cole Rivero Pirates get Groome Chavis Wright Johnson Cedrola I was thinking that the Pirates might ask for Beeks Ockimey and Mata instead of Wright Johnson Cedrola. What do you think? www.mlb.com/news/gerrit-cole-astros-trade-talks/c-264513960Is this what you are talking about? Thank you I'm all set.
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Post by jiant2520 on Jan 13, 2018 13:22:03 GMT -5
Huh?
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Post by jiant2520 on Jan 13, 2018 13:24:19 GMT -5
I would not trade Wright, Groome and Chavis for Cole. Cole may be better than Wright, but not so much so that we should need to include Groome and Chavis. It would not surprise me if they finish the year with similar numbers to be honest.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 13, 2018 14:58:23 GMT -5
My point was that doesn't say what you said. Just a guy speculating on who could be involved. Not they offered two top prospects, which I don't buy. No way the Pirates turn that down. Cole is not Chris Sale.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 15:20:11 GMT -5
My point was that doesn't say what you said. Just a guy speculating on who could be involved. Not they offered two top prospects, which I don't buy. No way the Pirates turn that down. Cole is not Chris Sale. That's the only article. Radio or TV communication on that topic. Wrong. No speculation on my part. Unfortunately for me I was still using the people who had incorrectly reported THE TRADE . And these were the players they said were possibly involved. They also said instead Whitley Martes could replace him. And I never said Cole was Sale.No one said the Pirates turned that down. That speculation is on you.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 13, 2018 16:56:07 GMT -5
My point was that doesn't say what you said. Just a guy speculating on who could be involved. Not they offered two top prospects, which I don't buy. No way the Pirates turn that down. Cole is not Chris Sale. That's the only article. Radio or TV communication on that topic. Wrong. No speculation on my part. Unfortunately for me I was still using the people who had incorrectly reported THE TRADE . And these were the players they said were possibly involved. They also said instead Whitley Martes could replace him. And I never said Cole was Sale.No one said the Pirates turned that down. That speculation is on you. Go read what you said, you acted like a rumor existed that the Astros where close to trading their top two prospects for Cole. You then built a trade for the Red Sox off of that. The rumors were those guys could possibly be involved, not that were both included in the trade. The rumors aren't even sure one is involved, nevermind both. If that isn't speculation on your part I don't know what is. I've look at a ton of reports, they all say the same thing. You took possibly those two players are involved and turned it into a rumor both were included. No you never said he was Sale, you just proposed a trade package that acts like he is.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 17:17:34 GMT -5
That's the only article. Radio or TV communication on that topic. Wrong. No speculation on my part. Unfortunately for me I was still using the people who had incorrectly reported THE TRADE . And these were the players they said were possibly involved. They also said instead Whitley Martes could replace him. And I never said Cole was Sale.No one said the Pirates turned that down. That speculation is on you. Go read what you said, you acted like a rumor existed that the Astros where close to trading their top two prospects for Cole. You then built a trade for the Red Sox off of that. The rumors were those guys could possibly be involved, not that were both included in the trade. The rumors aren't even sure one is involved, nevermind both. If that isn't speculation on your part I don't know what is. I've look at a ton of reports, they all say the same thing. You took possibly those two players are involved and turned it into a rumor both were included. No you never said he was Sale, you just proposed a trade package that acts like he is. Listen football is on now. Bruins play the Canadiens in less than 2 hours. I'm not going argue with you . I could always call my ex wife for that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 17:23:48 GMT -5
And the Patriots will be playing in 3 hours Forgot that .Sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 10:50:30 GMT -5
Today's Trade Idea
In my opinion the Red Sox need a left-handed reliever. Many say they need a 8th inning reliever. So my decision was to go and get a left-hander that could possibly take care of the 8th and other situations I've checked lists and stats to find a lefty at the right price. Price meaning contract ,years of control, best stuff and how many prospects it would cost to acquire these pitchers. The list of lefties were; Brad Hand,Chris Rusin, Alex Claudio , Tony Watson and Felipe Rivero.I started eliminating ,Brad Hand would take the same package of prospects as Kimbrel did.Chris Rusin had good 2017 season but not much of a track record before that. Alex Claudio was intriguing with his arm slot and funky delivery but the Rangers seem to be building towards a possible playoff run. Finally I decided on Watson and Rivero.
Tony Watson 2017 stats:Pitt/LA age 32, 3.30era 66.2inn 9hr 72hits 20bb 53k's 1.25whip 10 saves. Has made 67 appearances the last seven seasons including the minors. Throws 4 pitches FB 90-95, Sinker 90-95, Change up 88-89, Slider 85-86. Free agent. Predicted contract 2/12m sources fangraphs/MLB trade rumors.
Felipe Rivero 2017 stats; Pitt, age 26 1.67era 75.1inn 4hr 47hits 88k's 0.88whip 21 saves. Throws a FB 95-100+. He topped 100mph more often than all but 2 pitchers. His Change up so filthy that it drew whiffs on 53.6% of swings taken. Under control for 4yrs 2017 salary 564k. Both of these pitchers would would help on out of the bullpen. But both would have prices that could hurt the Sox. Watson would add 6m to the payroll.And Dombrowski didn't sign McGee or Minor bringing me to think he's watching payroll. And Rivero would cost prospects ,but has a low salary. So a long story even longer. I'm stuck. Need help to make a decision. Watson; 2years 12m and no prospects
Rivero; 4years of control 564k+arb/prospects Trade 1 Justin Haley Brian Johnson Trenton Kemp Hildemaro Requena Trade 2 Shawaryn Cedrola Trade 3 Mata
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 16, 2018 0:23:55 GMT -5
Tony Watson makes a ton of sense and 2 years at 6 million per seems like a fair deal. Heck it seems low even after a down year. I bet he wants 3 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 8:52:37 GMT -5
Tony Watson makes a ton of sense and 2 years at 6 million per seems like a fair deal. Heck it seems low even after a down year. I bet he wants 3 years. Yesterday the Pirates signed Rivero to a 4 year deal with 2 club options plus a 2m signing bonus. Rivero will get 2.5m in '18 , 4m in'19 , 5.25 in'20, 7.25m in '21, and club options worth 10m in '22-'23. Tough to say . But Watson for 2/12m and no prospects looks a better deal today.
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Post by jiant2520 on Jan 16, 2018 11:15:41 GMT -5
Tony Watson makes a ton of sense and 2 years at 6 million per seems like a fair deal. Heck it seems low even after a down year. I bet he wants 3 years. Yesterday the Pirates signed Rivero to a 4 year deal with 2 club options plus a 2m signing bonus. Rivero will get 2.5m in '18 , 4m in'19 , 5.25 in'20, 7.25m in '21, and club options worth 10m in '22-'23. Tough to say . But Watson for 2/12m and no prospects looks a better deal today. I'd take Watson.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jan 17, 2018 14:34:10 GMT -5
Nicholas Castellanos is a young budding star who has been rumored to be available in trades by the Tigers. He batted .272 last season with 25 HR and 101RBI at age 25. Has a career 267/314/447 while playing mostly at 3B. He is reportedly agreeable to playing OF next season. Controllable asset who can provide RH power for several years.
Price would be high, though, as Detroit is looking to rebuild, and he should be included in the program. Chavis at a minimum.......fill in the blanks for compensation.
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Post by giltg on Feb 18, 2018 5:04:26 GMT -5
After the Rays have traded Jake Odorizzi to the Twins for shortstop Jermaine Palacios their number 27 Prospect. I was wondering if they would take Aneury Tavares* for Chris Archer.
* Tavares is Sox prospects number 27 Prospect.
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 18, 2018 13:31:55 GMT -5
After the Rays have traded Jake Odorizzi to the Twins for shortstop Jermaine Palacios their number 27 Prospect. I was wondering if they would take Aneury Tavares* for Chris Archer. * Tavares is Sox prospects number 27 Prospect. Definitely not. Even without counting for the fact that Archer is a significantly better pitcher, Archer is also signed through 2019 with a team option for 2020. Odorizzi is only signed through 2018. Plus, the prospect comparison isn’t equal. #27 in one system isn’t going to be #27 in another. The twins have a much better farm system than us. Of course, you could have been making a joke? I honestly cannot tell in this case. Good question either way.
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Post by giltg on Feb 18, 2018 14:02:06 GMT -5
After the Rays have traded Jake Odorizzi to the Twins for shortstop Jermaine Palacios their number 27 Prospect. I was wondering if they would take Aneury Tavares* for Chris Archer. * Tavares is Sox prospects number 27 Prospect. Definitely not. Even without counting for the fact that Archer is a significantly better pitcher, Archer is also signed through 2019 with a team option for 2020. Odorizzi is only signed through 2018. Plus, the prospect comparison isn’t equal. #27 in one system isn’t going to be #27 in another. The twins have a much better farm system than us. Of course, you could have been making a joke? I honestly cannot tell in this case. Good question either way. Definitely a joke. I don't think the Rays would trade a player like Odorizzi or Archer to the Sox anyway. And I think when Tavares was returned as a Rule 5 pick from a Baltimore Orioles he had to pass through all the other teams before Sox would get him back. Anyway my point was that it seems like trades lately teams are taking a lesser value Prospect. I wish you Sox could get a deal like that.
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Post by giltg on Feb 18, 2018 17:18:01 GMT -5
I was just on Bleacher Report Joel Sherman made a fake pretend make believe trade proposal with the Padres sending Jackie Bradley jr. to the Padres and Wil Myers. I'm not sure why he proposed this but in my opinion I wouldn't make this trade JBJ is way too valuable to the Red Sox.
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