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giltg
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Post by giltg on Feb 22, 2018 12:23:34 GMT -5
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Post by telson13 on Feb 23, 2018 0:24:34 GMT -5
Quality player, but they have Pedroia, Nunez, and then Holt/Lin/Marrero at 2b, Plus Devers entrenched at 3b and Chavis as a potential mid season callup if anything (powers that be forbid) happened to him. There’s a bit of a utility glut on the Sox, and while Harrison is a big step up from most of those guys (and probably at least a fair one from Nunez, given the latter’s defensive issues), he’s expensive. They’d have to find takers for probably Moreland and maybe move, idk, Kelly? And they’d be up against the cap come deadline time. I think Harrison would be a very good addition, but it’s more about roster crunch and who they can give up to get a player who’d be essentially a luxury. If they could get creative, though, it’s not a bad idea. Depth wins championships.
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giltg
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Post by giltg on Feb 23, 2018 7:32:43 GMT -5
Quality player, but they have Pedroia, Nunez, and then Holt/Lin/Marrero at 2b, Plus Devers entrenched at 3b and Chavis as a potential mid season callup if anything (powers that be forbid) happened to him. There’s a bit of a utility glut on the Sox, and while Harrison is a big step up from most of those guys (and probably at least a fair one from Nunez, given the latter’s defensive issues), he’s expensive. They’d have to find takers for probably Moreland and maybe move, idk, Kelly? And they’d be up against the cap come deadline time. I think Harrison would be a very good addition, but it’s more about roster crunch and who they can give up to get a player who’d be essentially a luxury. If they could get creative, though, it’s not a bad idea. Depth wins championships. I agree with you that the Sox do have Pedroia Nunez Holt Lin Marrero and even Quiroz after what I saw how he played yesterday. But I would include one of those players in the deal to acquire Harrison along with 1-2 of the many middle relief clones that they have in the system. Harrison those play second base but also plays third first left and right field and would definitely prefer Harrison over Marrero or Lin.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 23, 2018 9:20:32 GMT -5
Quality player, but they have Pedroia, Nunez, and then Holt/Lin/Marrero at 2b, Plus Devers entrenched at 3b and Chavis as a potential mid season callup if anything (powers that be forbid) happened to him. There’s a bit of a utility glut on the Sox, and while Harrison is a big step up from most of those guys (and probably at least a fair one from Nunez, given the latter’s defensive issues), he’s expensive. They’d have to find takers for probably Moreland and maybe move, idk, Kelly? And they’d be up against the cap come deadline time. I think Harrison would be a very good addition, but it’s more about roster crunch and who they can give up to get a player who’d be essentially a luxury. If they could get creative, though, it’s not a bad idea. Depth wins championships. I agree with you that the Sox do have Pedroia Nunez Holt Lin Marrero and even Quiroz after what I saw how he played yesterday. But I would include one of those players in the deal to acquire Harrison along with 1-2 of the many middle relief clones that they have in the system. Harrison those play second base but also plays third first left and right field and would definitely prefer Harrison over Marrero or Lin. Harrison would be a waste of resources and would cost too much. The Sox are trying to stay under $237 million. Harrison is a 2b/3b, which is exactly what Nunez is who costs a lot less and wouldn't cost talent to surrender and doesn't put them over the limit. Harrison isn't that much better than Nunez, if he is at all. Pedroia will be back by May at some point, so Nunez is starting now. I don't see any reason to make a bunch of moves for somebody that would be an upgrade for two months if that. As it is now, the Sox have 10 starters for 9 positions and eventually 11 for 9 positions once Pedroia comes back. And that's not including Swihart who is probably capable of being an everyday player. If the Red Sox are going to add to any area they should be adding to is the bullpen. It's the bullpen that can use some fortification. They're obviously not going to get Holland, but maybe there's somebody low cost who can be an upgrade. I'm a Koji fan, but I'm also realistic that he's seen his best days, but can he be better than what they already got? And it's not just Koji, that's a question you can ask of any reliever still looking for a job. If they can be better bring them in for a look.
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giltg
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Post by giltg on Feb 23, 2018 9:49:00 GMT -5
I agree with you that the Sox do have Pedroia Nunez Holt Lin Marrero and even Quiroz after what I saw how he played yesterday. But I would include one of those players in the deal to acquire Harrison along with 1-2 of the many middle relief clones that they have in the system. Harrison those play second base but also plays third first left and right field and would definitely prefer Harrison over Marrero or Lin. Harrison would be a waste of resources and would cost too much. The Sox are trying to stay under $237 million. Harrison is a 2b/3b, which is exactly what Nunez is who costs a lot less and wouldn't cost talent to surrender and doesn't put them over the limit. Harrison isn't that much better than Nunez, if he is at all. Pedroia will be back by May at some point, so Nunez is starting now. I don't see any reason to make a bunch of moves for somebody that would be an upgrade for two months if that. As it is now, the Sox have 10 starters for 9 positions and eventually 11 for 9 positions once Pedroia comes back. And that's not including Swihart who is probably capable of being an everyday player. If the Red Sox are going to add to any area they should be adding to is the bullpen. It's the bullpen that can use some fortification. They're obviously not going to get Holland, but maybe there's somebody low cost who can be an upgrade. I'm a Koji fan, but I'm also realistic that he's seen his best days, but can he be better than what they already got? And it's not just Koji, that's a question you can ask of any reliever still looking for a job. If they can be better bring them in for a look. Koji? Koji? Koji? We're not talking about Koji?(Jim Mora reference) He's probably down to 82 miles an hour now. I would sign Trevor Rosenthal who's 28 years old he will be out for the 2018 season after having Tommy John surgery but if he returns to form you would throw 98 - 100 mph with little effort.The Minnesota Twins signed Michael Pineda to a two-year contract and he's out with 2018 season. but if you're looking for a reliever for this season in that article that I referenced in my original post Kelvin Herrera is available for the Kansas City Royals his contract pays him 7.9 million which would fit under 237m cap and is a free agent after this season so he may not cost that much in prospects.
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Post by jmei on Feb 23, 2018 9:49:05 GMT -5
Harrison would have been a nice pick-up before they signed Nunez, but he duplicates Nunez too much to be a good use of resources at this point.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 23, 2018 11:18:18 GMT -5
Harrison would be a waste of resources and would cost too much. The Sox are trying to stay under $237 million. Harrison is a 2b/3b, which is exactly what Nunez is who costs a lot less and wouldn't cost talent to surrender and doesn't put them over the limit. Harrison isn't that much better than Nunez, if he is at all. Pedroia will be back by May at some point, so Nunez is starting now. I don't see any reason to make a bunch of moves for somebody that would be an upgrade for two months if that. As it is now, the Sox have 10 starters for 9 positions and eventually 11 for 9 positions once Pedroia comes back. And that's not including Swihart who is probably capable of being an everyday player. If the Red Sox are going to add to any area they should be adding to is the bullpen. It's the bullpen that can use some fortification. They're obviously not going to get Holland, but maybe there's somebody low cost who can be an upgrade. I'm a Koji fan, but I'm also realistic that he's seen his best days, but can he be better than what they already got? And it's not just Koji, that's a question you can ask of any reliever still looking for a job. If they can be better bring them in for a look. Koji? Koji? Koji? We're not talking about Koji?(Jim Mora reference) He's probably down to 82 miles an hour now. I would sign Trevor Rosenthal who's 28 years old he will be out for the 2018 season after having Tommy John surgery but if he returns to form you would throw 98 - 100 mph with little effort.The Minnesota Twins signed Michael Pineda to a two-year contract and he's out with 2018 season. but if you're looking for a reliever for this season in that article that I referenced in my original post Kelvin Herrera is available for the Kansas City Royals his contract pays him 7.9 million which would fit under 237m cap and is a free agent after this season so he may not cost that much in prospects. Koji is more my heart speaking than my head, although it wouldn't shock me if Koji got major league hitters out and make them look silly throwing 65 miles per hour. Herrera could be a target at the all-star break, but with the Sox around $232 million his $8 million salary would put the Sox over 237 million if they were to trade kids for him right now. By July 31st he'd only be owed around 3 million which would fit the Sox financially, but a lot of teams would want his services so the question is what the Sox could reasonably give up without it being too much. I'm sure there'll be other targets, too, though and Herrera didn't exactly have the greatest season last season. Rosenthal is interesting but who knows how good his command will be? It's more than just throwing hard. Control and command matter, too. Like I said though, given what they have left financially and what their biggest needs are, I would say the pen would be the target with the caveat that the Sox don't need to get somebody right now necessarily. They can wait it out, see if Smith pitches well or either Barnes or Kelly step forward, and they can wait and see what their biggest need is come 7/31 and save their remaining 5 million to fill those needs then as opposed to maxing out now and not being able to help themselves later.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 26, 2018 9:28:25 GMT -5
Also, the Red Sox need to preserve whatever space they have under the $237 mark at this point because they could need that at midseason.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Mar 6, 2018 23:15:01 GMT -5
Also, the Red Sox need to preserve whatever space they have under the $237 mark at this point because they could need that at midseason. Between injuries and/or perceived need/s it's a near lock. Although I like the depth of this team alot. In fact that could be a thread unto itself, what do you perceive as the team's biggest weakness heading into the season? Most seasons I automatically default to the bullpen but it's not as clear-cut this year. Fodder for thought?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 17, 2018 10:53:40 GMT -5
Locking this. This entire subforum is for "trade ideas."
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