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Post by nomar on Dec 1, 2017 9:24:19 GMT -5
Check please
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Post by Coreno on Dec 1, 2017 14:18:52 GMT -5
This website can be exhausting at times...
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Post by wildcardwillie on Dec 1, 2017 23:02:07 GMT -5
Replacing Farrell should be five or so more wins... 😉 cant help myself!
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Post by libertine on Dec 1, 2017 23:31:22 GMT -5
I'm just not sold on the premise that Dombrowski would know what to do with the newly acquired prospects...other than turning right around and trading them away. The patience to let prospects develop is something DD generally doesn't have in his tool box. I'm not sure we'd even have Mookie, JBJ, Xander, Beni etc in our line-up if he had shown up a few years previous to when he did...
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Post by telson13 on Dec 1, 2017 23:54:04 GMT -5
As funny as thing thread has been, here’s a legitimate question: What DO they do with Porcello and Pomeranz? I was hoping they’d extend Pomeranz last year and maybe improve his (trade) value by locking in some lower-cost control years, but that ship has sailed. I like him a lot as a 3, though, and he looks like he’ll pitch like a solid 2 with maybe even a little 1a upside. He’s still fairly young, and his cutter makes him very good, vs a swingman or bullpen piece. I think he’s got several good years left. Are they just going to let those two go for next to nothing?
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Dec 2, 2017 0:20:33 GMT -5
They can make the playoffs. Not questioning that. But there is legitimately zero chance they can make the World Series. They just don't have the horses. Seriously, who do you consider untradeable on this team? Sale, Betts, Benny, and Devers. I just gave you 5 or 6 players from the Astros alone. Cleveland you have more of the same issues. Yankees are going to be there if they aren't already the prospects they have are too damn good not to be. Thats two or three teams right there ahead of you in the American League. Sure a couple of bounces and yes the Sox would have forced Game 5. But can you ever truly say you watched that series and expected the Sox to win? The answer is no. The one outlier is Anaheim. If they can get actual players around Trout who is the best player in baseball then they don't need the core the Astros or Cleveland has in the American League. We don't have the horses? Really? This team is filled with them and DD is going to add one or two more bats. If this team stays relatively healthy they are as talented a team as there is in Baseball. You could easily have the best rotation in Baseball. We have Pomeranz, Porcello and ERod as the backend of our rotation. We will have a full year of Devers. In addition everyone forgets that the Sox were the concensus best team in baseball before the year began. In and of itself that does not mean much but it was the view point of most of the masses interested in the game, so the perception has changed. And it did based on a down year by several younger key players on the team and alot of health issues, YET they still won 93 games. The reason to be optimistic far outweigh reasons to be pestimistic. Besides fuzzy has fuzzy logic and is likely trolling but that is my 2 cents.
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Post by patford on Dec 2, 2017 0:24:01 GMT -5
Moved this bit of insanity to its own thread. Tempted to move it off the main forum but leaving it for now. When I see a lunatic in front of CVS raving about aliens and microchips I give them a wide berth and then advise the store manager.
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Post by GyIantosca on Dec 2, 2017 7:06:28 GMT -5
I see a different picture than others. I said it before the biggest and best move was getting rid of Farrell. He wasn’t the worst but the team was spent by the time the playoffs rolled around. Whenever he could he always went with the veteran over the youngster. To me he sealed the deal by sitting Devers in game two. The next two games he homered and almost went to a game 5.
After 2019 the worst contracts are off the books. We don’t know what Price will do either. According to Mcadam after 2018 three free agents, Pomerez, Kimbrel, Maybe Hanley. After 2019 Xander, Sale, Porcello. You could argue you only sign Sale. But that’s not bad for the next two years to me. Also if Hanley makes it to 2019 he will be a free agent then. Also Pablo dead money is gone after 2019.
I think this season I believe in the comeback. I want to see bounce back years. I also see a handful of talent on the fringe waiting to fulfill it self. Swihart, Travis, Johnson, Wright from injury. Also Brentz, Castillo get another shot. I dying to see Chavis progression. I am also watching Okimey at AA. It’s too bad we sunk money into Pablo and Hanley.
Stanton is a bad move for us. He wants to be out west anyway. I really don’t want Martinez either. I rather stay patient and make a move at the deadline. There is good talent here. Farrell was a bad in game manager. Dying to see what Cora does breath of fresh air. Maybe I believe in this team too much but a change in coach’s is what this still very young team needed.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 2, 2017 18:27:04 GMT -5
This was an interesting read, kind of funny actually. Can't think of anything new to say but I will predict that the Sox will be very good next year. They are bound to be healthier and I think Cora is going to bring a style that is refreshing for the players. I think they are going to enjoy playing for him and it will show. I expect a lot of bounce back years and Hanley will be one of them.
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Post by soxjim on Dec 3, 2017 12:52:50 GMT -5
As funny as thing thread has been, here’s a legitimate question: What DO they do with Porcello and Pomeranz? I was hoping they’d extend Pomeranz last year and maybe improve his (trade) value by locking in some lower-cost control years, but that ship has sailed. I like him a lot as a 3, though, and he looks like he’ll pitch like a solid 2 with maybe even a little 1a upside. He’s still fairly young, and his cutter makes him very good, vs a swingman or bullpen piece. I think he’s got several good years left. Are they just going to let those two go for next to nothing? Can't take the premise of this thread seriously. IMO laughable. But for this question in terms of mini-blowup- I am not as optimistic as many fans on Hanley. Thus I'd get two guys this off-season that threaten 1b and DH playing time. In this scenario- Hanley won't get his at bats. Then look to spend big on Pomeranz if he has another good year. Then look to trade Porcello - he would only have one year left? However in order to trade him, Porcello can't have the year he had this year. If he is decent - he can be traded - even if it is not for much. A starting staff of Sale, Price, Pomeranz, ERod, Wright and imo Johnson would be fine in 2019. What do you think? I'm a bit concerned though about a future closer because I don't want to resign Kimbrel. It's not that I don't want to but have other priorities along with trying to get under the 2020 threshold. But hardly a reason "to blow things up." That's a complete joke.
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Post by telson13 on Dec 3, 2017 18:47:05 GMT -5
As funny as thing thread has been, here’s a legitimate question: What DO they do with Porcello and Pomeranz? I was hoping they’d extend Pomeranz last year and maybe improve his (trade) value by locking in some lower-cost control years, but that ship has sailed. I like him a lot as a 3, though, and he looks like he’ll pitch like a solid 2 with maybe even a little 1a upside. He’s still fairly young, and his cutter makes him very good, vs a swingman or bullpen piece. I think he’s got several good years left. Are they just going to let those two go for next to nothing? Can't take the premise of this thread seriously. IMO laughable. But for this question in terms of mini-blowup- I am not as optimistic as many fans on Hanley. Thus I'd get two guys this off-season that threaten 1b and DH playing time. In this scenario- Hanley won't get his at bats. Then look to spend big on Pomeranz if he has another good year. Then look to trade Porcello - he would only have one year left? However in order to trade him, Porcello can't have the year he had this year. If he is decent - he can be traded - even if it is not for much. A starting staff of Sale, Price, Pomeranz, ERod, Wright and imo Johnson would be fine in 2019. What do you think? I'm a bit concerned though about a future closer because I don't want to resign Kimbrel. It's not that I don't want to but have other priorities along with trying to get under the 2020 threshold. But hardly a reason "to blow things up." That's a complete joke. Yeah, as much as you and I battled over the direction of the team, I think we agree 100% regarding the premise of this thread. I also tend to agree with you here; I’d prefer that they extend Pomeranz and move Porcello. I’m not sure how that works, though, because if they’re contending, they “need” Porcello. So I think unless they get creative (sign Darvish if they can get a relative deal) or lucky (with Ohtani or the emergence of Beeks and/or Johnson or huge return of Wright), Im not sure they’ll do it.
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Post by Addam603 on Dec 3, 2017 21:34:11 GMT -5
Blowing it up is ridiculous, but in a couple years there are going to be some hard decisions. Think like the Patriots with Collins, Jones, and Hightower. If you don’t think you can resign them, trade them.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 4, 2017 14:18:15 GMT -5
This was fun, but probably time to shut it down.
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