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Post by kungfuizzy on Nov 30, 2017 12:40:30 GMT -5
What about blowing it up? Keep Sale. Thats fine. But trade Kimbrel for prospects. Pedroia can be dealt in July if he shows that he's healthy. Bradley would have a ton of value to a contender. Porcello would be a nice chip as would Pomeranz. Xander would get a haul as well. Do what the Yankees did two years ago. Then if you want to resign Kimbrel in the offseason next year then go ahead. But they need to punt in order to restock the farm. Tank for the best pick possible then get back on track what they were before 2016 which was a player development machine.
So my idea is to deal Xander, Pomeranz, Porcello, Bradley and Kimbrel for high end prospects. Hanley, Pedroia and Price for whatever they can get for them. Then run out this team for 2018
C-Vazquez
1B-Travis
2B-Holt
SS-Nunez (Resign 1 year 11 mil option for a 2nd)
3B-Devers
LF-Benentendi
CF-Maybin (1 year 10 million)
RF-Betts
DH-Brentz (Or if Otani picks the Sox for some reason that would be amazing)
Rotation
Sale
Erod
Wright
Velasquez
Chatwood (Signed 2 years 18 million)
Closer - Give Kelly the job and see how he handles it. Thornburg is coming back and Smith is probably 100% by the spring
Yes the team is an eyesore but thats the point. The Sox have been built as a treadmill squad. Need to break it up and start relying on becoming a player development machine again. Cut the payroll down to 100-120 million for a couple of seasons. It can be done. Look at Houston.
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Post by Guidas on Nov 30, 2017 13:16:23 GMT -5
What about blowing it up? Keep Sale. Thats fine. But trade Kimbrel for prospects. Pedroia can be dealt in July if he shows that he's healthy. Bradley would have a ton of value to a contender. Porcello would be a nice chip as would Pomeranz. Xander would get a haul as well. Do what the Yankees did two years ago. Then if you want to resign Kimbrel in the offseason next year then go ahead. But they need to punt in order to restock the farm. Tank for the best pick possible then get back on track what they were before 2016 which was a player development machine. So my idea is to deal Xander, Pomeranz, Porcello, Bradley and Kimbrel for high end prospects. Hanley, Pedroia and Price for whatever they can get for them. Then run out this team for 2018 C-Vazquez 1B-Travis 2B-Holt SS-Nunez (Resign 1 year 11 mil option for a 2nd) 3B-Devers LF-Benentendi CF-Maybin (1 year 10 million) RF-Betts DH-Brentz (Or if Otani picks the Sox for some reason that would be amazing) Rotation Sale Erod Wright Velasquez Chatwood (Signed 2 years 18 million) Closer - Give Kelly the job and see how he handles it. Thornburg is coming back and Smith is probably 100% by the spring Yes the team is an eyesore but thats the point. The Sox have been built as a treadmill squad. Need to break it up and start relying on becoming a player development machine again. Cut the payroll down to 100-120 million for a couple of seasons. It can be done. Look at Houston. You're a Yankee fan or a Baltimore fan? I can't quite tell. |
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 30, 2017 13:24:45 GMT -5
Why keep Mookie? He'd be a FA by the time the team was rebuilt. Why keep ERod? Why keep Sale?
When was the last team to completely blow themselves up for a rebuild after winning the division title for 2 straight years with a young team?
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Post by kungfuizzy on Nov 30, 2017 13:34:56 GMT -5
What about blowing it up? Keep Sale. Thats fine. But trade Kimbrel for prospects. Pedroia can be dealt in July if he shows that he's healthy. Bradley would have a ton of value to a contender. Porcello would be a nice chip as would Pomeranz. Xander would get a haul as well. Do what the Yankees did two years ago. Then if you want to resign Kimbrel in the offseason next year then go ahead. But they need to punt in order to restock the farm. Tank for the best pick possible then get back on track what they were before 2016 which was a player development machine. So my idea is to deal Xander, Pomeranz, Porcello, Bradley and Kimbrel for high end prospects. Hanley, Pedroia and Price for whatever they can get for them. Then run out this team for 2018 C-Vazquez 1B-Travis 2B-Holt SS-Nunez (Resign 1 year 11 mil option for a 2nd) 3B-Devers LF-Benentendi CF-Maybin (1 year 10 million) RF-Betts DH-Brentz (Or if Otani picks the Sox for some reason that would be amazing) Rotation Sale Erod Wright Velasquez Chatwood (Signed 2 years 18 million) Closer - Give Kelly the job and see how he handles it. Thornburg is coming back and Smith is probably 100% by the spring Yes the team is an eyesore but thats the point. The Sox have been built as a treadmill squad. Need to break it up and start relying on becoming a player development machine again. Cut the payroll down to 100-120 million for a couple of seasons. It can be done. Look at Houston. You're a Yankee fan or a Baltimore fan? I can't quite tell. Hell no. I want a potentially homegrown team that can win multiple titles. You can't tell me that the team as constructed right now can do that. They won two division titles. Great. Raise the banners. 2016 and 2017 AL East Champions. The Yankees from going backwards in 2016 will be able to raise AL East banners from 2018-2024 and 1 or 2 WS ones potentially. Why? Because they hit the reset button. As for JimEd your question of why you don't trade Mookie is very simple. You still need top end talent. He's an MVP candidate and Sale is a Cy Young candidate on a yearly basis. Those pieces you keep. Xander? Trade. JBJ? He's replaceable. Trade him. But you can absolutely reboot this entire farm system with players that have SIX years of control as opposed to having to pay JBJ and Xander top money when they aren't worth it. Paying Porcello that contract after this one. Pomeranz whatever he's going to want after next year. This team has zero shot at a ring next year so why not cash in on players who are going to be free agents soon? You want Kimbrel back after 2018? Do what the Yankees did with Chapman and sign him back. Price Hanley and Pedroia can be had for international spending pool money for all I care. |
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 30, 2017 13:37:35 GMT -5
Rebuild, but keep everyone who is really good.
Should work.
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Post by kungfuizzy on Nov 30, 2017 13:38:52 GMT -5
Why keep Mookie? He'd be a FA by the time the team was rebuilt. Why keep ERod? Why keep Sale? When was the last team to completely blow themselves up for a rebuild after winning the division title for 2 straight years with a young team? When was the last time a team that was young also had luxury tax issues? Pablo you can't do anything about. He's dead money. Thats 40 million right there. Hanley will hit his vesting part of the contract he's going to be another 40 + million over 2 years. Porcello still has value he's going to be 43 or something over the next two years. Xander is going to want at least 150 million. Bradley also switched to Boras which means more of the same there. Kimbrel will want north of 15 million a year after next year. This is the perfect time to do it. See what you have with the rest of your post prospects down in AAA. Take a 65-70 win season pick in the top 7-10 and restock the farm with those picks and the young talent you get from trading guys who are probably gone anyways. |
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Post by kungfuizzy on Nov 30, 2017 13:40:20 GMT -5
Rebuild, but keep everyone who is really good. Should work. Yankees did it. Keep Benentendi Devers Sale Betts. Anyone else can be moved. If you believe they only have 4 really good players then thats the issue. True contending teams could use guys like X JBJ Porcello Price to get over the hump. |
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 30, 2017 13:44:24 GMT -5
The Yankees traded two relievers, one of whom had an expiring contract and they resigned later, their catcher who was relegated to backup duties when surpassed by Gary Sanchez, and their part-time DH. They did this at the trading deadline of season in which they were under .500.
They're also worse than the Red Sox, and older.
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Post by kungfuizzy on Nov 30, 2017 13:53:37 GMT -5
The Yankees traded two relievers, one of whom had an expiring contract and they resigned later, their catcher who was relegated to backup duties when surpassed by Gary Sanchez, and their part-time DH. They did this at the trading deadline of season in which they were under .500. They're also worse than the Red Sox, and older. I disagree with them being worse than Boston. Yankees have an excellent core, not to mention they have Torres and Frazier in the farm (Both acquired for those two relievers). Sox really have no one even close to that in their system. Miller and Chapman are big time players. Lets not kid ourselves and make it seem like they traded Adam Warren. After 2018 Xander and JBJ become pricey. Xander gets his 150 and JBJ gets closer to his free agency payday. Years of control comes into play too. |
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 30, 2017 13:55:36 GMT -5
The reason the Red Sox don't have a Torres and Frazier on the farm is because Benintendi and Devers shot through the minor leagues so fast.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 30, 2017 13:56:00 GMT -5
You're a Yankee fan or a Baltimore fan? I can't quite tell. Hell no. I want a potentially homegrown team that can win multiple titles. You can't tell me that the team as constructed right now can do that. They won two division titles. Great. Raise the banners. 2016 and 2017 AL East Champions. The Yankees from going backwards in 2016 will be able to raise AL East banners from 2018-2024 and 1 or 2 WS ones potentially. Why? Because they hit the reset button. As for JimEd your question of why you don't trade Mookie is very simple. You still need top end talent. He's an MVP candidate and Sale is a Cy Young candidate on a yearly basis. Those pieces you keep. Xander? Trade. JBJ? He's replaceable. Trade him. But you can absolutely reboot this entire farm system with players that have SIX years of control as opposed to having to pay JBJ and Xander top money when they aren't worth it. Paying Porcello that contract after this one. Pomeranz whatever he's going to want after next year. This team has zero shot at a ring next year so why not cash in on players who are going to be free agents soon? You want Kimbrel back after 2018? Do what the Yankees did with Chapman and sign him back. Price Hanley and Pedroia can be had for international spending pool money for all I care. You do know that Pedroia is a 10-5 guy and can't be traded without his permission, right? And the team has 0 shot next year? Really. They won 93 games, had underperformances from a lot of players, will likely upgrade either the DH/1b position and have a staff headed by Sale, Price, and Pomeranz with Kimbrel heading the bullpen. Yeah, they totally suck. It's amazing - you get the yahoos who can't understand a scenario in which the Red Sox don't win 100 games in the upcoming season (the same yahoos who couldn't see how the Patriots could actually lose a game this season). And then there's you on the opposite end of the spectrum. The Red Sox most certainly do have an excellent chance of making the post-season, and certainly a solid chance at making serious noise in the playoffs, and they could even win it all if everything breaks right for them. The 2013 Red Sox didn't look nearly this good! Your pronouncement that the Red Sox have 0% chance is asinine. And you want to rebuild(destroy) this team but keep Sale and Betts? Why? So the Red Sox can win 75 games and not get the best returns on their most valuable players? If you're going to blow it up you go all the way, and doing so when the Sox clearly have 2 if not 3 years of having a realistically solid shot of winning the Championship, is absolutely moronic. What good is it if you waste Mookie's or Sale's best years when it doesn't matter, watch him leave for little or nothing, and then have some kids coming up who by time they come wish they had a Sale or Mookie available to them in their prime. And YOU complain about Dombrowski as GM? Sheesh. |
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Post by kungfuizzy on Nov 30, 2017 13:58:00 GMT -5
The reason the Red Sox don't have a Torres and Frazier on the farm is because Benintendi and Devers shot through the minor leagues so fast. Understood, but what happens when Xander bolts or gets overpaid? JBJ in 2020? Not to mention all of the other players coming up? Can we agree that the Red Sox will not win the World Series next year? So why not at least trade the guys you know are going to test the market like Pomeranz Xander and Kimbrel? JBJ is going to be an awful contract for whoever gives it to him in a couple years. Take one step backward to take two forward. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 30, 2017 13:58:29 GMT -5
The Yankees traded two relievers, one of whom had an expiring contract and they resigned later, their catcher who was relegated to backup duties when surpassed by Gary Sanchez, and their part-time DH. They did this at the trading deadline of season in which they were under .500. They're also worse than the Red Sox, and older. I disagree with them being worse than Boston. Yankees have an excellent core, not to mention they have Torres and Frazier in the farm (Both acquired for those two relievers). Sox really have no one even close to that in their system. Miller and Chapman are big time players. Lets not kid ourselves and make it seem like they traded Adam Warren. After 2018 Xander and JBJ become pricey. Xander gets his 150 and JBJ gets closer to his free agency payday. Years of control comes into play too. The Yankees didn't trade those guys in 2016 before the season - they traded them during the season in which it was obvious they were going nowhere. Why the hell would the Sox trade Kimbrel when it's NOT obvious that they aren't going anywhere? If the Sox are mediocre by July 31st with little hope of doing much damage even if they made the playoffs, then yeah, trading Kimbrel for a Torres prospect would be brilliant. But trading him before the season and writing it off would be idiotic. |
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Post by nonothing on Nov 30, 2017 14:00:20 GMT -5
I think he meant they were worse when they did that.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 30, 2017 14:00:58 GMT -5
The reason the Red Sox don't have a Torres and Frazier on the farm is because Benintendi and Devers shot through the minor leagues so fast. Understood, but what happens when Xander bolts or gets overpaid? JBJ in 2020? Not to mention all of the other players coming up? Can we agree that the Red Sox will not win the World Series next year? So why not at least trade the guys you know are going to test the market like Pomeranz Xander and Kimbrel? JBJ is going to be an awful contract for whoever gives it to him in a couple years. Take one step backward to take two forward. Most likely they won't win the World Series. The odds are 1 out of 30 for each team so for each team the answer is they will not likely win the World Series. Do the Red Sox have a decent to good shot (as good as just about everybody else) to win the Series in 2018? If Dombrowski does a good job this offseason and/or the team plays well, the answer is Yes, and I doubt you'd find anybody here that agrees with you that 2018 is already a lost cause. Nobody is guaranteed a World Championship before the season. |
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Post by nonothing on Nov 30, 2017 14:03:48 GMT -5
Understood, but what happens when Xander bolts or gets overpaid? JBJ in 2020? Not to mention all of the other players coming up? Can we agree that the Red Sox will not win the World Series next year? So why not at least trade the guys you know are going to test the market like Pomeranz Xander and Kimbrel? JBJ is going to be an awful contract for whoever gives it to him in a couple years. Take one step backward to take two forward. Most likely they won't win the World Series. The odds are 1 out of 30 for each team so for each team the answer is they will not likely win the World Series. Do the Red Sox have a decent to good shot (as good as just about everybody else) to win the Series in 2018? If Dombrowski does a good job this offseason and/or the team plays well, the answer is Yes, and I doubt you'd find anybody here that agrees with you that 2018 is already a lost cause. Nobody is guaranteed a World Championship before the season. Ok, just because I have to comment on the math here -- it is not true that each team has a 1 in 30 chance of winning the World Series each year. There are teams who are literally trying to lose each year, and those do not have the same chance as the Astros or the Dodgers or even the Cubs or Nats or Red Sox or Yankees. That is just not real math. The quality of players on your roster and other factors do give some teams a better chance of winning before the season starts. That is why the odds at Vegas are not even for all teams at the beginning of each year. |
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Post by kungfuizzy on Nov 30, 2017 14:07:27 GMT -5
Hell no. I want a potentially homegrown team that can win multiple titles. You can't tell me that the team as constructed right now can do that. They won two division titles. Great. Raise the banners. 2016 and 2017 AL East Champions. The Yankees from going backwards in 2016 will be able to raise AL East banners from 2018-2024 and 1 or 2 WS ones potentially. Why? Because they hit the reset button. As for JimEd your question of why you don't trade Mookie is very simple. You still need top end talent. He's an MVP candidate and Sale is a Cy Young candidate on a yearly basis. Those pieces you keep. Xander? Trade. JBJ? He's replaceable. Trade him. But you can absolutely reboot this entire farm system with players that have SIX years of control as opposed to having to pay JBJ and Xander top money when they aren't worth it. Paying Porcello that contract after this one. Pomeranz whatever he's going to want after next year. This team has zero shot at a ring next year so why not cash in on players who are going to be free agents soon? You want Kimbrel back after 2018? Do what the Yankees did with Chapman and sign him back. Price Hanley and Pedroia can be had for international spending pool money for all I care. You do know that Pedroia is a 10-5 guy and can't be traded without his permission, right? And the team has 0 shot next year? Really. They won 93 games, had underperformances from a lot of players, will likely upgrade either the DH/1b position and have a staff headed by Sale, Price, and Pomeranz with Kimbrel heading the bullpen. Yeah, they totally suck. It's amazing - you get the yahoos who can't understand a scenario in which the Red Sox don't win 100 games in the upcoming season (the same yahoos who couldn't see how the Patriots could actually lose a game this season). And then there's you on the opposite end of the spectrum. The Red Sox most certainly do have an excellent chance of making the post-season, and certainly a solid chance at making serious noise in the playoffs, and they could even win it all if everything breaks right for them. The 2013 Red Sox didn't look nearly this good! Your pronouncement that the Red Sox have 0% chance is asinine. And you want to rebuild(destroy) this team but keep Sale and Betts? Why? So the Red Sox can win 75 games and not get the best returns on their most valuable players? If you're going to blow it up you go all the way, and doing so when the Sox clearly have 2 if not 3 years of having a realistically solid shot of winning the Championship, is absolutely moronic. What good is it if you waste Mookie's or Sale's best years when it doesn't matter, watch him leave for little or nothing, and then have some kids coming up who by time they come wish they had a Sale or Mookie available to them in their prime. And YOU complain about Dombrowski as GM? Sheesh. A few points -The Sox have ZERO chance. Did you not just see the team that won the WS? A home grown monster. Kuechel, Altuve Springer, Correa, Bregman, Verlander. The Sox cannot touch that. Yes they got "closer" this year. -The 2013 Sox was a team that I love and cherish but that was the one and a million team that got insanely lucky. They had no business making the playoffs let alone winning it all. We all know that. -Pedroia has his 10-5 rights but guys wave those all the time to go to a better situation. I'm not saying cut him because I think Pedey can still be a semi productive player but he really has no future here. Better to give him a shot elsewhere. -Wasting Betts and Sale's prime would be giving them a situation where they actually become better off in the long run? They aren't going anywhere with this roster. What do the Sox gain from letting Kimbrel Xander and Pomeranz walk next year? Or worse how about overpaying them? Then the player turns from an asset to a net negative. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 30, 2017 14:14:10 GMT -5
You do know that Pedroia is a 10-5 guy and can't be traded without his permission, right? And the team has 0 shot next year? Really. They won 93 games, had underperformances from a lot of players, will likely upgrade either the DH/1b position and have a staff headed by Sale, Price, and Pomeranz with Kimbrel heading the bullpen. Yeah, they totally suck. It's amazing - you get the yahoos who can't understand a scenario in which the Red Sox don't win 100 games in the upcoming season (the same yahoos who couldn't see how the Patriots could actually lose a game this season). And then there's you on the opposite end of the spectrum. The Red Sox most certainly do have an excellent chance of making the post-season, and certainly a solid chance at making serious noise in the playoffs, and they could even win it all if everything breaks right for them. The 2013 Red Sox didn't look nearly this good! Your pronouncement that the Red Sox have 0% chance is asinine. And you want to rebuild(destroy) this team but keep Sale and Betts? Why? So the Red Sox can win 75 games and not get the best returns on their most valuable players? If you're going to blow it up you go all the way, and doing so when the Sox clearly have 2 if not 3 years of having a realistically solid shot of winning the Championship, is absolutely moronic. What good is it if you waste Mookie's or Sale's best years when it doesn't matter, watch him leave for little or nothing, and then have some kids coming up who by time they come wish they had a Sale or Mookie available to them in their prime. And YOU complain about Dombrowski as GM? Sheesh. A few points -The Sox have ZERO chance. Did you not just see the team that won the WS? A home grown monster. Kuechel, Altuve Springer, Correa, Bregman, Verlander. The Sox cannot touch that. Yes they got "closer" this year. -The 2013 Sox was a team that I love and cherish but that was the one and a million team that got insanely lucky. They had no business making the playoffs let alone winning it all. We all know that. -Pedroia has his 10-5 rights but guys wave those all the time to go to a better situation. I'm not saying cut him because I think Pedey can still be a semi productive player but he really has no future here. Better to give him a shot elsewhere. -Wasting Betts and Sale's prime would be giving them a situation where they actually become better off in the long run? They aren't going anywhere with this roster. What do the Sox gain from letting Kimbrel Xander and Pomeranz walk next year? Or worse how about overpaying them? Then the player turns from an asset to a net negative. That is one of the most pessimistic takes I have seen in a long time on the Red Sox, is that you Dan Shaughnessy? The Sox certainly can "touch" that team, you realize this is baseball and all it takes is a team getting hot at the right time to make a run? I see no reason to think that the Sox miss out on the playoffs and once that happens it becomes a relative toss up. It is absolutely ridiculous for you to say this roster is going nowhere. You don't even know what moves they are going to make this offseason to bolster an already solid core. If Price can be healthy for the whole season, Benny gets a little better, Mookie has a year closer to 2016 than 2017 and Xandy ever finds any consistency this team could go places. Yes that is a lot of ifs but at the end of the day to me that is what baseball is. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 30, 2017 14:15:55 GMT -5
Well this escalated quickly.
The Sox aren't blowing up the team. Just enjoy the ride and hope they get two good bats this off-season.
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Post by 07redsox on Nov 30, 2017 14:26:44 GMT -5
You do know that Pedroia is a 10-5 guy and can't be traded without his permission, right? And the team has 0 shot next year? Really. They won 93 games, had underperformances from a lot of players, will likely upgrade either the DH/1b position and have a staff headed by Sale, Price, and Pomeranz with Kimbrel heading the bullpen. Yeah, they totally suck. It's amazing - you get the yahoos who can't understand a scenario in which the Red Sox don't win 100 games in the upcoming season (the same yahoos who couldn't see how the Patriots could actually lose a game this season). And then there's you on the opposite end of the spectrum. The Red Sox most certainly do have an excellent chance of making the post-season, and certainly a solid chance at making serious noise in the playoffs, and they could even win it all if everything breaks right for them. The 2013 Red Sox didn't look nearly this good! Your pronouncement that the Red Sox have 0% chance is asinine. And you want to rebuild(destroy) this team but keep Sale and Betts? Why? So the Red Sox can win 75 games and not get the best returns on their most valuable players? If you're going to blow it up you go all the way, and doing so when the Sox clearly have 2 if not 3 years of having a realistically solid shot of winning the Championship, is absolutely moronic. What good is it if you waste Mookie's or Sale's best years when it doesn't matter, watch him leave for little or nothing, and then have some kids coming up who by time they come wish they had a Sale or Mookie available to them in their prime. And YOU complain about Dombrowski as GM? Sheesh. A few points -The Sox have ZERO chance. Did you not just see the team that won the WS? A home grown monster. Kuechel, Altuve Springer, Correa, Bregman, Verlander. The Sox cannot touch that. Yes they got "closer" this year. -The 2013 Sox was a team that I love and cherish but that was the one and a million team that got insanely lucky. They had no business making the playoffs let alone winning it all. We all know that. -Pedroia has his 10-5 rights but guys wave those all the time to go to a better situation. I'm not saying cut him because I think Pedey can still be a semi productive player but he really has no future here. Better to give him a shot elsewhere. -Wasting Betts and Sale's prime would be giving them a situation where they actually become better off in the long run? They aren't going anywhere with this roster. What do the Sox gain from letting Kimbrel Xander and Pomeranz walk next year? Or worse how about overpaying them? Then the player turns from an asset to a net negative. You mean they can't touch the team they got a couple outs from forcing a winner-take-all game 5 in the ALDS? I understand when some people take a more pessimistic view on things, but this is just going way overboard entirely. Once you make the playoffs anything can happen. To say that this team has zero chance of winning the WS is insane. Can they make the playoffs? They most certainly can, which means they definitely have a chance of winning. The Astros are obviously a great team, but anything can happen in a long series like the playoffs. On top of that, there is a chance that really anything can happen in sports. Can the Padres win the WS next year? It would be highly unlikely, but if things break right and many of there players improve over last year than sure they have a chance. There is almost never a 0% chance before the season actually begins because you have absolutely no idea what is truly going to occur. You asserting that there is zero chance as of this moments doesn't help your point, it only makes it look like you are trolling. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 30, 2017 14:38:40 GMT -5
Moved this bit of insanity to its own thread. Tempted to move it off the main forum but leaving it for now.
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Post by kungfuizzy on Nov 30, 2017 14:41:26 GMT -5
A few points -The Sox have ZERO chance. Did you not just see the team that won the WS? A home grown monster. Kuechel, Altuve Springer, Correa, Bregman, Verlander. The Sox cannot touch that. Yes they got "closer" this year. -The 2013 Sox was a team that I love and cherish but that was the one and a million team that got insanely lucky. They had no business making the playoffs let alone winning it all. We all know that. -Pedroia has his 10-5 rights but guys wave those all the time to go to a better situation. I'm not saying cut him because I think Pedey can still be a semi productive player but he really has no future here. Better to give him a shot elsewhere. -Wasting Betts and Sale's prime would be giving them a situation where they actually become better off in the long run? They aren't going anywhere with this roster. What do the Sox gain from letting Kimbrel Xander and Pomeranz walk next year? Or worse how about overpaying them? Then the player turns from an asset to a net negative. You mean they can't touch the team they got a couple outs from forcing a winner-take-all game 5 in the ALDS? I understand when some people take a more pessimistic view on things, but this is just going way overboard entirely. Once you make the playoffs anything can happen. To say that this team has zero chance of winning the WS is insane. Can they make the playoffs? They most certainly can, which means they definitely have a chance of winning. The Astros are obviously a great team, but anything can happen in a long series like the playoffs. On top of that, there is a chance that really anything can happen in sports. Can the Padres win the WS next year? It would be highly unlikely, but if things break right and many of there players improve over last year than sure they have a chance. There is almost never a 0% chance before the season actually begins because you have absolutely no idea what is truly going to occur. You asserting that there is zero chance as of this moments doesn't help your point, it only makes it look like you are trolling. They can make the playoffs. Not questioning that. But there is legitimately zero chance they can make the World Series. They just don't have the horses. Seriously, who do you consider untradeable on this team? Sale, Betts, Benny, and Devers. I just gave you 5 or 6 players from the Astros alone. Cleveland you have more of the same issues. Yankees are going to be there if they aren't already the prospects they have are too damn good not to be. Thats two or three teams right there ahead of you in the American League. Sure a couple of bounces and yes the Sox would have forced Game 5. But can you ever truly say you watched that series and expected the Sox to win? The answer is no. The one outlier is Anaheim. If they can get actual players around Trout who is the best player in baseball then they don't need the core the Astros or Cleveland has in the American League. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 30, 2017 14:48:06 GMT -5
The reason the Red Sox don't have a Torres and Frazier on the farm is because Benintendi and Devers shot through the minor leagues so fast. Understood, but what happens when Xander bolts or gets overpaid? JBJ in 2020? Not to mention all of the other players coming up? Can we agree that the Red Sox will not win the World Series next year? So why not at least trade the guys you know are going to test the market like Pomeranz Xander and Kimbrel? JBJ is going to be an awful contract for whoever gives it to him in a couple years. Take one step backward to take two forward. 1) Give him a QO and receive draft pick compensation. 2) See 1) 3) No really though, it's ok if guys leave as free agents sometimes. It happens. 4) You are unrealistically pessimistic, my friend. Rather than the broad generalities of saying this team has no chance, let me ask you to provide this: In what specific ways do you expect last year's 93-win team to get WORSE this coming season? Because I can point to at least three major ways you can expect them to be better this year: starter at 3B is now a competent major league baseball player; David Price, in theory, pitches more than 1/3 of a season; team will acquire a middle-of-the-order hitter for 1B/DH. I'd also say it's fair to speculate that Bogaerts, now healthy, will be much better. Maybe make that 2a along with the Price thing, since his health is uncertain. So again, I ask - how is last year's 93-win team any WORSE in 2018? They lost no significant free agents and can be expected to have better health after an unlucky year on that front. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 30, 2017 14:57:36 GMT -5
You mean they can't touch the team they got a couple outs from forcing a winner-take-all game 5 in the ALDS? I understand when some people take a more pessimistic view on things, but this is just going way overboard entirely. Once you make the playoffs anything can happen. To say that this team has zero chance of winning the WS is insane. Can they make the playoffs? They most certainly can, which means they definitely have a chance of winning. The Astros are obviously a great team, but anything can happen in a long series like the playoffs. On top of that, there is a chance that really anything can happen in sports. Can the Padres win the WS next year? It would be highly unlikely, but if things break right and many of there players improve over last year than sure they have a chance. There is almost never a 0% chance before the season actually begins because you have absolutely no idea what is truly going to occur. You asserting that there is zero chance as of this moments doesn't help your point, it only makes it look like you are trolling. They can make the playoffs. Not questioning that. But there is legitimately zero chance they can make the World Series. They just don't have the horses. Seriously, who do you consider untradeable on this team? Sale, Betts, Benny, and Devers. I just gave you 5 or 6 players from the Astros alone. Cleveland you have more of the same issues. Yankees are going to be there if they aren't already the prospects they have are too damn good not to be. Thats two or three teams right there ahead of you in the American League. Sure a couple of bounces and yes the Sox would have forced Game 5. But can you ever truly say you watched that series and expected the Sox to win? The answer is no. The one outlier is Anaheim. If they can get actual players around Trout who is the best player in baseball then they don't need the core the Astros or Cleveland has in the American League. We don't have the horses? Really? This team is filled with them and DD is going to add one or two more bats. If this team stays relatively healthy they are as talented a team as there is in Baseball. You could easily have the best rotation in Baseball. We have Pomeranz, Porcello and ERod as the backend of our rotation. We will have a full year of Devers. |
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 30, 2017 15:01:51 GMT -5
If a team doesn’t win the World Series, can you honestly say you got no enjoyment at all from watching them for the entire season? I don’t think baseball is right for you if that’s the case.
I really enjoyed the last two seasons, especially watching the kids blossom and struggle and figure things out and I’m counting on enjoying at least 2-3 more years under a smart young manager. I think it’s more likely that I win the next two PowerBalls than the Red Sox have thought about blowing the team up for more than two seconds.
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