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Post by jdb on Dec 19, 2017 10:36:34 GMT -5
I like the resigning of Moreland yesterday but the feeling I get is another shoe is about to drop. I want JDM but don't want to trade Bradley JR to open the line up.(could get behind it though) That leaves Hamley and a near immovable contract but if the Braves and LAD can swap those contracts why not?
A few starters have some bad contracts that could be more valuable to us as a 6th starter and the ability to keep guys fresh like the Dodgers did. We need Sale strong in Sept-Oct. Would Jordan Zimmermas 3 yrs at $22 AAV work? Ian Kennedy with $49M left? Anybody else?wWould Alex Gordan and his two more years left be better playing the OF corners than Hanley only able to play 1B on limited days?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 19, 2017 11:04:24 GMT -5
I like the resigning of Moreland yesterday but the feeling I get is another shoe is about to drop. I want JDM but don't want to trade Bradley JR to open the line up.(could get behind it though) That leaves Hamley and a near immovable contract but if the Braves and LAD can swap those contracts why not? A few starters have some bad contracts that could be more valuable to us as a 6th starter and the ability to keep guys fresh like the Dodgers did. We need Sale strong in Sept-Oct. Would Jordan Zimmermas 3 yrs at $22 AAV work? Ian Kennedy with $49M left? Anybody else?wWould Alex Gordan and his two more years left be better playing the OF corners than Hanley only able to play 1B on limited days? No thank you. Hanley's contract is thru this year. I wouldn't want a guy making the same $ whose contract goes additional years. That means payroll that could have been freed would be wasted on a salary dump. I'd almost rather trade JBJ because they could get a lot of value for him, but they would mess up that OF defense. So the Sox would need to be overwhelmed to make it worth their while. And I still believe they need Hanley's bat. A healthy Hanley can rake. |
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Post by telson13 on Dec 19, 2017 23:19:36 GMT -5
Even if they do sign JDM, there’s no requirement to trade JBJ. A major (dual) benefit of Martinez as a DH/4th OF is that they can spell the LF occasionally and move the OFers as needed (AB to CF if JBJ needs a day off, JBJ to RF and AB to CF if Mookie needs a day off, etc.), and it basically prevents Hanley’s option from vesting, but keeps him as a viable 1b option and a 3b catastrophe option. As Eric has stated, it also improves the top bench bat from Brentz to Hanley, which is likely a sizable improvement. Championship teams have outstanding benches; keeping Jackie gives them that, with flexibility.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 19, 2017 23:36:44 GMT -5
Points for a good discussion starter. Trading Ramirez for another bad contract probably won't happen, but it's kind of a fun thought experiment. If the team were to do it, it would probably be for a) a player signed only for 2018 at a very similar contract, b) a guy signed for a bit less money annually but for more years, or c) someone who they think they either is likely to bounce back or is fixable.
There aren't a ton of players who fit the profile right now. I can't see Jordan Zimmermann, for example, given that the AAV is higher than Hanley and there's a really good chance that he's just toast. The two guys I can squint and maybe see something would be Jeff Samardzija or Mike Leake. Leake doesn't have a ton of downside since he is durable and has good control, they'd get a few million $ in savings this year, and he really could help stabilize the rotation if they're worried about the quality of innings on the back end. Samardzija is riskier, but has the upside of being a strong #3/weak #2 type. He also seems to me to profile as someone who really would play up in the bullpen, especially if multi-inning relievers are going to start becoming a thing again.
I don't think either is realistic or even a good idea, but I could see the process.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 20, 2017 9:23:23 GMT -5
Is there injury risk with JD? Is there injury risk with Hanley? Is there injury risk for all the players that those 2 could back up as a 4th OFer or 1st baseman? Is there a good reason to keep Hanleys at bats down below 500? Should MM be platooned with a right handed batter? During a 162 game season does it make sense to give guys a break on a regular basis? The answer to all those questions is a resounding YES!!
Hence you sign JD, keep Hanley and JBJ. No trade needs to occur. The talk of not having a strong farm system with players ready to step up right now is alleviated by having a really strong and deep 25 man roster. The Sox should still have enough guys like Hernandez, Marrero, Holt, Brentz and Swihart to step in if needed.
Can the Sox add Nunez for a reasonable amount also? What will it take to sign him?
Starting to think that JD is the perfect replacement for Ortiz and that he could be really productive for the duration of a 5/6 year deal. I don't like a 25m AAV much and really hate that it could be more than that but the Sox have a window and this might just be the key to maximizing that. Only time will tell, we shall see.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 20, 2017 14:05:27 GMT -5
I have to say I agree. You don't trade Hanley because you signed Moreland. You might have traded him if you signed both Martinez and Hosmer.
Can they sign Nunez? Sure, they are rumored to still be in on him. This market is the slowest I can remember. Moreland jumped at the Red Sox offer without even talking about playing time. It seems teams know most of the big market teams are having money issues and are waiting out the market for good deals. So you might be able to get Nunez for about what Moreland got 2 years 14-15 million, with some incentives. I jump at that.
Martinez, Moreland, Nunez and a LHR sounds like a great offseason. That creates great depth, actually awesome depth that we didn't have last year. If you wanted to go crazy I wonder about signing someone like Tillman to a one year deal. He was injured in 2016 and it carried over to 2017, but I would gamble on him. You can never have enough pitching and he seems like a pefect buy low type guy.
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Post by Coreno on Dec 20, 2017 17:59:44 GMT -5
Hanley to RedSox for 2016Hanley
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 20, 2017 18:00:00 GMT -5
Yup, if they bring in both Hosmer and JD then you probably look to move Hanley but that is a losing proposition that they can now avoid.
Sign JD and Nunez then if they can get a LHR that is all they need. Along with guys doing what they are capable of doing of course.
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Post by nonothing on Dec 20, 2017 21:06:08 GMT -5
Fun Idea, but Hanley's deal is not that bad given it is only one year, and they can very reasonably control the option. I would bet on Hanley over the other people you mentioned to be productive. I would not be surprised to see him unload at low .280s AVG .350s to .370s OBP and 28-32 HRs. If he is healthy, we will be happy we have Hanley.
I often wonder if people think David Ortiz is stupid. Hanley is the guy he had faith would hit in the playoffs, and he did. People on here know hitters better than David Ortiz? Hanley is very likely to be good this coming year at the plate. So I say sit back and watch the show on him. Nobody is going to pay his deal, but I bet he earns his money in a potential walk year. Ballplayers have a funny way of doing that.
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