giltg
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Post by giltg on Feb 10, 2018 20:19:15 GMT -5
www.spotrac.com/mlb/valuation/Here's chart that breaks down players trade values . Since I've been on this Forum I have unsuccessfully discussed proposed trades on the trade sub forum. I now understand what everyone was saying.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 11, 2018 0:52:33 GMT -5
www.spotrac.com/mlb/valuation/Here's chart that breaks down players trade values . Since I've been on this Forum I have unsuccessfully discussed proposed trades on the trade sub forum. I now understand what everyone was saying. This is a neat sheet, although I can't find the methodology. But I don't believe this represents trade value as it appears to only account for the most recent season's value to cost. A true trade valuation needs to account for expected future production, years of control and contract costs. Here's a pretty good one that fangraphs puts together each year: www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-trade-value-1-to-10/ |
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Post by webster7777 on Feb 11, 2018 2:24:24 GMT -5
I like that better. I wish I knew which formula each team uses to evaluate each player and which one is the most accurate.
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Post by giltg on Feb 11, 2018 15:17:48 GMT -5
I understand where all the formulas and calculations and numbers and all that come into play or should I say I have a better understanding.But what I believe happens at the end of the day when a team is trying to decide what the value of a player is it comes down to the need of the team. Like the Red Sox for instance right now they value power and that takes a greater value than maybe defense or relief pitching . So they may overvalue the need for power and trade a JBJ and the relief pitcher to acquire a power bat maybe Abreu or a Braun . I don't think when a need is his big as what the Red Sox are looking for right now the numbers formulas and calculations come into play.Then there's the free agent value of a player who has a draft pick compensation added to him how is that figured out? To me if the player is one of the best you give up that second round draft choice to sign him because it will take at least three to five years to develop that draft choice.Now I've been wrong on this subject for a while now but that's why I started this thread to have discussions and graphs and calculations and formulas to be presented to show how this system works.So let it begin.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 11, 2018 16:30:01 GMT -5
I understand where all the formulas and calculations and numbers and all that come into play or should I say I have a better understanding.But what I believe happens at the end of the day when a team is trying to decide what the value of a player is it comes down to the need of the team. Like the Red Sox for instance right now they value power and that takes a greater value than maybe defense or relief pitching . So they may overvalue the need for power and trade a JBJ and the relief pitcher to acquire a power bat maybe Abreu or a Braun . I don't think when a need is his big as what the Red Sox are looking for right now the numbers formulas and calculations come into play.Then there's the free agent value of a player who has a draft pick compensation added to him how is that figured out? To me if the player is one of the best you give up that second round draft choice to sign him because it will take at least three to five years to develop that draft choice.Now I've been wrong on this subject for a while now but that's why I started this thread to have discussions and graphs and calculations and formulas to be presented to show how this system works.So let it begin. Unfortunately there isn't a perfect, or fail proof system for draft pick or prospect valuations, but the links below should give you an idea. Hopefully every GM accounts for the value of the draft pick when making a signing to a player offered arbitration. (If they don't, it's probably because they are trying to save their job in the short term) www.thepointofpittsburgh.com/mlb-prospect-surplus-values-2016-updated-edition/www.fangraphs.com/tht/the-net-value-of-draft-picks/www.fangraphs.com/blogs/valuing-the-2017-top-100-prospects/www.fangraphs.com/community/how-valuable-is-a-first-round-draft-pick/Keep in mind, as free agents have become more expensive the value of prospects/draft picks had increased. If the market trend for free agents reverses itself, we can expect the same with prospects and draft picks. (more recent articles should show higher valuations of prospects and picks) |
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Post by giltg on Feb 12, 2018 15:05:54 GMT -5
Let's start with the spotrac link where they put a total value on the player.
#17 Mookie Betts 95.82 total value
#63 Andrew Benintendi 74.66
#102 Eduardo Nunez 58.17
#109 Xander Bogaerts 54.67
#122 Jackie Bradley Jr 40 9.25
#126 Mitch Moreland 46.84
#179 Dustin Pedroia 32.84
#179 Christian Vazquez 30.48
#222 Rajai Davis 16.03
#239 Hanley Ramirez 11.45
Rafael Devers did not qualify
Other top players rank and value by position
#1 Aaron Judge RF 99.97
#2 Jose Altuve 2B 99.72
#3 Mike Trout CF 99.69
#5 Tommy Pham LF 99.20
#6 Paul Goldschmidt 1B 98.98
#8 Carlos Correa SS 98.79
#9 Kris Bryant 3B 98.73
#12 J D Martinez RF 97.21
#28 Gary Sanchez C 91.33
Players value closer to current Red Sox
#181 Yan Gomes C 29.52
#121 Lucas Duda 1B 49.25
#177 Logan Forsythe 2B 31.30
#107 Tim Beckham SS 55.26
#16 Bryce Harper RF 96.63
#120 Manuel Margot CF 50.25
#64 Brett Gardner LF 74.39
#240 Mark Trumbo DH 11.33
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