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Post by jimed14 on Feb 21, 2018 18:00:15 GMT -5
Jacoby Ellsbury is a pretty common comparison for Brannen’s game and he’s 6-1, 195 lbs. I'd be shocked if Brannen can't put 10-15 pounds on from age 19 to age 22-23.
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Post by giltg on Feb 21, 2018 20:56:51 GMT -5
I used SoxProspects where Benintendi is listed at 5'10" 180lb and Brannen at 6'1" 185lb. OK, but even if those were the numbers, I'd say being 3 inches taller and only 5 pounds heavier would mean that they are not the same build. What I said was it looks like they have the same build. Arms look the same size upper body same size not much build in their legs.
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Post by giltg on Feb 21, 2018 21:49:26 GMT -5
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Post by giltg on Feb 22, 2018 7:00:38 GMT -5
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Post by sarasoxer on Feb 22, 2018 7:35:40 GMT -5
I saw Brannen 3-4 times in the GCL last year and he did not stand out for me. I don't recall any balls hit with particular authority and he didn't have a strong looking build. My first impression sss, youth and all was that of a lithe, defensive guy....4th, 5th outfielder type...if he makes it. I would imagine 5 HRs or so. For old timers...a Rick Miller type.
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Post by giltg on Feb 22, 2018 7:56:28 GMT -5
I saw Brannen 3-4 times in the GCL last year and he did not stand out for me. I don't recall any balls hit with particular authority and he didn't have a strong looking build. My first impression sss, youth and all was that of a lithe, defensive guy....4th, 5th outfielder type...if he makes it. I would imagine 5 HRs or so. For old timers...a Rick Miller type. Wow that's cool that you got to see him 3 or 4 times last year. I hope that your first impressions of him are not what we should expect from him. Maybe with the guidance of the major league club he might be able to develop that hit tool.How was his play in the field does he have a strong arm because I've seen conflicting reports that either is strong or just average.
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Post by sarasoxer on Feb 22, 2018 10:14:20 GMT -5
Thanks for asking. I don't recall Brannen's arm being exceptional....no oohs and aahs.....maybe more like Benintendi....certainly not JBJ like or Mookie. There were no tough plays presented in the field that I can remember. My overall impression was that he looked like an average guy at that level....but again it was limited exposure to him and his first taste of pro ball.
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Post by giltg on Feb 23, 2018 7:26:19 GMT -5
I'll definitely take the comp of Jacoby Ellsbury. Even if we get the yankee version of Ellsbury would be ok. Would prefer the 2011 version when Ellsbury finished second in MVP voting. But by the sounds of Brannen's speed he might be a 60 to 70 stolen base a season player.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 23, 2018 8:19:16 GMT -5
Maybe that's the perfect-world comp, but I'll note that Ellsbury was a really, really strong guy who had a true physical presence. Maybe he didn't look imposing since we were used to seeing him next to other major leaguers, but man.. Sarasoxer's note about how Brannen didn't stand out - there is nobody who would have said that about Ellsbury when he was in the low minors. He was physically so far ahead of everyone that even when he didn't play well he stood out.
Don't use that as a negative, necessarily, about Brannen. Ellsbury was a polished college player when he came into pro ball. Just because I don't love the comp right now doesn't mean Brannen can't get there.
Anyway, my biggest problem with Cole Brannen is that I keep wanting to call him Colt Brennan.
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Post by giltg on Feb 23, 2018 12:02:34 GMT -5
Maybe that's the perfect-world comp, but I'll note that Ellsbury was a really, really strong guy who had a true physical presence. Maybe he didn't look imposing since we were used to seeing him next to other major leaguers, but man.. Sarasoxer's note about how Brannen didn't stand out - there is nobody who would have said that about Ellsbury when he was in the low minors. He was physically so far ahead of everyone that even when he didn't play well he stood out. Don't use that as a negative, necessarily, about Brannen. Ellsbury was a polished college player when he came into pro ball. Just because I don't love the comp right now doesn't mean Brannen can't get there. Anyway, my biggest problem with Cole Brannen is that I keep wanting to call him Colt Brennan. Haha. I don't think anybody or anything could rain on this parade that I'm having for Cole Brannen right now. I think if he has lackluster season then okay but until then .I'm not putting a Ichiro Suzuki comp on Brannen but Suzuki never hit more than 15 home runs in one season in his career. Brannen just seems to be a good player to be following right now.
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Post by KB24 on Feb 23, 2018 12:34:44 GMT -5
giltg- Question for you because I haven't been able to decide yet based on the 21 of the 35 comments on this thread being attributed to you. Are you high on Brannen or not? Let us know please.
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Post by ramireja on Feb 23, 2018 12:34:59 GMT -5
I'll definitely take the comp of Jacoby Ellsbury. Even if we get the yankee version of Ellsbury would be ok. Would prefer the 2011 version when Ellsbury finished second in MVP voting. But by the sounds of Brannen's speed he might be a 60 to 70 stolen base a season player. This is definitely like a top 1-2% outcome for Brannen. Look, he's an intriguing prospect with upside, but we're a long ways from projecting his triple slash line and SB totals at the major league level. For a guy who literally had 3 XBH in 181 PAs last year, its best to temper expectations heading into the season. My hope is that his hamate affected his power/swing path last season, and that he'll make strength gains now that he's a full-time minor leaguer. That said, even fringe average power would be a welcomed outcome several years into his development.
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Post by giltg on Feb 23, 2018 12:51:15 GMT -5
I'll definitely take the comp of Jacoby Ellsbury. Even if we get the yankee version of Ellsbury would be ok. Would prefer the 2011 version when Ellsbury finished second in MVP voting. But by the sounds of Brannen's speed he might be a 60 to 70 stolen base a season player. This is definitely like a top 1-2% outcome for Brannen. Look, he's an intriguing prospect with upside, but we're a long ways from projecting his triple slash line and SB totals at the major league level. For a guy who literally had 3 XBH in 181 PAs last year, its best to temper expectations heading into the season. My hope is that his hamate affected his power/swing path last season, and that he'll make strength gains now that he's a full-time minor leaguer. That said, even fringe average power would be a welcomed outcome several years into his development. Hamate injury?
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Post by KB24 on Feb 23, 2018 12:54:47 GMT -5
This is definitely like a top 1-2% outcome for Brannen. Look, he's an intriguing prospect with upside, but we're a long ways from projecting his triple slash line and SB totals at the major league level. For a guy who literally had 3 XBH in 181 PAs last year, its best to temper expectations heading into the season. My hope is that his hamate affected his power/swing path last season, and that he'll make strength gains now that he's a full-time minor leaguer. That said, even fringe average power would be a welcomed outcome several years into his development. Hamate injury? www.overthemonster.com/2017/6/13/15789204/2017-mlb-draft-red-sox-cole-brannen-scouting-report
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Post by giltg on Feb 23, 2018 12:55:55 GMT -5
giltg- Question for you because I haven't been able to decide yet based on the 21 of the 35 comments on this thread being attributed to you. Are you high on Brannen or not? Let us know please. Abso F'in lutely Laddie. When your team drafts High School outfielder in the second round which they haven't done in years you get excited then when your favorite Red Sox website ranks him #7 even more so.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 23, 2018 13:31:35 GMT -5
giltg- Question for you because I haven't been able to decide yet based on the 21 of the 35 comments on this thread being attributed to you. Are you high on Brannen or not? Let us know please. Abso F'in lutely Laddie. When your team drafts High School outfielder in the second round which they haven't done in years you get excited then when your favorite Red Sox website ranks him #7 even more so. Keep in mind being in the top 7 doesn't exactly mean what it used to mean. It now means the system is relatively pretty thin. Between graduations and trades the system has thinned out a lot to the point where being #7 doesn't necessarily project greatness. It's obvious the kid has speed and can play defense. It's too early to tell about his bat. If they challenge him, will he hit, and how much power would he show? If they challenge him and he can't hit, then the walks probably go down. If they challenge him and he hits enough, he'll probably maintain the walks. Either way, it's still too early to tell, so while I find him intriguing, I'd say pump the brakes a bit. I hope one day he's in CF and he's an exciting player. It's doubtful he'll be ready to take over for JBJ when he becomes a FA - I'd say 2022, if he gets there at all, would be a more likely timetable projection for him.
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Post by borisman on Feb 23, 2018 13:37:49 GMT -5
No need to piss in the man's Cheerios.
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Post by ramireja on Feb 23, 2018 14:27:53 GMT -5
No need to piss in the man's Cheerios. Ha, thats fair....but have to push back a little on comparisons to a HOFer and an 80-grade MVP season. IMO, a Brett Gardner career would be like a top 5% percentile outcome. Don't get me wrong though, I'm excited to see how Brannen develops.
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Post by giltg on Feb 23, 2018 14:28:10 GMT -5
No need to piss in the man's Cheerios. You da man ,borisman. Thank you. But I got dis.
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Post by giltg on Feb 23, 2018 14:44:22 GMT -5
No need to piss in the man's Cheerios. Ha, thats fair....but have to push back a little on comparisons to a HOFer and an 80-grade MVP season. IMO, a Brett Gardner career would be like a top 5% percentile outcome. Don't get me wrong though, I'm excited to see how Brannen develops. What HOFer with an 80-grade MVP season did I comp Brannen to?
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 23, 2018 14:55:23 GMT -5
Ichiro Suzuki is a Hall of Famer who won an MVP and Jacoby Ellsbury's 2011 easily could have won an MVP award.
Nobody is denying you to get as excited as you want about Brannen. But, when you're on a message board and you throw out comps like that, people are going to tell you why they disagree. Don't take it personally or as a sign that people don't like the player. It's all part of the discussion.
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Post by jimoh on Feb 23, 2018 15:15:13 GMT -5
Interesting to read john Sickels' 2013 prospect retrospective on Ellsbury: www.minorleagueball.com/2013/12/5/5178944/jacoby-ellsbury-of-new-york-yankees-free-agent-red-soxI've added some asterisks: "He hit .317/.418/.432 in 35 games for Lowell in the New York-Penn League after signing, swiping 23 bases in 26 attempts, while posting a +28 percent OPS in a pitcher's league. I gave him a Grade B in the 2006 book. The main question for Ellsbury was how much *********power he would develop. Assigned to Class A Wilmington to begin 2006, Ellsbury hit .299/.379/.418 in that notorious pitcher's park, with 25 steals in 34 attempts over 61 games. Promoted to Double-A at midseason, he hit .308/.387/.434 with 16 steals in 15 games. His combination of speed, plate discipline, and contact hitting ability was highly impressive, and he drew good reviews for his defense as well. I gave him a Grade B+ in the 2007 book, slotting as the Number 21 hitting prospect. Projecting his major league future, I wrote "pencil him in as a .280/.350/.400****** hitter with 30-steal potential in the short run, escalating to something like .300/.380/.430****** at his peak." Ellsbury began 2007 with Double-A Portland, hitting a stunning .452/.518/.644 with eight steals in his first 17 games. Promoted to Triple-A Pawtucket, he hit .298/.360/.380 with 33 steals in 87 games. He ended the season in the majors, with a .353/.394/.509 mark in 33 games for Boston, swiping nine bases without being caught. Although he didn't show a lot of home run ******power, everything else was there, and I gave him a Grade A- in the 2008 book, ranking him as the Number Eight hitting prospect in baseball. His debut may have caused some unrealistic expectations, and some people actually seemed disappointed by his 2008 rookie season: he hit .280/.336/.394******* (close to my original prophecy from '07), though he led the American League with 50 steals and his defense helped push his WAR to 4.2. In 2009 he hit .301/.355/.415 with a league-leading 70 steals and a 2.4 WAR." "When he was a prospect, I was an optimist about Ellbury's power development, thinking that he could get into the 15-homer****** range with maturity. I never expected the 46 doubles, 32-homer outburst of 2011 and it seems unlikely to me that he will repeat that."
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Post by giltg on Feb 23, 2018 20:36:12 GMT -5
Maybe that's the perfect-world comp, but I'll note that Ellsbury was a really, really strong guy who had a true physical presence. Maybe he didn't look imposing since we were used to seeing him next to other major leaguers, but man.. Sarasoxer's note about how Brannen didn't stand out - there is nobody who would have said that about Ellsbury when he was in the low minors. He was physically so far ahead of everyone that even when he didn't play well he stood out. Don't use that as a negative, necessarily, about Brannen. Ellsbury was a polished college player when he came into pro ball. Just because I don't love the comp right now doesn't mean Brannen can't get there. Anyway, my biggest problem with Cole Brannen is that I keep wanting to call him Colt Brennan. Haha. I don't think anybody or anything could rain on this parade that I'm having for Cole Brannen right now. I think if he has lackluster season then okay but until then .I'm not putting a Ichiro Suzuki comp on Brannen but Suzuki never hit more than 15 home runs in one season in his career. Brannen just seems to be a good player to be following right now. If you look at the quote in this post nowhere do I put a comp of Ichiro Suzuki on Cole Brannen. The Ellsbury comp did not come for me. It was suggested that was a common comp for Brannen in a previous post. I said I could definitely go for the Ellsbury comp after researching and being satisfied with that. But the blame thrower needed to be pulled out and try to silence me. I know that I'm a little overzealous about Brannen but I'm the type of person that goes to a baseball game and thinks my team will win and not the opposite.
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Post by telson13 on Feb 23, 2018 22:53:44 GMT -5
I’ve seen 70 put on his speed, and that’s probably about right given his 6.18 60y (for reference, that’s 55 meters; the top national HS track sprinters typically run about 5.80-6.00, or 6.30-6.50 for the 60m which is the current distance used). So, even though he’s a baseball player, he’s just a few ticks behind truly elite (for humans his age, not just baseball players) speed. Track sprinters actually peak at 28-30, so I do think he’s got more speed to grow into. I’m not sure he’s a 50-steal threat (read about Herb Washington to see why), but it’s not unrealistic, either. I think that article underrates his hit tool (I don’t put much credence in the stint last year at all, it’s too small a sample); he has pop too and I’ll say again, could become a .270-.280/.350/.440 guy with 30+ SB and a RF-caliber arm in CF. I think he’s a great, great pick where they got him. True CF who has legit offensive upside.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 23, 2018 22:57:33 GMT -5
I’ve seen 70 put on his speed, and that’s probably about right given his 6.18 60y (for reference, that’s 55 meters; the top national HS track sprinters typically run about 5.80-6.00, or 6.30-6.50 for the 60m which is the current distance used). So, even though he’s a baseball player, he’s just a few ticks behind truly elite (for humans his age, not just baseball players) speed. Track sprinters actually peak at 28-30, so I do think he’s got more speed to grow into. I’m not sure he’s a 50-steal threat (read about Herb Washington to see why), but it’s not unrealistic, either. I think that article underrates his hit tool (I don’t put much credence in the stint last year at all, it’s too small a sample); he has pop too and I’ll say again, could become a .270-.280/.350/.440 guy with 30+ SB and a RF-caliber arm in CF. I think he’s a great, great pick where they got him. True CF who has legit offensive upside. OK, the two of you convinced me to be excited about him!
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