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4/10-4/12 Red Sox vs. Yankees Series Thread
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Post by radiohix on Apr 12, 2018 22:09:51 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 22:23:06 GMT -5
A lot to like from that series. Taking two out of three, two excellent pitching performances, scoring runs against all three of NYY’s top starters. Even in the loss there were some positives. They could have folded after being down 8-1, but decided to make a game out if it. Very encouraged by this team right now.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 12, 2018 22:24:57 GMT -5
A lot to like from that series. Taking two out of three, two excellent pitching performances, scoring runs against all three of NYY’s top starters. Even in the loss there were some positives. They could have folded after being down 8-1, but decided to make a game out if it. Very encouraged by this team right now. Yeah if it weren't for the injuries, it'd be near perfect.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 12, 2018 22:45:45 GMT -5
Game of your life Porcello. He was performing the same way two years ago during the CY season. He puts it on automatic and plows through the lineup inning after inning. You look up and the game's almost over.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 13, 2018 5:19:56 GMT -5
OH how I would love to see JBJ go on one of his epic runs of a month or so of crushing it. It would certainly help while Xander and maybe Hanley are out. After starting the Tuesday blowout 0/2, K, he was down to .107 / .194 / .179 on the season in 31 PA. When he lined the single to left in the 5th, it was such an unexpectedly good piece of hitting that you immediately had that thought. Well, beginning with that, he's 5/8, 2B, BB, HBP (.625 / .700 / .750). Fisher Exact Test odds on the BA split happening randomly across a uniform sample are 155 to 1. On OBP, .293 to 1. And yes, across the course of a season, among all players, you will see that kind of split at random. But we're not trolling for data here: we've observed what appears to be a marked change in the character of a variable, and when the sample sizes are small it can be helpful to know just how large the effect is statistically. English please. LOL, thank you for the positive analysis and as I said lets hope this is the JBJ we get for the next month plus. It is quite odd that he has this ability to hit like Barry bonds in his steroid fueled years and then just plain poorly much of the time. Yes players are streaky but he takes it to a whole different level. Although I do have to say he was hitting the ball hard just right at people before this streak started.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 13, 2018 9:49:39 GMT -5
The Red Sox stood up very well in that series. Porcello pitching as if it's 2016 is huge for this team. 2015 David Price, current day Chris Sale, 2017 Drew Pomeranz, and a maturing Eduardo Rodriguez would give the Sox the best quintet in baseball.
The Sox handled the Yankees very well, and even their loss was nothing to hang your head about. Had David Price's hand been normal, the Sox might very well have swept the Yankees.
Right now the Yanks are messed up a bit. Judge has hit well, Stanton is beginning to hit again, and Sanchez has broken out - at some point the Sox have to find a way to get that guy out - Sanchez just owns the Sox.
Sonny Gray was unimpressive. The Yankees really need to go out and get another starter or have some young starter come up and break through. I guess they'll be going after Fullmer real hard in a deal.
The Yankees will straighten out, but the Sox have a lot of good things going for them. I still think the Sox need to supplement the bullpen, find the new Addison Reed, or hope that Carson Smith eventually becomes Seattle Smith and hope that Thornburg can be what he was in Milwaukee. I don't like those odds nor do I believe in Barnes or Kelly, so they'll need to do something at some point, but beyond that this is a really talented Red Sox team that's doing things the right way. Hope they can stay healthy.
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Post by p23w on Apr 13, 2018 11:21:40 GMT -5
The Red Sox stood up very well in that series. Porcello pitching as if it's 2016 is huge for this team. 2015 David Price, current day Chris Sale, 2017 Drew Pomeranz, and a maturing Eduardo Rodriguez would give the Sox the best quintet in baseball. The Sox handled the Yankees very well, and even their loss was nothing to hang your head about. Had David Price's hand been normal, the Sox might very well have swept the Yankees. Right now the Yanks are messed up a bit. Judge has hit well, Stanton is beginning to hit again, and Sanchez has broken out - at some point the Sox have to find a way to get that guy out - Sanchez just owns the Sox. Sonny Gray was unimpressive. The Yankees really need to go out and get another starter or have some young starter come up and break through. I guess they'll be going after Fullmer real hard in a deal. The Yankees will straighten out, but the Sox have a lot of good things going for them. I still think the Sox need to supplement the bullpen, find the new Addison Reed, or hope that Carson Smith eventually becomes Seattle Smith and hope that Thornburg can be what he was in Milwaukee. I don't like those odds nor do I believe in Barnes or Kelly, so they'll need to do something at some point, but beyond that this is a really talented Red Sox team that's doing things the right way. Hope they can stay healthy. Agree the Sox stood well in this series. Sale was Sale and Pocatello was, well, as good as he gets. Price OTOH is of concern. It's a long season and he will get several chances against the Yankee line up, but at this point in time against that line up, I am skeptical. The Yankees (to this point) blew the off season by not signing a FA starter or trading from their well stocked farm system for one. Gray had a bad game and his defense let him down. I wouldn't right Sonny off just yet. IMHO it coulda' been a sweep if Benny starts the Tanaka game. I'm not gonna' second guess Cora but I sure did not care for his explanation regarding the second game line up changes. If the opponent was the Rays or the Tigers I wouldn't have cared, but against the Yankees and without Boegarts I don't want to rest a guy who has some of the best AB's on the team this early in the season.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Apr 13, 2018 12:00:11 GMT -5
The Red Sox stood up very well in that series. Porcello pitching as if it's 2016 is huge for this team. 2015 David Price, current day Chris Sale, 2017 Drew Pomeranz, and a maturing Eduardo Rodriguez would give the Sox the best quintet in baseball. The Sox handled the Yankees very well, and even their loss was nothing to hang your head about. Had David Price's hand been normal, the Sox might very well have swept the Yankees. Right now the Yanks are messed up a bit. Judge has hit well, Stanton is beginning to hit again, and Sanchez has broken out - at some point the Sox have to find a way to get that guy out - Sanchez just owns the Sox. Sonny Gray was unimpressive. The Yankees really need to go out and get another starter or have some young starter come up and break through. I guess they'll be going after Fullmer real hard in a deal. The Yankees will straighten out, but the Sox have a lot of good things going for them. I still think the Sox need to supplement the bullpen, find the new Addison Reed, or hope that Carson Smith eventually becomes Seattle Smith and hope that Thornburg can be what he was in Milwaukee. I don't like those odds nor do I believe in Barnes or Kelly, so they'll need to do something at some point, but beyond that this is a really talented Red Sox team that's doing things the right way. Hope they can stay healthy. Agree the Sox stood well in this series. Sale was Sale and Pocatello was, well, as good as he gets. Price OTOH is of concern. It's a long season and he will get several chances against the Yankee line up, but at this point in time against that line up, I am skeptical. The Yankees (to this point) blew the off season by not signing a FA starter or trading from their well stocked farm system for one. Gray had a bad game and his defense let him down. I wouldn't right Sonny off just yet. IMHO it coulda' been a sweep if Benny starts the Tanaka game. I'm not gonna' second guess Cora but I sure did not care for his explanation regarding the second game line up changes. If the opponent was the Rays or the Tigers I wouldn't have cared, but against the Yankees and without Boegarts I don't want to rest a guy who has some of the best AB's on the team this early in the season. Benny is a 4RUN Difference? Moreland went 1/3 with a bb. The guy who would have sat. OK Spongebob.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 13, 2018 13:20:14 GMT -5
After starting the Tuesday blowout 0/2, K, he was down to .107 / .194 / .179 on the season in 31 PA. When he lined the single to left in the 5th, it was such an unexpectedly good piece of hitting that you immediately had that thought. Well, beginning with that, he's 5/8, 2B, BB, HBP (.625 / .700 / .750). Fisher Exact Test odds on the BA split happening randomly across a uniform sample are 155 to 1. On OBP, .293 to 1. And yes, across the course of a season, among all players, you will see that kind of split at random. But we're not trolling for data here: we've observed what appears to be a marked change in the character of a variable, and when the sample sizes are small it can be helpful to know just how large the effect is statistically. English please. LOL, thank you for the positive analysis and as I said lets hope this is the JBJ we get for the next month plus. It is quite odd that he has this ability to hit like Barry bonds in his steroid fueled years and then just plain poorly much of the time. Yes players are streaky but he takes it to a whole different level. Although I do have to say he was hitting the ball hard just right at people before this streak started. The thing about streaky players is that they have the simplest form of upside you can imagine: all they have to do is learn to get out of their slumps quicker. The reason the Sox signed Carlos Pena in mid-August of '06 is that I had done an analysis of him the previous winter just before the Beckett / Lowell trade, when the plan was to move Youkilis back to 3B and get a 1B. I liked a former elite prospect named Adrian Gonzalez whom I was sure would be on the trading block, and, second best, Pena, who was JBJ-level streaky and whose slumps I thought could be shortened. He seemed to be trying to end them by trying to make more contact, but that just made things worse. He wasn't slumping because he was fanning too much, he was fanning more because he was slumping, i.e., his mechanics were screwed up. So altering your swing further was the worst thing he could do. Anyway, a year later we had him at the very end of the season. Theo really wanted to keep him on the 40-man but, since we had Hinske as a backup 1B, there was no room. He went to Tampa and had a season where he had a single slump of 8 games (which he ended against us, IIRC), and put up a 172 OPS versus his career 111, without having changed anything about his hitting. He never did that again, but when he put up a 129 the next year I verified that his hot hitting and cold hitting were still unchanged; the proportion had just shifted to a solid one instead of the ridiculous one of the year before. In theory, JBJ has that kind of upside. Even a mild shift in the proportion of hot stretches to slumps would boost his numbers very nicely. This is also the reason I wanted to keep Travis Shaw. This is an understudied aspect of hitting. All of Manny's year-to-year variation with the Sox was caused by variations in the length and, more importantly, the number of his slumps, which were always really obvious and which typically lasted 12 games. But he could have a down year if (for example) in addition to two 12-games slumps, he had an extra one of 18 games. The numbers go down without any change at all in hitting talent.
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Post by p23w on Apr 13, 2018 15:16:53 GMT -5
Agree the Sox stood well in this series. Sale was Sale and Pocatello was, well, as good as he gets. Price OTOH is of concern. It's a long season and he will get several chances against the Yankee line up, but at this point in time against that line up, I am skeptical. The Yankees (to this point) blew the off season by not signing a FA starter or trading from their well stocked farm system for one. Gray had a bad game and his defense let him down. I wouldn't right Sonny off just yet. IMHO it coulda' been a sweep if Benny starts the Tanaka game. I'm not gonna' second guess Cora but I sure did not care for his explanation regarding the second game line up changes. If the opponent was the Rays or the Tigers I wouldn't have cared, but against the Yankees and without Boegarts I don't want to rest a guy who has some of the best AB's on the team this early in the season. Benny is a 4RUN Difference? Moreland went 1/3 with a bb. The guy who would have sat. OK Spongebob. Benny has had some really good AB's early this season. Devers took his spot in the number 2 hole, numbnuts. Devers AB's (particularly swinging at Tanaka splitters in the dirt) cost them in that game. But hey why count just his offense? You actually ENJOY Martinez in LF against the Yankees? Enjoy Patrick.
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