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Post by honestlyabe on Apr 16, 2018 21:21:35 GMT -5
I really don't want to give up on Swihart, but the Mets are hurting for a catcher. Do they have anyone we might get more value out of? Hansel Robles is a target of mine for a silly reason (OOTP) and his improvement on BBs this season is very SSS but might be a realistic return? I can't really properly gauge Swihart's value - again, I prefer we keep him even though it's a weird situation.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 16, 2018 22:53:49 GMT -5
I really don't want to give up on Swihart, but the Mets are hurting for a catcher. Do they have anyone we might get more value out of? Hansel Robles is a target of mine for a silly reason (OOTP) and his improvement on BBs this season is very SSS but might be a realistic return? I can't really properly gauge Swihart's value - again, I prefer we keep him even though it's a weird situation. Agreed. I have a tough time thinking about this one, too. In the end, I think it’s really about return. I’m not enamored at all with the Mets’s system, and other than David Peterson, Ronny Mauricio, and Justin Dunn (formerly of BC), I just don’t see much useful floor/upside combos there. I think it would be a huge mistake to move Swihart for a reliever (the Sox’s recent trade history for “key” relievers is atrocious, from Bailey to Hanrahan to Smith and Thornburg). And I’m not sure the Mets, looking like contenders, would be so inclined anyway. I think the Sox would be much better served going the Addison Reed-style midseason acquisition/take on salary for middling prospects route. They’ve got a bunch of fungible middle-inning guys as is, and one or several could easily step up. The Sox also have no other pressing MLB-level need. So I’d prefer they trade from excess for prospects, which is the current organizational weakness. In that case, I’d much prefer they move Leon, who has some value as a quality defensive catcher. Idk if they could pry Dunn (sits 92-94, touches 96 with a potentially plus slider, developing CB/CH, low-mileage arm) away for Leon, but that would be my ideal situation. Dunn looks like a future mid-rotation starter, and he’s still 21, and will probably hit AA mid season if he continues pitching well. I know Leon is popular with the staff, so there’s risk. But Swihart is versatile and he can catch, and he’s always been a pretty solid hitter. He needs reps, and he’s someone whose value could really rocket up. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 17, 2018 0:35:48 GMT -5
I don't think you're getting Dunn for Leon.
Leon is a good backup catcher, but he's just that, a backup catcher. I don't think you're getting anything of value for Leon. Maybe a lottery ticket DSL player.
If the Mets were to trade a higher ceiling prospect like a Dunn for any catcher on the Sox, it'd be for a higher ceiling guy like Swihart I'd presume.
I don't think they'd do that though. I mean, if the Mets were going to trade high end prospects for a catcher, why wouldn't they just go all in and get Realmuto?
Realmuto was a top 30 or 40 player last year in terms of fWAR at one point and has been getting better each year. The Mets could use that in their short window to win now.
If the Mets didn't want to give up a entire system for a catcher, I threw out a prospect from the Mets system in Thomas Szapucki. At this point, he is a major risk injury wise to make a career out of himself, but he is exactly the kind of upside you're looking for in a arm. I would trade Swihart for a name like this. At this point, it's probably the best you can do for a Swihart and I don't see Swihart's upside at catcher ever coming in Boston. I don't see how he gets a chance if there's no injuries at the catching position in Leon and Vazquez.
Minus well try and get Swihart's upside with a trade that finds that somehow.
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Post by oilcan73 on Apr 17, 2018 1:32:42 GMT -5
I think the Sox would really prefer to hold onto Swihart and it appears DD likes him as a player. That being said, where do they play him in the future? He clearly will not be the starter at C or in the OF with our 3 current guys, and I don't see him hitting for enough power to play 1B or 3B. Is there any chance DD trades JBJ and moves Beninendi to CF full-time, making room for Swihart in LF? JBJ is not showing much offensively to this point and it appears that Benintendi would be a solid+ CF. DD could likely get more in return for JBJ and Swihart could end up being a better offensive player than JBJ and could be a nice LF as well. I love JBJ defensively, but if they really want to keep Swihart, this may be the way to go.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 17, 2018 2:43:04 GMT -5
Erm, JBJ just posted a offensive season in 2016 that Swihart might never reach in his *entire* career. JBJ is a really good and underrated offensive player, and his offensive ceiling is a little bit higher than Swihart's. That's just the truth of that matter.
If they were to trade JBJ in the future (like next off-season), the reason for it would be to get a piece back with either more years of control or to fill another team need in 2019.
At this point I really don't have any feel for how the Sox view Swihart as a player and how they are going to get him playing time. The media and some fans tried to create this notion that putting Swihart in the outfield somehow ruined his career to this point. Well I disagreed completely against that. Swihart suffered a really bad injury making a baseball play in the outfield and crashed into the wall.
Up until this point there was no one to blame for Swihart's career being sidetracked imo.
NOW however the Sox are to blame for Swihart not getting playing time and ruining his potential somewhere. They're in a bad spot where he can't get playing time because he's worse than anyone he would sub in for and the subs are are better at their roles than Swihart would be. For instance, Moreland is a much more dependable guy at 1B when Martinez goes to the outfield. Leon is much better at catching behind the plate. Lin, Holt, and Nunez are much better backup and regular infielders. I would argue that he should be getting all the reps in the backup outfield spot, but the Sox are dead set in getting Martinez playing time there for whatever reason to keep their best hitter from being frustrated over it (it's clearly a issue for Martinez to just be a DH). So Swihart isn't even getting much time in there either.
There's literally no playing time for Swihart unless the Sox find a injury at the catching position or 2 injuries in the outfield currently.
I think a trade of Swihart probably has to give sooner rather than later, because at this pace with no major injuries, Swihart is currently projected to have around 150-200 plate appearances over the course of this season if the Sox kept him here. That is a waste.
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Post by jdb on May 10, 2018 20:59:21 GMT -5
Thinking out loud could Swihart fetch a comp pick?
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Post by bosox on May 10, 2018 21:32:36 GMT -5
Appears that Wieters left the game tonight with a knee problem. Depending on how bad the injury is, the Nationals may be looking for a catcher. Something has to give with Swihart at some point.
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