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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 5, 2018 13:12:42 GMT -5
Sox coming back up shortly.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 5, 2018 13:14:55 GMT -5
Anyone who suggests "draft pick X could replace major leaguer Y" should have to write on the chalkboard 100 times "That's not how this works. That's not how this works. That's not how this works."
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Post by ianrs on Jun 5, 2018 13:15:34 GMT -5
If a guy has a 70/70 slider/fastball combo, why wouldn't you try to develop a 3rd pitch with him? If he develops a decent change and/or curve ball that guy could be a really good starting pitcher. I mean, I know it's probably his size/frame and how his body projects etc etc etc. Even if all he is to the Sox is a reliever they're often developed as starter so it will be interesting to see if they actually would fast track a guy or take their time developing him. In theory, yes. But usually, its rare to get a guy like that to transition to starting successfully. I think of it kind of like a sprinter versus an endurance runner. Usually, you are good at one and not so great at the other. Sprinters might be amazing at short distances, but struggle considerably to keep up in a Boston Marathon (starting). Kind of a silly analogy, but different body types are best suited for different roles.
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Post by lennsakata on Jun 5, 2018 13:17:42 GMT -5
Guessing we'll go a bit off radar here, if not, would love Austin Becker or Pipkin here...
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 5, 2018 13:17:49 GMT -5
Callis said this kid could b in majors fast If Feltman can contribute in any meaningful way this year and is in the bullpen next year, this would be a homerun pick for a 3rd rounder. I think we should pump the brakes on him helping out at all this year and even next year. That would certainly be best case scenario but I don't see it plausible to call up a kid just drafted and throwing him in the middle of a pennant race. I also I don't want to see another Craig Hansen situation on our hands, who knows if he could have become a viable bullpen piece had they not rushed him. Let's let this kid have some time to develop without the pressure of reaching the big leagues ASAP and see what he can become.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 5, 2018 13:19:32 GMT -5
Sox take Kentucky catcher Kole Cottam.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 5, 2018 13:19:55 GMT -5
Ranked #322 by Perfect Game and #361 by BA.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 5, 2018 13:20:38 GMT -5
BA write-up:
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Post by cotuitfan on Jun 5, 2018 13:21:42 GMT -5
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Post by Costigan on Jun 5, 2018 13:23:35 GMT -5
Wore number 13 due to 13 surgeries he had to his right eye, hard not to root for someone like that.
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Post by The Town Sports Cards on Jun 5, 2018 13:23:43 GMT -5
So I'm sensing a theme here....
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Post by jbuttah on Jun 5, 2018 13:26:35 GMT -5
If Feltman can contribute in any meaningful way this year and is in the bullpen next year, this would be a homerun pick for a 3rd rounder. I think we should pump the brakes on him helping out at all this year and even next year. That would certainly be best case scenario but I don't see it plausible to call up a kid just drafted and throwing him in the middle of a pennant race. I also I don't want to see another Craig Hansen situation on our hands, who knows if he could have become a viable bullpen piece had they not rushed him. Let's let this kid have some time to develop without the pressure of reaching the big leagues ASAP and see what he can become. Kinda my point.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 5, 2018 13:27:07 GMT -5
Cottam was another guy that was at Fenway this week.
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Post by scotian1 on Jun 5, 2018 13:28:28 GMT -5
That is some story and obviously makes this young man someone to cheer for. Hopefully he can recapture some of his defensive skills as the analysts are saying at the moment they don't see him as an everyday catcher.
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Post by The Town Sports Cards on Jun 5, 2018 13:29:53 GMT -5
Seems like MLB/BA/PG had Cottam ranked MUCH lower than his 130 pick (unranked/361/322), possible below slot signing to make a bigger splash later? Or just a matter of the Sox seeing a lot more in his bat than other Orgs?
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Post by azblue on Jun 5, 2018 13:31:37 GMT -5
Cottam--Possible well below slot sign?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 5, 2018 13:37:25 GMT -5
If a guy has a 70/70 slider/fastball combo, why wouldn't you try to develop a 3rd pitch with him? If he develops a decent change and/or curve ball that guy could be a really good starting pitcher. I mean, I know it's probably his size/frame and how his body projects etc etc etc. Even if all he is to the Sox is a reliever they're often developed as starter so it will be interesting to see if they actually would fast track a guy or take their time developing him. Frame as you mention and you have to figure its a 70/70 combo over 15-20 pitches...over 6-7 innings or 100 pitches they're probably 55/60 or considerably less effective. I remember watching Pappelbon throw semi flat 92-93 as a starter and then pumping up to 96-97 with life in his one inning stints as a closer Go watch the video Sox Scout (@redsoxstats) posted on Twitter. That is very, very clearly a reliever. If they try to make him a starter I'll be puzzled. And yeah, this feels like a below-slot pick. Save $50-100k to use later.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 5, 2018 13:38:53 GMT -5
Yeah there is consensus among the scouting community that he is a reliever all the way
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Post by ramireja on Jun 5, 2018 13:41:30 GMT -5
Seems like MLB/BA/PG had Cottam ranked MUCH lower than his 130 pick (unranked/361/322), possible below slot signing to make a bigger splash later? Or just a matter of the Sox seeing a lot more in his bat than other Orgs? Ehh....we've never really seen the Sox go well below slot on a college junior in these rounds. Could be slightly below, but I doubt enough to make a big splash. I lean toward siding with the latter of your possibilities.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 5, 2018 13:42:19 GMT -5
Honestly I'll be happy enough with 1 more top 200 guy and then the rest be signability guys and hopefully 1 top 200 guy on the third day as a potential sign with any overage.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 5, 2018 13:42:51 GMT -5
Every year people talk about well below slot and it often doesn't seem to work out that way.
Casas and Decker slightly overslot per the Fangraphs guys. Looking at slot money and past precedent, wouldn't be surprised with a 600K HS, 250K NCAA, 150K HS, then 3 5k guys.
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Post by The Town Sports Cards on Jun 5, 2018 13:47:32 GMT -5
Every year people talk about well below slot and it often doesn't seem to work out that way.
Casas and Decker slightly overslot per the Fangraphs guys. Looking at slot money and past precedent, wouldn't be surprised with a 600K HS, 250K NCAA, 150K HS, then 3 5k guys. Yea unfortunately (fortunately?) we're long past the days of signing 23rd Rd Picks to $700K offers like Drake Britton back in 2007
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Post by awall on Jun 5, 2018 13:50:27 GMT -5
oh, wow. that's a hell of a kid to root for indeed.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 5, 2018 13:51:01 GMT -5
Not real wild about the 4th pick but love the first 3 picks so hard to complain.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 5, 2018 13:52:35 GMT -5
Seems like MLB/BA/PG had Cottam ranked MUCH lower than his 130 pick (unranked/361/322), possible below slot signing to make a bigger splash later? Or just a matter of the Sox seeing a lot more in his bat than other Orgs? Ehh....we've never really seen the Sox go well below slot on a college junior in these rounds. Could be slightly below, but I doubt enough to make a big splash. I lean toward siding with the latter of your possibilities. They saved over $100k on Netzer and Thompson's combined underslot bonuses in rounds 3 and 4 last year. Not saying Cottam will get $5k, but it's not crazy to hope they'll save $50-$100k on him.
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