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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 11, 2018 6:08:04 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 11, 2018 7:24:32 GMT -5
lol, you have nothing for during a linger ?
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Post by Addam603 on Jun 11, 2018 8:16:00 GMT -5
Thompson has gone at least 6 innings in each of his last four starts. In three of them, he’s let up 2 ER or less.
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Post by Costigan on Jun 11, 2018 8:33:42 GMT -5
Thompson has gone at least 6 innings in each of his last four starts. In three of them, he’s let up 2 ER or less. I've been looking forward to his starts of late. Hoping for a Portland call up down the line so I can see him live.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 11, 2018 8:37:07 GMT -5
I thought Salem was aggressive for him this year so it's nice to see him building into success. Unless he really takes off I'd keep him there. Maybe a couple starts in August to get his feet wet.
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Post by manfred on Jun 11, 2018 10:56:19 GMT -5
I get the tax implications etc. but are there no scenarios that see Rusney get back to the bigs? This seems cruel. I mean, I’ll sit in the minors for $10 million, so I’m not crying... but there is something wrong with a system that prevents a potentially exciting player from playing.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 11, 2018 12:25:33 GMT -5
SSS I know, but damn boy I'm excited about Antoni Flores feel for the strike zone. 5 Walks and 2 Ks? And the scouting report to go with? From Jesse Sanchez at MLB Pipeline
You got my full attention son!
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 11, 2018 12:29:38 GMT -5
SSS I know, but damn boy I'm excited about Antoni Flores feel for the strike zone. 5 Walks and 2 Ks? And the scouting report to go with? From Jesse Sanchez at MLB Pipeline You got my full attention son! Wow, SSS AND DSL stats. You are really reaching for something to get excited about.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 11, 2018 12:34:11 GMT -5
SSS I know, but damn boy I'm excited about Antoni Flores feel for the strike zone. 5 Walks and 2 Ks? And the scouting report to go with? From Jesse Sanchez at MLB Pipeline You got my full attention son! Wow, SSS AND DSL stats. You are really reaching for something to get excited about. I NEED SOMETHING TO GET EXCITED ABOUT!!!!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 11, 2018 14:48:47 GMT -5
I get the tax implications etc. but are there no scenarios that see Rusney get back to the bigs? This seems cruel. I mean, I’ll sit in the minors for $10 million, so I’m not crying... but there is something wrong with a system that prevents a potentially exciting player from playing. When the new CBA added a new provision that outrighting a player does not remove their contract from the CBT calculation, it basically ended any chance he had of coming up. The problem is that his contract IS kind of an albatross if all he is is a 4th outfielder, which is all his prior MLB performance has shown him to be. If you could outright his contract off the CBT calculation, then you'd have a lot less risk to see if he has, in fact, improved. The way it is now, even a team with CBT space would have to REALLY believe in him as an MLB starter-level contributor to acquire him. FWIW, his CBT number is 10.35M, I think (I assume 2014 counts as a full year but I'm only 90% certain that's how it works). What they really needed to do was grandfather contracts signed prior to the new CBA out of this new provision. Unfortunately for Rusney, they didn't.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 11, 2018 15:04:20 GMT -5
I get the tax implications etc. but are there no scenarios that see Rusney get back to the bigs? This seems cruel. I mean, I’ll sit in the minors for $10 million, so I’m not crying... but there is something wrong with a system that prevents a potentially exciting player from playing. When the new CBA added a new provision that outrighting a player does not remove their contract from the CBT calculation, it basically ended any chance he had of coming up. The problem is that his contract IS kind of an albatross if all he is is a 4th outfielder, which is all his prior MLB performance has shown him to be. If you could outright his contract off the CBT calculation, then you'd have a lot less risk to see if he has, in fact, improved. The way it is now, even a team with CBT space would have to REALLY believe in him as an MLB starter-level contributor to acquire him. FWIW, his CBT number is 10.35M, I think (I assume 2014 counts as a full year but I'm only 90% certain that's how it works). What they really needed to do was grandfather contracts signed prior to the new CBA out of this new provision. Unfortunately for Rusney, they didn't. Plus, for the Red Sox to trade him anywhere, they'd probably have to pick up some salary, which would then be added to the CBT calculation, making it a non-starter. He literally will have to opt-out of his contract to get back to the majors I'm afraid. It sucks, and I wish the league would do something about it. But the league isn't ever going to do the Red Sox any favors.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 11, 2018 15:12:07 GMT -5
I'll just point out that the San Francisco Giants are above .500 and 2.5 games out of first place while getting -0.6 WAR from the center field position. Castillo, who is something like a 1.5 WAR player is worth more than $11 million to them even before you factor in that a marginal win would be worth more to them than it would be to most teams.
The Red Sox probably trade him for a lottery ticket, so the Giants are stubborn, cheap, dumb, or some combination of the three.
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Post by widewordofsport on Jun 11, 2018 15:19:33 GMT -5
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Post by widewordofsport on Jun 11, 2018 15:27:14 GMT -5
As a FA with no track record, Rusney got $70 million. With his AAA track record, you'd think a team would take a shot with his current contract (1.5 years for $16 million... though there's an opt-out after 2019 apparently) if he was a FA? He's 3 years of AAA training away from his last real MLB experience. Can you renegotiate him to promise to opt-out?
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 11, 2018 15:27:51 GMT -5
I'll just point out that the San Francisco Giants are above .500 and 2.5 games out of first place while getting -0.6 WAR from the center field position. Castillo, who is something like a 1.5 WAR player is worth more than $11 million to them even before you factor in that a marginal win would be worth more to them than it would be to most teams. The Red Sox probably trade him for a lottery ticket, so the Giants are stubborn, cheap, dumb, or some combination of the three. That makes sense, but they probably don't value him like that for more than this season. Maybe that's why they balk at it.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 11, 2018 15:32:29 GMT -5
As a FA with no track record, Rusney got $70 million. With his AAA track record, you'd think a team would take a shot with his current contract (1.5 years for $16 million... though there's an opt-out after 2019 apparently) if he was a FA? He's 3 years of AAA training away from his last real MLB experience. Can you renegotiate him to promise to opt-out? I agree with this some, but it's important to note that the guy who gave him $70 million got fired for it.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 11, 2018 15:32:46 GMT -5
So if the Sox kick in some salary for SF - to hopefully get a better prospect - does that count as part of the luxury tax? I would assume not since he's not part of that calculation now, but it's worth asking. Why not pay 1/2 his salary to get him to an NL that could use him and get a half decent prospect in return? Or at least a better prospect in return? Maybe there is just no real interest?
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 11, 2018 15:33:53 GMT -5
So if the Sox kick in some salary for SF - to hopefully get a better prospect - does that count as part of the luxury tax? I would assume not since he's not part of that calculation now, but it's worth asking. Why not pay 1/2 his salary to get him to an NL that could use him and get a half decent prospect in return? Or at least a better prospect in return? Maybe there is just no real interest? As I understand, it would count against the tax, as it would if they were to outright release him.
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Post by Addam603 on Jun 11, 2018 15:43:43 GMT -5
Wonder what the countermove is. Rotation is full.
Ask and you shall receive. Kind of.
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Post by widewordofsport on Jun 11, 2018 15:48:20 GMT -5
How there isn't a grievance (whether it would work or not) is surprising. Its borderline cruel as much as you could consider giving someone $70 million cruel... his prime will be gone before he's a FA.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 11, 2018 15:55:34 GMT -5
So if the Sox kick in some salary for SF - to hopefully get a better prospect - does that count as part of the luxury tax? I would assume not since he's not part of that calculation now, but it's worth asking. Why not pay 1/2 his salary to get him to an NL that could use him and get a half decent prospect in return? Or at least a better prospect in return? Maybe there is just no real interest? As I understand, it would count against the tax, as it would if they were to outright release him. That would seem to be the real hang up, then.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 11, 2018 15:55:35 GMT -5
How there isn't a grievance (whether it would work or not) is surprising. Its borderline cruel as much as you could consider giving someone $70 million cruel... his prime will be gone before he's a FA. Yeah I'm going to the player's association if I'm Rusney and seeing how they can make a exception so he isn't forced to be playing AAA baseball anymore.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 11, 2018 16:03:17 GMT -5
Salem moves: RHP Roniel Raudes placed on 7-Day DL. RHP Joan Martinez activated from 7-Day DL. RHP Taylor Ahearn sent to Low-A Greenville. LHP Jhonathan Diaz received from Low-A Greenville.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 11, 2018 16:13:26 GMT -5
How there isn't a grievance (whether it would work or not) is surprising. Its borderline cruel as much as you could consider giving someone $70 million cruel... his prime will be gone before he's a FA. Yeah I'm going to the player's association if I'm Rusney and seeing how they can make a exception so he isn't forced to be playing AAA baseball anymore. The problem is that the argument literally starts with "Because I'm not worth my salary..." That's just a hard argument to make, especially a guy who had only been "kind of good" in AAA if you look at his numbers - it's not like he's OPS-ing over 1.000 and setting the world on fire. If a major league team thought him worth the money, he would be in the majors. The union doesn't have much incentive to set a precedent of ending contracts early because the player was not worth the money, even if it's because the player also wants out. He got significant run of playing time in 2015. In 80 games, he was basically replacement level (.1 WAR) per Fangraphs and worth .8 WAR on B-Ref, although that's tied up entirely in his defense, which makes me a shade skeptical. Keep in mind, he's posting a .780-ish OPS in AAA right now. He's performing worse than he did last year with a higher BABIP. As far as I'm concerned, he hasn't proven he's better than an up-and-down guy anyway. Remember, he's been Rule 5 eligible and gone undrafted.
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Post by jchang on Jun 11, 2018 16:20:58 GMT -5
Could the Redsox buyout the remainder of his contract for say $12M, in exchange for a new contract of 3 years at 5M/yr, or whatever numbers to make it a wash or moderate discount?
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