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7/7 Gameday Thread: They made Drew go to rehab, yeah, yeah
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Post by soxfan511 on Jul 7, 2018 20:49:48 GMT -5
Dalbec with yet another towering bomb number 19! Promote that man to AA! I better see him in a top 100 prospect list. He has three plus tools including plus plus power! He's got Joey Gallo type power Seriously, who cares if if he's in the top 100 or not? It doesn't make him more or less likely to make it to the bigs. The problem is that he strikes WAY too much right now. If he finishes strong with reduced K's maybe he's top 100. If he's back and forth with still a high K rate, he's likely not a top 100 prospect. But so what? His strikeout rate is down nearly 10 percent from last year, his walk rate is much better, he has a good OPS, I think he leads the league in home runs and doubles and knocks in a lot of runs... I think making the top 100 prospect list is a big deal, it certainly ups your value as a trade chip. You become recognized across the entire league |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 7, 2018 20:51:26 GMT -5
Seriously, who cares if if he's in the top 100 or not? It doesn't make him more or less likely to make it to the bigs. The problem is that he strikes WAY too much right now. If he finishes strong with reduced K's maybe he's top 100. If he's back and forth with still a high K rate, he's likely not a top 100 prospect. But so what? His strikeout rate is down nearly 10 percent from last year, his walk rate is much better, he has a good OPS, I think he leads the league in home runs and doubles and knocks in a lot of runs... I think making the top 100 prospect list is a big deal, it certainly ups your value as a trade chip. You become recognized across the entire league Organizations don't make evaluations based off of top 100 lists. It doesn't enhance anything. |
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 7, 2018 20:52:35 GMT -5
Seriously, who cares if if he's in the top 100 or not? It doesn't make him more or less likely to make it to the bigs. The problem is that he strikes WAY too much right now. If he finishes strong with reduced K's maybe he's top 100. If he's back and forth with still a high K rate, he's likely not a top 100 prospect. But so what? His strikeout rate is down nearly 10 percent from last year, his walk rate is much better, he has a good OPS, I think he leads the league in home runs and doubles and knocks in a lot of runs... I think making the top 100 prospect list is a big deal, it certainly ups your value as a trade chip. You become recognized across the entire league Scouts & organizations don't just follow top 100 lists and go off that. They actually scout. And opinions differ. some will love for his power, other have serious questions due to his swing and miss. I like him. But you have to be realistic. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 7, 2018 21:04:05 GMT -5
To me, the Pomeranz issue is exactly the fastball. Because it's a high spin rate fastball (so called rising FB), he throws it up in the zone not at curve level. Slower means hitters can catch up to it.
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Post by soxfan511 on Jul 7, 2018 21:04:27 GMT -5
His strikeout rate is down nearly 10 percent from last year, his walk rate is much better, he has a good OPS, I think he leads the league in home runs and doubles and knocks in a lot of runs... I think making the top 100 prospect list is a big deal, it certainly ups your value as a trade chip. You become recognized across the entire league Scouts & organizations don't just follow top 100 lists and go off that. They actually scout. And opinions differ. some will love for his power, other have serious questions due to his swing and miss. I like him. But you have to be realistic. All I'm saying is it would nice for the Red Sox farm system to be recognized again as having some of the most talented minor leaguers in their system, like back in 2015. Dalbec making the top 100 list with groome and Chavis looks good I think when this seasons over, Dalbec will get his due respect. His numbers are impressive in a difficult league |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 7, 2018 21:06:05 GMT -5
To me, the Pomeranz issue is exactly the fastball. Because it's a high spin rate fastball (so called rising FB), he throws it up in the zone not at curve level. Slower means hitters can catch up to it. Yeap. Until he shows results with a poor fastball, I'll believe it when I see it. |
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Post by benjgc on Jul 7, 2018 21:10:01 GMT -5
Dalbec with yet another towering bomb number 19! Promote that man to AA! I better see him in a top 100 prospect list. He has three plus tools including plus plus power! He's got Joey Gallo type power I think with Phillips entering the system to play 3B, and Chavis heading back to Portland, it gives Dalbec time to work through some of his focus areas here down in Salem without the pressure of being moved up. The most important thing right now is that he's playing a full season; he's appeared in five fewer games this year than he did all of 2017. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 7, 2018 21:28:42 GMT -5
Dalbec with yet another towering bomb number 19! Promote that man to AA! I better see him in a top 100 prospect list. He has three plus tools including plus plus power! He's got Joey Gallo type power I think with Phillips entering the system to play 3B, and Chavis heading back to Portland, it gives Dalbec time to work through some of his focus areas here down in Salem without the pressure of being moved up. The most important thing right now is that he's playing a full season; he's appeared in five fewer games this year than he did all of 2017. Agree in general but do you really believe Phillips is here to play 3B other than backup ? He's a right handed batting second baseman and the Sox have a negative WAR right handed batting second baseman. |
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Post by benjgc on Jul 7, 2018 21:51:37 GMT -5
I think with Phillips entering the system to play 3B, and Chavis heading back to Portland, it gives Dalbec time to work through some of his focus areas here down in Salem without the pressure of being moved up. The most important thing right now is that he's playing a full season; he's appeared in five fewer games this year than he did all of 2017. Agree in general but do you really believe Phillips is here to play 3B other than backup ? He's a right handed batting second baseman and the Sox have a negative WAR right handed batting second baseman. I think if the Red Sox want him to be a viable backup at 3B, they'll need to let him get some reps in the minors. I don't see Chavis getting moved to Pawtucket very soon, which would mean a promotion to Portland for Dalbec would leave the two of them vying for playing time. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 7, 2018 22:26:23 GMT -5
Agree in general but do you really believe Phillips is here to play 3B other than backup ? He's a right handed batting second baseman and the Sox have a negative WAR right handed batting second baseman. I think if the Red Sox want him to be a viable backup at 3B, they'll need to let him get some reps in the minors. I don't see Chavis getting moved to Pawtucket very soon, which would mean a promotion to Portland for Dalbec would leave the two of them vying for playing time. Phillips has a mid July opt out and hasn't played his natural position since last year. I don't think Phillips will affect Dalbec. On the other hand Dalbec because of his injury history, could use a full season at Salem there's no compelling reason to hurry there. |
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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on Jul 7, 2018 22:46:24 GMT -5
To me, the Pomeranz issue is exactly the fastball. Because it's a high spin rate fastball (so called rising FB), he throws it up in the zone not at curve level. Slower means hitters can catch up to it. DP has never been a high velocity fastball guy. He’s made his living off that curve. If he can’t command it... trouble. If his fastball is 90-92, as it was tonight, that’s doable. But command of his curve and a few cutters is key to his performance. |
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Post by cdj on Jul 8, 2018 4:05:14 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, when looking at the pitch data on Pomeranz’s curveball I was unpleasantly surprised when compared to previous years. He’s obviously having trouble locating it but it hasn’t been as sharp this year. He’s throwing it softer than he ever did (makes sense w his FB being down for the most part too) and the pitch actually moves more than it used to....but I wonder if it’s more loopy at the lower velocity because at least check batters were hitting .400 off of it and slugging over .500 while swinging and missing at a much lesser clip
I found the tweet by redsoxstats. I’ll try and embed it. Go easy on me I’m not used to this yet
Edit: I’m on my phone and it won’t let me but if you type redsoxstats pomeranz into twitter search you’ll see the table from 5/31 pretty quickly. Interesting stuff
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 8, 2018 4:57:28 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, when looking at the pitch data on Pomeranz’s curveball I was unpleasantly surprised when compared to previous years. He’s obviously having trouble locating it but it hasn’t been as sharp this year. He’s throwing it softer than he ever did (makes sense w his FB being down for the most part too) and the pitch actually moves more than it used to....but I wonder if it’s more loopy at the lower velocity because at least check batters were hitting .400 off of it and slugging over .500 while swinging and missing at a much lesser clip I found the tweet by redsoxstats. I’ll try and embed it. Go easy on me I’m not used to this yet Edit: I’m on my phone and it won’t let me but if you type redsoxstats pomeranz into twitter search you’ll see the table from 5/31 pretty quickly. Interesting stuff |
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Post by cdj on Jul 8, 2018 5:11:44 GMT -5
Thank you I appreciate it!
Basically everything has ticked down. I wonder if his arm is just kind of shot from the issues he’s dealt with
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Post by soxin8 on Jul 8, 2018 9:50:03 GMT -5
Mr Chavis and I made the short trip from Norwich to Hartford (in seperate cars) for Saturday night's game. He and the other Sea Dogs had a great deal of trouble dealing with Garcia who touched 94 and also got outs with a change and curve. Michael k'd 3 times swinging at off speed pitches and took a fastball from Pierpont for a called strike 3 in the 9th.
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Post by soxin8 on Jul 8, 2018 9:55:12 GMT -5
Ockimey's double was a line drive that one hopped the fence down the right field line. Renda had the best at-bats of the night. Besides a line single to right center off of 93, he scorched a low line drive that was caught by the shortstop and a drive to right that Carrizales made a leaping catch at the wall.
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Post by soxin8 on Jul 8, 2018 10:03:37 GMT -5
I didn't know anything about Kent so my first thought was "Why is he starting the game with an 84 mph change?" Matt had one pitch register 89 and one at 88 all night. His pitches, however, have exceptional movement down and away in the zone and Hartford had trouble squaring him up. He left one fastball up to Hilliard in the first that was hit hard for an rbi double, then was really unlucky on a bloop down the right field line that Renda just missed for a two run single.
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Post by soxin8 on Jul 8, 2018 10:17:36 GMT -5
After battling through the first throwing 33 pitches, I would not have expected him to finish 6 innings. The only other run came in the fourth. Wall started with a slow roller to short that Rivera had trouble getting out of his glove. He eventually scored on a two out fisted single to center by Jones. All 4 strikeouts by Kent were on fastballs, 3 swinging. He also got inside on the righthanders breaking a couple bats including Rogers.
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Post by soxin8 on Jul 8, 2018 10:29:13 GMT -5
I also hadn't seen Kelley before, a sidearming righthander that steps toward 3rd and throws across his body. I was surprised he could throw 91 with that motion (with one pitch flashing 93) He made Jones look bad swinging on a curve breaking low and away. Lakins threw everything hard. Against the first batter he faced, the stadium gun showed an 88,89,94,92,91 and 93 ground out to first. His other fourteen pitches registered 92 to 95 with the last pitch at 96, a swinging strikeout of Carrizales.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 8, 2018 21:49:09 GMT -5
1) I think folks are reacting too much to what's almost certainly a velo from the stadium gun. Never worry too much about the stadium gun. Maybe that's where Pomeranz is, maybe it isn't, but stadium gun velo readings are nearly worthless in the minors, imo.
2) With everyone else on the top 100 thing. Literally doesn't matter in the slightest to MLB organizations.
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